Data Lord's Logbook-Lucina User Videos

[LIQUID12A]

Made it's own thread at recommendation of @ Shaya

This thread will serve as the hub for all user submitted Lucina gameplay. You are free to analyze, critique, and discuss any video posted at any given time. Feel free to provide a brief introduction if you plan on challenging fate(or someone else) a few times. You can also add footage not yours, but state properly who it belongs to.

*Note: Please post videos as URLs and not as an embedded link or video. Many people have browsers that lag (and occasionally crash) with embeds, so please avoid this.

IMPORTANT: Pre-patch videos have been spoilered and my section has been refreshed to avoid confusion. Keep on contributing!

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Super Smash Bros. For 3DS Lucina Videos:


@Jtails vs Doom

http://youtu.be/FpX2M6TBUiI

shofu vs False

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ZcWokoGQg

NAKAT vs Nairo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XHvBtki28N4

@ Locuan vs Xtian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMuFb6-YkM4

@ Moydow vs Pineau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwCixKfyQfo

@ Funkermonster vs Lichi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRy5tDw8r5w&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Funkermonster vs n00bla (shaky camera)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhKRfm_MfPI&index=2&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Moydow vs romero01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCDAzUfKRg

@ Funkermonster vs Pleads(?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4aGKtc7RU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Funkermonster vs ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUil_7uhoo&index=1&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Shaya vs Japan players and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me8pn_h75ms#t=117

@ Arya Greyjoy v. "Jaydo"

http://youtu.be/wHfMeHRe380

@ Shaya vs assorted players and and and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0YP-c7HT0

@ Funkermonster vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4wWWdU_au0&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Funkermonster vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES9zvMi3E8c&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ Funkermonster vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3o2NVPPuGU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

@ alandaband vs WndrPa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFvy96w75II&feature=youtu.be

@StarStrike vs CCTANK93

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK9Bo-bdX0w

@ Moydow (Cherche, highlighted) vs. Twan (Tharja) (best bit starts at 1:15)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqtoj9tz3No

@ Moydow vs. Tobias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LXF2nxNMmQ

@ Moydow vs. EB_Benjy (I presume this qualifies for here, since I was playing against a Lucina?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S08pQ2iK13Y

@ Moydow vs. . (yes, his/her name actually was just a full stop)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6UzS_WOuE

@ Moydow vs. Wakk (this is the Hero King?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6dT21-flL4

@Xacer

vs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aVQMBj7eQ
vs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=He9Mkv7iU5A
vs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=11uKW4CUrRc
vs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBcZgWTkLU


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Super Smash Bros. For Wii U Lucina Videos:

@OmegaSorin vs HeroMystic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxQB4NUmLFI

@CherubiKnighT vs ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb7HvaTp7yA

@Duet.

http://youtu.be/1OnpJa5xRZM
v. -

http://youtu.be/AdMVa95sFrw
v.

http://youtu.be/tFQssvi4p9s
v. - Number of Neutral B's used: Too many.

http://youtu.be/_ZY8l6_s-nY
v.

v
http://youtu.be/yljNZyHmSAw

v
http://youtu.be/Cz0QF0MlEZQ

v
http://youtu.be/kIgcNat-ak0

v
http://youtu.be/jzAgWcjWCN8?t=1m36s

v
http://youtu.be/cv5MF--_YGs

v
http://youtu.be/UDzIakxqqHk

v (NM Keep) pt 1
http://youtu.be/PXsBxX45iqU

v (NM Keep) pt 2
http://youtu.be/yUq8g44HTwY

v (NM Keep) pt 3
http://youtu.be/OODQ17msAA8

v
http://youtu.be/me9izst9fHM

v
http://youtu.be/CtwZOVe-w6g

v
http://youtu.be/1sQSrFGiCZ4

v
http://youtu.be/nrEGMfc647g

v
http://youtu.be/I4YDjJEWotM


Finally, a little JV 3 stock I got earlier today against a friend playing Marth. It isn't anything special, but it is the first time I have ever played a full game with no SDs against someone that I would consider decent without getting hit.

v
http://youtu.be/V0zLLV0rztY


@Duzzzyy

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NaZEtESveg

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1V-3pgic

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKVhqHUoCM4

@Hokuwokk

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g12pt2qdaU

vs (2 matches)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R052l9KvPsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovXuguwTjdo

