Luigi Able to Cyclone Recovery without 2nd Jump!?

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

I'm having trouble getting anywhere as good a mash compared to just using my thumb. How are you doing it?

I adjust my right hand so that my index and middle fingers are placed on each side of the Y button. Then I alternate fingers to press the button. It's the only way I was able to do it consistently

 

[McZaxon]

I adjust my right hand so that my index and middle fingers are placed on each side of the Y button. Then I alternate fingers to press the button. It's the only way I was able to do it consistently

So do you use your left hand at all? Or is it just your index and middle finger on your right hand?

 

[MonkeyArms]

So do you use your left hand at all? Or is it just your index and middle finger on your right hand?

I just use my index finger.
Because I play the intended way

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

So do you use your left hand at all? Or is it just your index and middle finger on your right hand?

I use my left hand to hold down on the control stick and move left or right. That's about it

 

[jkeezer]

Okay so I only use the cyclone in this manner if im being gimped or if i am trying to spikelone someone, after your left thumb is done hitting "down" bring it over to the B button and mash it &altenate between thumbs. 2 thumbs on one button. It has to be the same button, multi-special inputs do no mash together for some reason. This way works way better for me but the obvious flaw is I cant direct it right or left, but I have my second jump still for that. Double thumbs on B!!

 

[Commander Fresh]

And I'm assuming that not fast falling before the down b is necessary too?

 

[dehvin]

No! He uses two! Check this video out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fBOwLYrUwI

It's VERY hard to see, but at 1:06, when he does his jumpless tornado, he moves his left hand over to mash another button. And you can see him take his hand away as well after the cyclone.

He does it again at 1:46, 3:30, and 4:47!

In the video I showed, he only uses his one finger, but in the ones you showed me, he indeed does move his hand, but it looks like he might be mashing the c stick? Going to test some things out now.

Edit: It seems clicking 2 different buttons to input stop your rise. For example, b + left trigger.

Edit 2: Spamming the C stick up and down has given me higher lift than clicking the buttons for months has. Although you lose your fast smashes.

 

[McZaxon]

In the video I showed, he only uses his one finger, but in the ones you showed me, he indeed does move his hand, but it looks like he might be mashing the c stick? Going to test some things out now.

Edit: It seems clicking 2 different buttons to input stop your rise. For example, b + left trigger.

Edit 2: Spamming the C stick up and down has given me higher lift than clicking the buttons for months has. Although you lose your fast smashes.

I'm going to go ahead and try some of these as well. The C-stick recovery would take some getting used to, but if it works, I'm sticking with it....no pun intended.

 

[McZaxon]

And I'm assuming that not fast falling before the down b is necessary too?

I didn't think you could fast fall when you did the jump-less recovery.

 

[Awakining]

I'd like to weigh in here, actually. I've gotten mild success with the d-pad method, but rather then sliding my finger across the buttons, I mash the center of the pad. Now, I'm no button mashing champ, but with this method I can maintain altitude, at least, with much less effort required.

 

[pato_]

So, I managed to do this which to me was pretty cool since I did a dair by accident and I still managed to get really high, notice I still had the second jump at the end of the tornado:

(in case you can't see the embedded gif http://gfycat.com/PerfectQueasyFlies )

I did this my sliding my fingernail on the b button instead of mashing, I can change the position of my hand pretty quickly from a standard grip to this but I still have to practice to get it more consistent, I have no trouble if I'm expecting to do a tornado but if I do it by accident well...not cool haha

Edit: I should probably upload the video since it sounds as if I'm pressing the button 1000 times a second this was done on a gamecube controller by the way but I have no problem doing it with any of the others, I've been doing this kind of mashing since that tiny toones olympics game on the snes

 

[Commander Fresh]

I didn't think you could fast fall when you did the jump-less recovery.

Tilting the stick down all the way will have you doing a fast fall as the tornado starts. Of course, that makes the almost impossible recovery infinitely harder too.

