Legitimacy of Z Jump

[RogueThunder]

My control scheme for my ness required the z button to be set to jump for some bsticking techniques. My ROB is not a bsticker, but I've found that the usefulness of having Z jump carries over.

The fact is, it's too hard to claw x or y AND the b button almost instantaneously, but z jump does away with that problem and opens up a lot of really cool and relatively untapped techniques (While I doubt I'm the first to discover this, I've never really seen it anywhere in ROB's metagame and I feel there is potential).

Try it for yourself, you can do some really interesting things like rising reverse lasers/WBGCs. This might help ROB's sometimes less than stellar underneath game and make him even more mobile and unpredicable in the air.

Definately worth the hassle of retraining yourself to the new control sceme IMO.

Just FYI, my controller setup:
GC controller
A- attack
B-specials
Cstick- smashes
X- grab
Y- Jump
L- dodge/shield
R- attack (i don't really use this at all, it was for Ness's double airborn shuffling and I didn't get rid of it)
AND Last but not least- Z JUMP!

 

[Silhouette]

I don't quite see what this is meant to help with, just for people who don't want to claw, right?

 

[Zwarm]

I've messed around with similar techniques before, since I used to have R set to Specials for Lucas. I think it was called pseudo B-sticking. I found a lot of good ways to WBGC and the such, but the input was much too hard for the gyro, and I didn't think it'd be that useful to learn. ROB has a bunch of stuff he can do with this, but I can't see them being too useful. I find it a lot more useful to WB Side B's with other characters, but ROB's is pretty much useless, lol.

Oh, and it was a legit WB too, like, I stayed facing the same way and bounced backwards, not the usual B-reversal that people call WBing.

EDIT: Sil, stop STPing and ninjaing me!

 

[Silhouette]

You forgot to check the shadows again, didn't you?

I'm not like the normal silhouettes your used to, where they run at your face with a big sign that says "Challenger Approaching".

Nah see, I'm a sneaky ba****d.

 

[Zwarm]

Grrrreat, and I'm sitting in a dark room right now. XD

*looks around*

 

[ccst]

Haha, LoL. xD

 

[Sudai]

ROB is actually a "b-sticker" it's just most ROB's don't do it enough. WBGC = too good.

 

[RogueThunder]

Sil- Naw, you really just have to try it to see what I mean, there are some really weird stuff you can do with it.
Swarm- yeah, the techniques won't become ROB's new bread and butter or anything, but I can still see enough use in these rising specials to justify learning them imo
Sudai- really? do you know any good ROB's offhand who bstick so I can youtube some matches?

 

[A2ZOMG]

I set X to specials and I always jump with Y. That imo is the easiest way to properly buffer specials from a jump.

 

[Mister Eric]

ROB is actually a "b-sticker" it's just most ROB's don't do it enough. WBGC = too good.

just to help him get his bounce better or...? and you do mean setting c stick to smash right? I would do this, but I never want to risk ruining the speed of rob's dsmash. I feel I might have bad habits of throwing in a couple frames of charging it by accident if i "do it manually"

@Rogue: I use Z to jump, only because I have tap jump off. It helps me perform pivot or reverse or w/e its called -- up b's when im grounded. thats about all i use it for i think. I also have L as jump bc when Im trying to SDI out of certain moves and im tapping up on both sticks...there goes my thumbs and I just find it easier to hit L (in an attempt to jump out of the multi-hit hitbox) instead of Z. thats just me though.

my X is grab too so our config is the same besides the L button, and idk if you have tap jump on or off.

 

[Silhouette]

I have no problems clawing or WBGC or any B-reverse techs, or I just move really quickly from jump to B and my only control mod is tap off. I might give this a try next week to see if I can find anything new, not gonna switch things up just before MLG.

btw what exactly is the difference between Wavebouncing and B-reversing, I know all about B-reversing but I guess I'm not fully aware of the uses of Wavebouncing.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

speaking of tap jumping i think ROB is better with it on, it helps it makes flipping the robo booster super easy.

 

[Mister Eric]

speaking of tap jumping i think ROB is better with it on, it helps it makes flipping the robo booster super easy.

I only disagree because I always finding myself wasting a jump in all of those up b's we input during a match. maybe my timing is crappy. haha

 

[GwJ]

I use tap jump so I have no issues. :D

 

[Sudai]

I didn't mean you should b-stick with ROB, I just meant wave bounding is useful with him.

 

[Tin Man]

he has the exact same control scheme as me haha