Following by @Macchiato

BrolyLegs vs wil HUD
http://youtu.be/oNqsmhN-vLA

BrolyLegs vs GimR
http://youtu.be/ZPc1H5u_ZyA

BrolyLegs vs GimR
http://youtu.be/mnuVBZPfYAI

BrolyLegs vs Mahgmittoc
http://youtu.be/b9yDWVIhucU

@Scourge The Hedgehog
Lucina vs Marth
http://youtu.be/khyHtcEB9Ho

Lucina vs Pac Man
http://youtu.be/Zatj5Rm3dgc

Lucina vs Rosalina (Only the first game is Lucina vs Rosa. Second game you can disregard)
http://youtu.be/6ZBxEb70MKw[/quote]

@eshu125

vs Sonic (http://www.twitch.tv/cosmash/b/648754127?t=2h35m10s)

vs Rob (http://www.twitch.tv/cosmash/b/648754127?t=4h54m17s)

vs Fox / Captain Falcon (http://www.twitch.tv/cosmash/b/648754127?t=6h37m40s)

vs Sonic (http://www.twitch.tv/cosmash/b/648754127?t=6h55m30s)

VS Fox (http://www.twitch.tv/cosmash/b/648754127?t=7h25m30s)

@AufWiedersehen
vs Game #1
vs Game #2

@BSXDrayden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gehitOLhoSc

@A17

https://youtu.be/6cx0a38amFA

@Eazy23
https://youtu.be/QDe7FHFrjw0 (Lucina at 2:25.)



ZeRo (Lucina) vs MVD (Marth) in an 11 minute series of friendlies. Lots of cool stuff here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJET7J46Noo
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[LIQUID12A]

Just a reminder to everyone, tag me whenever you post a video or find a new one. I'll edit it in later.

 

[Nasreth]

that nakat vs. nairo game was amazing

 

[LIQUID12A]

that nakat vs. nairo game was amazing

It's probably the highest level of Lucina play we will get for now

To everyone else, thread is kinda dead. Remember to comment on videos if you like

 

[Nasreth]

Okay so I know this video doesn't have a Lucina in it, but bear with me here. The casters weren't incredibly knowledgeable so I had to draw my own conclusions here, but if you watch this video from 3:05 to 3:15 you'll see Sethlon (Robin) do a very fancy edgehog -> bair move to get Palutena off the stage. Now, this could possibly be a Robin specific thing, but Lucina's bair comes out very quickly so I think she should be able to do it as well.

http://youtu.be/eJ20RN-9D2E?t=3m5s

Now that you've seen it, try it out. Personally, I have but I've had a few issues with it. I'm thinking it might just be my fingers not moving quickly or correctly enough, but I have trouble running off the ledge and grabbing it instantly like Sethlon did in the video. It's possible that Robin specifically is able to do this, and Lucina doesn't grab the edge like he/she does - I haven't tested that, but it's also possible that I'm just bad. Anyways, that leads to my second problem. I AM able to grab the ledge pretty often (though it doesn't feel as fast as it looks in the video), and when I do there is a fairly long period of time (but probably less than a second) where I can't seem to dislodge myself from the edge of the arena for the backair. Maybe it's just an issue with the circle pad but either way it's all a bit disappointing for me so far.

Can someone good (or at least better than me) test this out to see if this edgehog -> bair is a viable combo for Lucina?

 

[Locuan]

Locuan(Lucina) vs Xtian(Villager)

Lot's of what not to do, lot's of what to do. Enjoy. Recorded with phone.
Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMuFb6-YkM4

I have the first match that we played uploading at the moment, I will post it once I am done.

EDIT:
Second Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mZ2N5WyiL4&list=UUa6Jg_tAbqUI0PMYpvGRlbw

 

[LIQUID12A]

DOCTAH WAHWEE MAHREO tho.

 

[Moydow]

so I did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwCixKfyQfo
about the only replay on my 3DS in which I'm mostly satisfied in how I played, though I reckon I have improved a little since this

 

[LIQUID12A]

OP has been edited with 3 videos under my banner and @ Moydow 's.

 

[Funkermonster]

Got two videos in need of critique and advice. I won both and I win the majorty of my matches with Lucy, but I am not satisfied with it and I don't consider myself very good with her. I have another one I can upload later where I lost, in a tournament.