 

[Commander Fresh]

So, I managed to do this which to me was pretty cool since I did a dair by accident and I still managed to get really high, notice I still had the second jump at the end of the tornado:

(in case you can't see the embedded gif http://gfycat.com/PerfectQueasyFlies )

I did this my sliding my fingernail on the b button instead of mashing, I can change the position of my hand pretty quickly from a standard grip to this but I still have to practice to get it more consistent, I have no trouble if I'm expecting to do a tornado but if I do it by accident well...not cool haha

Edit: I should probably upload the video since it sounds as if I'm pressing the button 1000 times a second this was done on a gamecube controller by the way but I have no problem doing it with any of the others, I've been doing this kind of mashing since that tiny toones olympics game on the snes

So if I understand correctly, you're wiggling your fingernail on the button? Does it ever come off the button, or is it always on? Why would your fingernail be necessary instead of the thumb?

 

[pato_]

So if I understand correctly, you're wiggling your fingernail on the button? Does it ever come off the button, or is it always on? Why would your fingernail be necessary instead of the thumb?

It is more of a slide than a wiggle, I think, I recorded this using an xbox controller but it is the same thing, check it out:
(Oh, and I use my fingernail because I feel it slides easier than the padded area of the finger, but whatever suits you)

link: http://gfycat.com/ObviousDistantGosling

Give it a go, it is way easier than mashing and you can keep your left hand where you normally have it, you just have to find a position that suits you

 

[kobyatchi]

It's possible, Boss has done it before. It just takes practice, as well as a comfortable controller. I can do it pretty well on my Gamecube controller, but on my 2DS it's not as simple.

I didn't know about the fingernail thing, but mashing has always worked for me.

 

[McZaxon]

I gotta give the fingernail thing a try

 

[mmanu]

It actually looks like Boss is using two buttons to mash - the B and either the Y or X, as his index finger is over it while doing the fast twitch motion.

 

[MrTeddyBear]

So, I managed to do this which to me was pretty cool since I did a dair by accident and I still managed to get really high, notice I still had the second jump at the end of the tornado:

(in case you can't see the embedded gif http://gfycat.com/PerfectQueasyFlies )

I did this my sliding my fingernail on the b button instead of mashing, I can change the position of my hand pretty quickly from a standard grip to this but I still have to practice to get it more consistent, I have no trouble if I'm expecting to do a tornado but if I do it by accident well...not cool haha

Edit: I should probably upload the video since it sounds as if I'm pressing the button 1000 times a second this was done on a gamecube controller by the way but I have no problem doing it with any of the others, I've been doing this kind of mashing since that tiny toones olympics game on the snes

I do it the exact same way, nice to see someone else know how effective this is compared to the other options It took me a while to get used to when I first did it a long time ago but when you do it enough it's pretty much muscle memory.

P.S. If you chew your fingernails you're at a disadvantage since this is much easier with fingernails than with the finger itself.

So if I understand correctly, you're wiggling your fingernail on the button? Does it ever come off the button, or is it always on? Why would your fingernail be necessary instead of the thumb?

We slide it back and forth on the button, and yes it comes off the button so that the separate inputs can be read instead of the finger staying on the button (which would make it just one input since the finger is always compressing the button without leaving it). At least for me, it's much easier to do this with any of my fingers (especially the index) besides the pinky and the thumb, because they can move back and forth easier with a more rapid motion, but whichever finger you are comfortable with is fine, as long as you're able to move it fast.

 

[McZaxon]

I adjust my right hand so that my index and middle fingers are placed on each side of the Y button. Then I alternate fingers to press the button. It's the only way I was able to do it consistently

HOLY ****. THIS WORKS. YOU ARE A GIFT FROM GOD. I WOULD KISS YOU RIGHT NOW IF I COULD. WHY HAVE YOU NOT WON A NOBEL PRIZE YET?

I'M SORRY IF I'M TOO HYPED ABOUT THIS, BUT I HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT WORKS. YOU ARE THE GREATEST MAN ON PLANET EARTH.

 

[TriTails]

I did this my sliding my fingernail on the b button instead of mashing, I can change the position of my hand pretty quickly from a standard grip to this but I still have to practice to get it more consistent, I have no trouble if I'm expecting to do a tornado but if I do it by accident well...not cool haha

Hey! This one's works for me! Thanks a lot!

I use the back of my fingernail of my pointer finger, and slide it back and forth on my B button, and presto! Jumpless Cyclone!

Still has to work on muscle memory though. I haven't been able to pull it off consistently yet. But I can confirm this technique works, on a 3DS!

Anyhoo, thanks for the share!

