Fair enough Echo about DSF, as many have said hes all over a SSBM approach to the character, for better or worse. To be fair he does a better job IMO in the non Gimpy matches, but gimpy is also generally seen as the best competition we have good olimers playing against. Not only is MK somewhat of a Oli counter but gimpy has been all over brawl since the start, and has the same sort of high natural ability we talked about with M2K. If nothing else he is able to read a particular situation amazingly well, watching just the 4 game series between DSF and him the First Time in the Winners final not grand final.
(This Paragraph is what i saw in the DSF/Gimpy winners series, in short, but unnecessary to read)
DSF wins the first game, having a little more trouble seemingly each life. Gimpy IMO picked delfino as a counter pick to olimar specifically, as the ground is often broken up and compared to most characters Olimar doesn't have the same recovery options on that stage. Anyway the terrain and Gimpy starting to see DSF's necessity for central positioning led to more recovery for DSF, and Gimpy late got the idea of ledge hogging being specifically important. The third game is then DSFs pick and logically goes FD, big ish flat plenty of positives for olimar there. By this point though Gimpys worked through DSF's weaknesses, and uses each when its presented, fourth game Gimpy having gained total momentum... still not sure why he'd repick FD but maybe they let loser always choose or whatever, back to FD Gimpy is then able to force situations where DSF is at the disadvantage, resulting in the two quick gimps without dying and DSF's forfeit.
So Gimpy is really good at seeing the game as he flat out shows in that series, if he had read about olimars recovery he woulda been trying to abuse it since the first game, instead we can literally watch him as he learns and adapts, which then forces DSF to adapt and he is unable to. I know there will be ways to make that adaptation, and I'm sure DSF is good enough to adapt, simply not mid series like Gimpy. At the same time though, we as the closest thing to olimar experts there is, should see the adaptation needed, and I'm not positive entirely what can be done. I mean I know DSF should fight harder for the central positioning, i wrote about it in the olimar recovery thread, but I guess what else do you see Echo? His fighting style has proven about as effective as yours, so I'm not sure the small style differences such as which of you favors upsmash instead of Fair etc would be the difference here. So i guess I disagree somewhat, I don't feel that DSF played TOO poorly against Gimpy compared to his normal style, and also I think his normal style is probably 85% ish of yours. Granted the games i have to compare are old for both of you, who knows what sick skills you both have developed in the past couple weeks.
(end my detailed supported argument for what i see in the Gimpy vs DSF series)
I guess my point with the series though is what i put in the Video thread, a great example of the struggles Olimar mains are going to have to overcome. DSF seemed to show good positioning prior to the gimpy series, but gimpy was able to take him out of his control zone and push him to make the mistakes he did. If as an Olimar main you let that happen, your going to suddenly find yourself gimped and three stocked, and Gimpy's MK was able to point it out with huge flashing lights. I wondered if once M2K saw that if he would change his opinion any, trusting that he knows the options a little better than me whos still not been lucky enough to control the little captain.
I'm glad Echo thinks that DSF did poorly though, it hints that he has had much more success at overcoming the recovery shortcomings, or has not played anyone who put the kind or pressure on Gimpy did. If you could elaborate on one thing though Echo, I believe I know what you mean about being careful, if you think I don't feel free to explain that too, but what do you mean/see as options for being clever? Even on the boards over a few weeks the thread about it only produced the 3 simple options, none of which are particularly unexpected or clever (PPikmin throw then recover, using UpB's little rise to make small gaps, and aerials then chain if close enough) Thanks in advance, and as always looking forward to any new videos you've got, its been a while and I wanna be awed again =P
-True
P.S. @ Colenstien, Wiseguy, and Super Nostalgic No worries about Oli being top tier, we all know who was here before the masses come, our names are all over these boards =P maybe we should get Egruntz to make another mark of Pikmen joined prior to US release =P
P.P.S. Yigguth that made me laugh out loud, a feat considering how behind on studying/frantically cramming for my microbiology lab midterm practical i am.