Charles (me) vs Lichi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRy5tDw8r5w&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

Charles vs a Charizard (can't get his full name). Video's really shaky though and harder to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhKRfm_MfPI&index=2&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

Any help would be appreciated, if it means getting better with Lucina.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Got two videos in need of critique and advice. I won both and I win the majorty of my matches with Lucy, but I am not satisfied with it and I don't consider myself very good with her. I have another one I can upload later where I lost, in a tournament.

Any help would be appreciated, if it means getting better with Lucina.

OP has been updated.

I don't see why you don't see yourself as good with Lucina. In fact, that play is very decent, save for a few specific details that I'll go over:

Lucina ditto

-The technique of Shield Breaker from the air is a seldom used tactic and I applaud you.
-There was a notable lack of punishes for certain whiffed smash attacks on the ground, which can be punished easily with throws.
-Some attacks could have been easily predicted or countered, such as a Shield Breaker that took a stock from you late in the match.

Charizard

-Flare Blitz is very, very easy to counter and yet you didn't do it once. When combined with the residual damage that FB deals to Zard, a counter can very easily kill one that gets too cocky.

Again, I personally don't see why you would consider yourself not good in a non-tourney environment. But ggs nonetheless.

 

[Moydow]

-The technique of Shield Breaker from the air is a seldom used tactic and I applaud you.

*cough*
actually it's one of, if not Lucina/Marth's best horizontal recovery option in their default moveset, more people probably should be using it. On stage, it's pretty useful as a quick jab option, and charged enough it launches you forward, and I'm finding not many people expect just how far forward you go. So yeah, it's a better idea here than in previous games.
I'll look at Pika's videos later and comment more on them myself.

For now I have another of my own here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCDAzUfKRg
This guy was a pretty decent Falcon - does anyone recognise the name? I played three games with him - he creamed me in the first because I was playing Robin, then I switched to Lucina for the second (that one) and Marth for the third (here), and got the measure of him.
anyway, please comment/criticise away!

 

[LIQUID12A]

*cough*
actually it's one of, if not Lucina/Marth's best horizontal recovery option in their default moveset, more people probably should be using it. On stage, it's pretty useful as a quick jab option, and charged enough it launches you forward, and I'm finding not many people expect just how far forward you go. So yeah, it's a better idea here than in previous games.
I'll look at Pika's videos later and comment more on them myself.

For now I have another of my own here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCDAzUfKRg
This guy was a pretty decent Falcon - does anyone recognise the name? I played three games with him - he creamed me in the first because I was playing Robin, then I switched to Lucina for the second (that one) and Marth for the third (here), and got the measure of him.
anyway, please comment/criticise away!

OP updated.

I haven't seen this person ever.

And this is probably just me, but down smash: you use it way too fudging much. Maybe there's a benefit to it, but that's probably, again, just me.

 

[Moydow]

And this is probably just me, but down smash: you use it way to fudging much. Maybe there's a benefit to it, but that's probably, again, just me.

Yeah, I was kinda experimenting with it a bit there - he was rolling a fair bit in the first match, so I was trying to catch him out on it; he seemed to catch on pretty quickly.

 

[Funkermonster]

2 more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4aGKtc7RU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ Against a player. Wasn't too hard for me. Think I overdid it with dash attacks though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUil_7uhoo&index=1&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ against a user, who handled me a lot harder than in all my other available videos. Things I'm aware of:

• Could've definitely countered his spindash, but never did it even once. I wasn't even thinking of using Counter in this.
• Threw out too many raw Smashes, and got punished hard for them.
• Get confused whether he was going for a dash attack or a grab, and I really don't know what to do in that scenario besides try to Jab or Ftilt him out of it. A lot of the time I tend to choose the wrong attack in certain scenarios, especially when my opponent hangs on the ledge.

Ironically though, this was the only time I did beat this Sonic guy and I used Lucy against him only once. I switched to and my own (both of whom are who I normally consider myself better as than Lucina) and I lose to him everytime.

Generally I usually struggle a lot with the Neutral game and have some difficulty approaching my opponents, and that's why I don't find myself as a good Lucina. These videos are all slightly ancient though, and I didn't have much time to play the game recently and forget what it is that I truly suffer against (I think I remember its approaching people). I'll try to get more recent videos sometime later this week.