 

[pato_]

Hey! This one's works for me! Thanks a lot!

I use the back of my fingernail of my pointer finger, and slide it back and forth on my B button, and presto! Jumpless Cyclone!

Still has to work on muscle memory though. I haven't been able to pull it off consistently yet. But I can confirm this technique works, on a 3DS!

Anyhoo, thanks for the share!

That's exactly it, good explanation! haha now you can also wreck your friends in Mario Party!

And yes, I've found it works on pretty much any controller, glad it worked for you

 

[McZaxon]

I adjust my right hand so that my index and middle fingers are placed on each side of the Y button. Then I alternate fingers to press the button. It's the only way I was able to do it consistently

Welp nevermind. I THOUGHT it worked, but now it doesn't work anymore! It just stopped working for some reason. I've been trying to figure out what's going on, but I cant find anything I'm doing wrong. I've been trying so hard to do it again, my fingers are literally sore right now.

Oh well. Back to square one!

 

[TriTails]

Try the trick from pato_. While Im still unable yo do it consistently yet, it DOES work. Just try not to get the back of your fingernail on fire .

 

[samuroleon]

Not completely sure how to get that to work with a pro controller. I feel the buttons make it hard to slide it on and off. I'll just stick with trying to get better at mashing

 

[McZaxon]

Try the trick from pato_. While Im still unable yo do it consistently yet, it DOES work. Just try not to get the back of your fingernail on fire .

Haha! xD Well i've gotten both methods to work, its just that they tend to both be inconsistent, at least when I try to use them to spike.

I have a tournament today and i'll probably only use the jumpless cyclone for recovery purposes.

The only problems I have is that with the fingernail method, while it does work, is that I tend to press other buttons before B. So i'll do something like a dair or bair and the do the missile because I've already moved my control stick away from down (if that makes sense). So i've been able to do both, although it'll take some practice to get them down for spiking purposes.

I just hope I can come across a Luigi one day face to face who can do it successfully and he/she can show me their ways. xD

 

[dehvin]

I do it the exact same way, nice to see someone else know how effective this is compared to the other options It took me a while to get used to when I first did it a long time ago but when you do it enough it's pretty much muscle memory.

P.S. If you chew your fingernails you're at a disadvantage since this is much easier with fingernails than with the finger itself.

Rip, back to mashing.

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

Does anyone else have trouble adjusting their fingers to mash when they unexpectedly need to use the jumpless cyclone?

 

[Ndzablou]

Does anyone else have trouble adjusting their fingers to mash when they unexpectedly need to use the jumpless cyclone?

After practicing the cyclone a lot and doing it regularly in tournament, I've gotten used to switching hand positions quite quickly.

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

I need to make jumpless cyclone more of a habit offstage so I can be mentally ready to use it when needed

 

[Kanzaki]

When I need to mash, I change my grip and use my middle finger to mash on B like crazy. It helps that I've been doing this since Melee.

Note: For practice, try one of the "Clicker Games" on your phone

 

[McZaxon]

I need to practice my two finger mashing....its gotten REALLY inconsistant lately. Its so aggrvating...

 

[Luig]

With my testing with the cyclone and with my average mash speed, I can say you need to press a about 12-13 times a second. I can do it pretty consistently, and opponents don't expect you to do it without a jump.

 

[Wtfwasthat]

Been practicing this past week and my thumb is killing me haha.

 

[Yonder]

I hate feel disadvantaged because I cannot master the mash. I have a 3DS, so it's virtually impossible. And I use a GC remote at tourneys...so I just can't do it due to no practice. If I had to choose any method posted here so far, I'd go with the fingernail rubbing one. It has worked for me the best.

Although if I pass my uni courses and survive this semester, I'm treating myself with a Wii U.

 

[MonkeyArms]

Let me say this:
The best way is not to master a gimmicky way of getting the most button presses, but finding which way you mash best with your right hand. If you take some one elses way of doing it, its probably not going to be very consistent. Just find something that is comfortable for you and practice it. (For example, I mash with my index finger because that's how I did it back when I played Mario Party)

 

[Luig]

I mash with my right index and thumb. In mario party I use my left but kinda awkward to do that in the middle of the match.

 

[Ralugi]

I can gain almost all the height off of cyclone at normal speed. I jerk my arm around, and it seems to be working.