NickRiddle
#negativeNick
And then you get the grab miss-box and die for it.
2012 ZSS
2012 ZSS
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Match-up Discussions: Ice Climbers
- Thread starter Supermodel From Paris
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#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
After bair I bair again
bair why 2013
bair why 2013
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
2013 is the year of paralyzer
You heard it here first
Paralyzer is a completely broken move. It's 100% safe, forces a reaction, has advantage on shield at close range, and most importantly, doesn't place the guy hit into an aerial state.
There are very, very few moves in Brawl that don't launch into the air for a brief second after they're hit. Ledge slip silliness is only the beginning.
So many possibilities.
You heard it here first
Paralyzer is a completely broken move. It's 100% safe, forces a reaction, has advantage on shield at close range, and most importantly, doesn't place the guy hit into an aerial state.
There are very, very few moves in Brawl that don't launch into the air for a brief second after they're hit. Ledge slip silliness is only the beginning.
So many possibilities.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Pretty sure this isn't true. How close are we talkin?
quiKsilverItaly
Smash Journeyman
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i just started to use it more, but aren't you distending it?
it isn't 100% safe, when the enemy powershields it and he got near enough to you.
there are also some moves, that eat up her paralyzer. if metaknight approaches with nado and zss uses paralyzer at the same time, zss gets easily hit.
the start lag is also big, zss needs always to be careful, when she uses it (for example the enemy can rush into you, before the gun wasn't used).
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Err.. I actually meant long range. I dunno, I had a brain fart when typing it.
I think if it's far enough away you get +1 for baby or +2 for charged. Salem actually uses this a lot, he did grab after will blocked a fully charged paralyzer once in a match vs Will.
My bad.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Tuen once posted about fully charged paralyzer > grab on shield being true combo at longer ranges
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Yeah but he said the laser has to hit their shield on the very last frame that it's out.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Well, there are actually some situations that you can guarantee this, such as in a reset situation at range. Also, you don't need the full advantage to get the grab so it's not a frame perfect situation.
blacktwins13
Smash Journeyman
I agree with delux and paris on this quote in most parts. the cg on :zss: is weird for me when ever i do either f-throw/b-throw, d-throw/b-throw but there's one throw that's an exception to her being cg'd. now idk what you guys consider of the consectutive f throw like how me or myollnir does it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXELThrL7vE#t=27s) I personally think f-throw is pretty much the same frame rate for most if not all the characters and the easiest to do, but even if it the frame rate for constant f throw is different for each character; its not by a huge margin either (or unless spacing is dependent on the grab) i could be wrong in this part due to not alot of exp with :zss: and im sure V115 would say vice-versa ( <Feel free to correct me on this V) but i say that using f throw is the same for all mu's
Now for how the other throws are like: I agree delux has a point in the cg sort of feeling like mk but i disagree to it being it similar to
i feel its more of 
or a replacing in that partas for the mu, i'd like to say its even if both sides know the mu, but im gonna agree to it being +1 :zss: because of armor pieces (up-tilt/up-air dismantles our side-b) and +1 for
if we can get rid of the armor pieces quickly without too much damage taken and space ourselves when when approaching carefully.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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It's definitely not similar in timing to Lucas which I never said in the post
Although the wonky hurtbox animation on bthrow stuff is actually pretty similar.
FYI Fthrow timing is the same for every character, but spacing is going to be different based on hurtbox in throw animation.
Although the wonky hurtbox animation on bthrow stuff is actually pretty similar.
FYI Fthrow timing is the same for every character, but spacing is going to be different based on hurtbox in throw animation.