I didn't think about countering Flare Blitz (or any telegraohed movement or charge attack), thanks! Will definitelywork on that

*cough*
actually it's one of, if not Lucina/Marth's best horizontal recovery option in their default moveset, more people probably should be using it. On stage, it's pretty useful as a quick jab option, and charged enough it launches you forward, and I'm finding not many people expect just how far forward you go. So yeah, it's a better idea here than in previous games.
I'll look at Pika's videos later and comment more on them myself.

For now I have another of my own here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCDAzUfKRg
This guy was a pretty decent Falcon - does anyone recognise the name? I played three games with him - he creamed me in the first because I was playing Robin, then I switched to Lucina for the second (that one) and Marth for the third (here), and got the measure of him.
anyway, please comment/criticise away!

I'd really appreciate it, thanks. I still think I suck, but I may have a lookie at ur video too later.

 

[LIQUID12A]

2 more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4aGKtc7RU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ Against a player. Wasn't too hard for me. Think I overdid it with dash attacks though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxUil_7uhoo&index=1&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ against a user,

OP's been updated. I can't critique right now but will do so when I get the chance.

 

[Shaya]

Sorry if commentary/microphone is a little crackly or hard to hear at certain points.

 

[Funkermonster]

*cough*


For now I have another of my own here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCDAzUfKRg
This guy was a pretty decent Falcon - does anyone recognise the name? I played three games with him - he creamed me in the first because I was playing Robin, then I switched to Lucina for the second (that one) and Marth for the third (here), and got the measure of him.
anyway, please comment/criticise away!

Like I said, I still don't think I'm very great but I'd criticize anyway, and I look forward to your criticism on my videos too. I nly watched the second one with Lucy, but here's what I can say. Some of what I say may be a little harsh though, sorry:

Okay, I think you were throwing a waaaay many raw moves at that Falcon player without doing enough reads. It looks to me like you were throwing out quite a lot of attacks a little willy-nilly such as:

• Shield Breaker, you used this a helluva lot. 3 times I saw you bring it out even when he wasn't in range for it to hit. One time did nothing, the second time he punished it with a Falcon Kick, and the 3rd time he (stupidly) ran right into it.
• Like @ LIQUID12A said you use your Dsmash way too friggin' much. Only for me, I think you overused all 3 smashes, though Dsmash especially. I think I saw you use more smashes than tilts.. Sometimes you were again, charging them even when he was out of your range but recklessly ran into your attacks anyway. The 2nd time you killed him and won the match, instead of chasing him down and predicting where he was going to land, you stood still charging an Up Smash that was hoping to snag him. Instead of snapping the ledge and recovering how, he controlled his landing direction towards you and ate it, ultimately dying and losing the game. Dsmash isn't that great of a smash and I was told that its one of her worst moves since its hella unsafe, and generally outclassed by Usmash, which still hits on both sides and is an overall safer move. To be fair though, I have the problem of throwing out smashes too without reads, though its a bigger problem for me as than Lucina.
• Overusing the counter move, and he ate a lot of them.

Personally, I think that player was playing way too aggressive and recklessly put himself in front of your predictable attacks. Again, sorry for being really harsh but if you want me to be brutally honest, this one particular fight kinda made you both look bad. Perhaps if he had calmed down and played it a little safer and read you, he might have been able to get better punishes and kill you (he didn't seem to try and edgeguard you either) for the tens of Shield Breakers, Counters, and Smashes you threw up. But like I said, I'm still not very good myself and I think you've got a better Lucina than I do nonetheless. I'm probably wrong about most of what I said anyway and I've only seen one measly match of yours, so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

On the positive side, you made pretty damn good use of your aerials (Fair especially) and did a great job escaping his infinite jab combo. That Dancing Blade punish was pretty sweet too.

 

[Moydow]

@ Funkermonster
It's fine, this all helps me see where I need to improve. Maybe the lack of a C stick is a good thing for me it might force me into doing more tilts than smashes in future. That one was done a few days ago, and from looking at it myself I reached a lot of the same conclusions, like overdoing the smashes and counters, and generally throwing out too many sort of "hopeful" attacks (as in, "hoping" he'd fall for them, or at least leave himself open trying to punish). I'm also quite satisfied with the escaping the jabs, those have been (and still are to some extent) giving me a lot of problems.

Okay, now for your videos:
1. vs. Lucina: much like Liquid said, there were a few missed smashes from the other player that you could have punished (e.g. around the 3:15 mark). Your edge-guarding was pretty good (another area I feel I have to improve on myself), and I feel like you made decent use of shield breaker.

2. vs. Charizard: again good overall. as was mentioned the Charizard overdid Flare Blitz and you could have easily punished them with a Counter or two since the start-up lag is basically announcing to you well in advance that he's about to use this attack.

3. vs. Shulk: Vision counter has slightly longer, more obvious start-up than Marth/Lucina's, so it should be a little easier to punish than theirs. of course it can't always be helped, but one of them was triggered by a dash attack, which I felt you did a few too many of.

4. vs. Sonic: Sonic is one I still have a lot of trouble with myself, so I'm probably not best placed to comment on that. You won at least, so that automatically makes you better than me at taking on Sonics Just from looking at it though, like you said yourself a Counter could have worked on a few of his spin attacks, and I saw one or two good uses of Shield Breaker, but other than that there's not really much I can say.

In all of them you threw out a few empty smashes and shield breakers, and generally got done for them. You've probably noticed that yourself anyway.

I don't consider myself particularly great either, so all this could be completely wrong, but those are just the impressions I got.

 

[LIQUID12A]

OP has been updated up to Shaya's video.

I have nothing to add to Shaya's video because let's face it, he plays without my flaws.

2 more:

I'd really appreciate it, thanks. I still think I suck, but I may have a lookie at ur video too later.

It really applies when using any character, but against Sonic, you need a lot of patience because he's much easier to control with his fast speed. Homing attacks can be countered with precise timing, although it won't always hit. Punishing the spring when he's recovering is also nice. Against more cocky Sonics, that almost SD by divekick is also hilariously useful if you manage to bait it.



Shulk's smash attacks are very, very predictable. I can't tell you how many times I've countered an obvious backslash or forward/up smash that they try and KO me with. Because of the counter's power scaled to damage, a Shulk in Smash Stance can be brought up to high percentages quickly if countered successfully.

Moving on, these same predictable attacks, if you can't land the counter or you think your move is unsafe, rush and grab them. It works especially well because they have very specific hitboxes and can miss if you come from a different direction. The one exception is down smash for obvious reasons.

Shulk's counter has a nasty tendency to miss. It's not something to rely on, but it happens. Also, it's slower than Lucina's on whiff, which makes it throw bait.

That's all for now.

 

[LIQUID12A]

It's been too long.

OP updated with a 2 matches under my section; 1 between a For Glory and one against @Fluffyeevee.

 

[Arya Greyjoy]

Hey, I apologize for "reviving" this but it seems like a useful thread.
I'm really looking for some constructive criticism, really just beginning to train in a competitive sense and I'm looking for either better Lucina mains or knowledgeable players in general to point out any major flaws and critique my neanderthal cave-woman style of play here.

This is a random 1V1 for glory match, but a fairly good representation of my use of Lucina

Arya v. "Jaydo"
http://youtu.be/wHfMeHRe380 [The link exists!]
Thanks in advance! Looking for harsh criticism.

 

[Funkermonster]

Hey, I apologize for "reviving" this but it seems like a useful thread.
I'm really looking for some constructive criticism, really just beginning to train in a competitive sense and I'm looking for either better Lucina mains or knowledgeable players in general to point out any major flaws and critique my neanderthal cave-woman style of play here.

This is a random 1V1 for glory match, but a fairly good representation of my use of Lucina

Arya v. "Jaydo"
(Would you look at that, I can't post a link yet. I'll edit it in later when I'm allowed to, I suppose... Sorry)

Thanks in advance! Looking for harsh criticism.

Funny, just saw your last comment on that other thread thanking me and you posted this just now... that was fast! Looking forward to that link!

 

[Arya Greyjoy]

Funny, just saw your last comment on that other thread thanking me and you posted this just now... that was fast! Looking forward to that link!

D'aw thanks, we aim for efficiency around here [The Dark Northeast].
I think I've gotten the right to post it, I'd be honored if you could give it a view!

 

[LIQUID12A]

Hey, I apologize for "reviving" this but it seems like a useful thread.
I'm really looking for some constructive criticism, really just beginning to train in a competitive sense and I'm looking for either better Lucina mains or knowledgeable players in general to point out any major flaws and critique my neanderthal cave-woman style of play here.

This is a random 1V1 for glory match, but a fairly good representation of my use of Lucina

Arya v. "Jaydo"
http://youtu.be/wHfMeHRe380 [The link exists!]
Thanks in advance! Looking for harsh criticism.

Please, don't apologize, darling. All contribution is welcome.

Now, looking over the video.

-Don't taunt at the beginning. Or if you really want to, do it against slow characters or those without projectiles.
-Air Shield Breaker is very useful, but don't abuse it. Opponents do catch on.
-Countering when landing point blank next to someone charging a projectile is a good idea, but beware fake outs.
-Sometimes I saw you evading a smash attack what could be countered. Now, going for the safe play is usually the better idea, but taking risks can net you surprise kills.
-I do feel that you use Shield Breaker a bit too much. Your air neutrals do exist. Not to say Shield Breaker isn't great, but variety keeps you steps ahead so opponents don't read you.
-When recording, try to keep the entire screen visible. If you can get your recording device(which I assume is an iPad) in a stable position where it doesn't nudge, that makes it easier for anyone to look over the video.
- if you get a shield breaker on the ground and it breaks a shield shamelessly taunt, and charge a second one to most likely take a stock.

That's all my criticisms.

 

[Moydow]

- if you get a shield breaker on the ground and it breaks a shield shamelessly taunt, and charge a second one to most likely take a stock.

what have I started

 

[LIQUID12A]

what have I started

A sexy stunt that feels awesome when you do it

 

[Arya Greyjoy]

-Don't taunt at the beginning. Or if you really want to, do it against slow characters or those without projectiles.
-Air Shield Breaker is very useful, but don't abuse it. Opponents do catch on.
-Countering when landing point blank next to someone charging a projectile is a good idea, but beware fake outs.
-Sometimes I saw you evading a smash attack what could be countered. Now, going for the safe play is usually the better idea, but taking risks can net you surprise kills.
-I do feel that you use Shield Breaker a bit too much. Your air neutrals do exist. Not to say Shield Breaker isn't great, but variety keeps you steps ahead so opponents don't read you.
-When recording, try to keep the entire screen visible. If you can get your recording device(which I assume is an iPad) in a stable position where it doesn't nudge, that makes it easier for anyone to look over the video.
- if you get a shield breaker on the ground and it breaks a shield shamelessly taunt, and charge a second one to most likely take a stock.

That's all my criticisms.

thank you! I'll take all of that to heart, countering more aggressively sounds like a challenge, nair is something I could certainly start working on. Not Taunting right off the bat is probably wise huh.

Thanks so much!

 

[Moydow]

okay, looked at the video. Liquid mostly covered everything. I'd also say to try walking a bit more than dashing, since you can do anything (except obviously a dash attack) out of a walk (particularly tilts, those are really useful), and Lucina has the joint-fastest walking speed in the game (equal with Marth). Also I believe you can hit Wii Fit Trainer's footballs back at her, like with Dedede's Gordos, so that's a good way of getting rid of those.
As for taunting at the start, a lot of Japanese players will do that - I hear they see it as similar to bowing before entering battle. Some people also taunt once or twice at the start to indicate that they're leaving after this match, though more casual players might not get the message and just take a free shot. It's a bad idea at the beginning in any other situation though. but you must commence Falcon dittos with multiple "Show me ya moves!" No exceptions.

 

[LIQUID12A]

OP updated with @ Shaya 's new set of matches.

 

[superange]

I have some vidoes that I would like some critique on

Lucina's the one character I want to secondary that I feel like I really suck with compared to my other secondaries

vs. Peach - I think I did ok but I made some silly mistakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3nwW4IzrZQ&hd=1

vs. Jiggly - I didn't do that well at all, I think I was playing the matchup completely incorrectly and made some really dumb mistakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8LVmr_JJZI&hd=1

vs. Lucario - I think I did fairly well but I also think the opponent was kind of predictable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYi_7UmsFMs&hd=1

 

[LIQUID12A]

I have some vidoes that I would like some critique on

Lucina's the one character I want to secondary that I feel like I really suck with compared to my other secondaries

vs. Peach - I think I did ok but I made some silly mistakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3nwW4IzrZQ&hd=1

vs. Jiggly - I didn't do that well at all, I think I was playing the matchup completely incorrectly and made some really dumb mistakes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8LVmr_JJZI&hd=1

vs. Lucario - I think I did fairly well but I also think the opponent was kind of predictable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYi_7UmsFMs&hd=1

Will add to the OP shortly when I'm at my computer.



Side special is not that hard to predict. You got hit by it a lot, when you could have easily countered it at times.



Wat? Rolling attack is super easy to counter. Pound I'll agree is hard to see coming at first, but after the fifth time somebody would react and counter, right?



Good job punishing whiffed counters.

Trying to attack Lucario when he's charging Aura Sphere is risky because he can either strike for good damage or fake out.

Edge guarding Lucario at high % is hard because his recovery move goes very far. Catching him before he does it like you did is good.

 

[Shaya]

If anyone has any questions, comments, suggestions or whatever about any of my matches or videos, I'd be more than happy (in fact: ecstatic) to go over anything and everything.

:D

 

[alandaband]

Hi folks - I'd appreciate any comments / critique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFvy96w75II&feature=youtu.be

Please excuse the creepy intro. I was trying to get my phone's camera to focus. And my apologies for the random background noises.

I also have a match where I get trashed by a Marth which I will UL soon. Any tips on that particular MU?

 

[Funkermonster]

Haven't been here in awhile, got some more videos.

vs. (and a better player than the last one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4wWWdU_au0&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES9zvMi3E8c&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3o2NVPPuGU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

Feel free to comment/criticize, need it once again. That Ness player kinda drove me crazy too.

 

[alandaband]

Haven't been here in awhile, got some more videos.

vs. (and a better player than the last one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4wWWdU_au0&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES9zvMi3E8c&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3o2NVPPuGU&list=UU0RMA482bkRmw4pukDNhPgQ

Feel free to comment/criticize, need it once again. That Ness player kinda drove me crazy too.

It looks like you were pretty reliant on rolls against the Shulk player but it seems like you're adapted your playstyle since then. Nice work on reading his counters.

That Ness player would have driven me crazy also lol.

Generally, it seems like once you've decided on a way to approach, you stick with it (e.g. grabbing after Bowser's whiffed Down-B or DAir). There were a lot of times where you used SH Neutral-B consecutively - while I think it's a good way to poke on occasion, I think it's important to mix it up to keep people guessing.

Also, I noticed that a lot of players don't like to pummel when they grab. Is this normal?

 

[LIQUID12A]

I'll update all of this when I'm back. Too occupied atm.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Finally got around to updating, all videos added plus one found in this thread.

 

[Funkermonster]

It looks like you were pretty reliant on rolls against the Shulk player but it seems like you're adapted your playstyle since then. Nice work on reading his counters.

That Ness player would have driven me crazy also lol.

Generally, it seems like once you've decided on a way to approach, you stick with it (e.g. grabbing after Bowser's whiffed Down-B or DAir). There were a lot of times where you used SH Neutral-B consecutively - while I think it's a good way to poke on occasion, I think it's important to mix it up to keep people guessing.

Also, I noticed that a lot of players don't like to pummel when they grab. Is this normal?

Yeah, I kinda already figured the rolling partout, but thanks for pointing it out anyway. And yeah I gotta mixup my approaches more, and I noticed I never pummel when I grab (from fear of my opponent escaping it).

As for your video with that player, its kinda hard to give advice when you only uploaded one right now. But from the looks of it, that Bowser. Jr player didn't really look like he knew what he was doing, and I found it far easier to pay attention to him than you. He made so many mistakes, it kinda took my focus away from yours:

• He didn't even try to edgeguard you, he stood still on stage hoping you'd die and I don't recall seeing him ever try to play off-stage.
• Overusing Dair (even when he was so close to the ground) and his SideB Car Drive move. His Dair has massive lag and his SideB is easy to shieldgrab or counter if he doesn't jump. There wer a few moments where you could've countered or shieldgrabbed his SideB, but you didn't.
• 1 or 2 instances where he could've shieldgrabbed your dancing blade (which I felt you slightly overused), but didn't.
• When he did grab you, he used Dthrow just about every single time. Honestly none of Juniors throws are particularly scary, as none of them guarantee any followups or KOs. There was a time when you were so close to the edge that he could've used a Bthrow to toss you offstage and try to gimp you with his Fair or Bair, but used Dtrhow and threw you further away from the edge instead.
• Randomly using his UpB explosion onstage in some of the worst possible times, a very situational technique and hella unsafe. His car is gone and it doesn't come back until he hits the ground or gets hurt one or two times I think, and he's only got one attack (albeit a very powerful one) and can't air dodge. Plus, if you hit Junior himself (his turtle body), he takes more damage than he would if you hit his car. Whenever he used his UpB, you could've jumped to the air and cut him up while his car was gone, and use your Counter if you could predict his hammer attack. He kinda got away with most of the onstage UpB uses and you let him. You did hit his turtle self at least once though
• When knocking you ofstage, he hardly even tried to edgeguard you (which shouldn't be hard since your character ahas a mediocre recovery) or go offstage. He just stood by the edge hoping to kill you with smash attacks and one time he did nothing at all.
• When he laid out Mechakoops most of the time he just shot a cannonball after it and did another sideB, which I think is a bad habit amongst many Junior/Koopaling players who think it gives them stage control. Since the mechakoopa's an item you could just pick it up and throw it back at him or destroy it with an attack. Some times you got hit by it, other times you destroyed it with a dtilt. I think he could've just used used it as an approach option by walking behind it and punished you for destroying it and give you two things to worry about, like Mario would do with his fireballs or Pac-Man with his Melon Fruit.
• That guy was roll happy and rolled a lot. To be fair though, that's common among many players out there in For Glory, including me (as you saw in my own videos). So its not exclusive to him.

Its kinda hard to critique your gameplay when you're opponent was kinda looking like a wimp, made so many mistakes that they overshadowed yours. I think it would be a lot easier to help if you uploaded more than one video too, with a better person to play against.

 

[alandaband]

Yeah, I kinda already figured the rolling partout, but thanks for pointing it out anyway. And yeah I gotta mixup my approaches more, and I noticed I never pummel when I grab (from fear of my opponent escaping it).

As for your video with that player, its kinda hard to give advice when you only uploaded one right now. But from the looks of it, that Bowser. Jr player didn't really look like he knew what he was doing, and I found it far easier to pay attention to him than you. He made so many mistakes, it kinda took my focus away from yours:

• He didn't even try to edgeguard you, he stood still on stage hoping you'd die and I don't recall seeing him ever try to play off-stage.
• Overusing Dair (even when he was so close to the ground) and his SideB Car Drive move. His Dair has massive lag and his SideB is easy to shieldgrab or counter if he doesn't jump. There wer a few moments where you could've countered or shieldgrabbed his SideB, but you didn't.
• 1 or 2 instances where he could've shieldgrabbed your dancing blade (which I felt you slightly overused), but didn't.
• When he did grab you, he used Dthrow just about every single time. Honestly none of Juniors throws are particularly scary, as none of them guarantee any followups or KOs. There was a time when you were so close to the edge that he could've used a Bthrow to toss you offstage and try to gimp you with his Fair or Bair, but used Dtrhow and threw you further away from the edge instead.
• Randomly using his UpB explosion onstage in some of the worst possible times, a very situational technique and hella unsafe. His car is gone and it doesn't come back until he hits the ground or gets hurt one or two times I think, and he's only got one attack (albeit a very powerful one) and can't air dodge. Plus, if you hit Junior himself (his turtle body), he takes more damage than he would if you hit his car. Whenever he used his UpB, you could've jumped to the air and cut him up while his car was gone, and use your Counter if you could predict his hammer attack. He kinda got away with most of the onstage UpB uses and you let him. You did hit his turtle self at least once though
• When knocking you ofstage, he hardly even tried to edgeguard you (which shouldn't be hard since your character ahas a mediocre recovery) or go offstage. He just stood by the edge hoping to kill you with smash attacks and one time he did nothing at all.
• When he laid out Mechakoops most of the time he just shot a cannonball after it and did another sideB, which I think is a bad habit amongst many Junior/Koopaling players who think it gives them stage control. Since the mechakoopa's an item you could just pick it up and throw it back at him or destroy it with an attack. Some times you got hit by it, other times you destroyed it with a dtilt. I think he could've just used used it as an approach option by walking behind it and punished you for destroying it and give you two things to worry about, like Mario would do with his fireballs or Pac-Man with his Melon Fruit.
• That guy was roll happy and rolled a lot. To be fair though, that's common among many players out there in For Glory, including me (as you saw in my own videos). So its not exclusive to him.

Its kinda hard to critique your gameplay when you're opponent was kinda looking like a wimp, made so many mistakes that they overshadowed yours. I think it would be a lot easier to help if you uploaded more than one video too, with a better person to play against.

Thanks. I've never played against a Bowser Jr. before so I wasn't sure what to expect. I have some replays saved of me getting destroyed by Marths and Sheiks. I'll UL those when I have a moment.