KOS-MOS for Brawl!!one

[PrettyGoodYear]

Yeah, because she has never appeared on a Nintendo console, she does not stand a chance. Good character though.

She has a game on the DS and as of now is owned by Nintendo. How does she have no chance?

N-E-WAYZ. I vote that the topic creator edits the first page and details all that has changed between now and the time the post was made. (Monolith being acquired by Nintendo, the fact she has a game for the DS, yadda yadda.)

 

[Hellsing00050]

I wonder what will happen...........
We'll just see and find out who will be in brawl.
They have a site ofcorse, it is www.smashbros.com.

 

[DeuceBlade]

if krystal took on a human form.. it would be KOS-MOS imo.

 

[SolidCrispy]

I <3 KOS-MOS. I'd love to see her included, but can't see it happening despite everything she has going for her. She's only been 2nd party (or 1st party, whichever it is) for a short time now, possibly too late in Brawl's development to be able to add her. Maybe the next game if she's not in this one.

 

[Ryudo_Sama]

KOS-MOS would be interesting, at this point, she is either in or out.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

You know what, this thread should be locked and someone should make a new one. With a better first post, one that details that she has appeared in the DS (Don't bring Cloud into this... Clous has a lousy cameo, at least KOS-MOS stars) and how she's owned by Monolith who is now owned by Nintendo.

You know... Monolith is working in an RPG for Wii right now... it could be Baten Kaitos, or a new Xenosaga, who knows.

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS in Brawl

I think that a lot of gamers would want to see her in Brawl, because she is so powerful. I mean if you watch the cinematics during the Xenosaga games or you watch the anime TV show called Xenosaga: The Animation, you will know the tremendous power she has both in hand to hand combat and in weapons (both beam blades and beam guns). She could easily put Samus on the defensive. I also don't understand a comment I saw back on page 11. One person said:

I <3 KOS-MOS. I'd love to see her included, but can't see it happening despite everything she has going for her.

What I would like to know is this. If she has everything going for her (which I also believe she does), why would she NOT be in Brawl? That is completely backwards.

Let's put it this way. I read a couple months ago about Monolith being purchased by Nintendo, and the Xenosaga game for the Nintendo DS. Not only that, Nintendo has pushed the release date for Brawl back to February of 2008. This clearly indicates that they wish to add more of something (possibly characters) to the game. So now they have more production time. So KOS-MOS will hopefully be in the game.

One last point to make. Because any company is ultimately answerable to its customers (who buy the company's products), that company is inclined to make as many customers happy as possible. And I believe that KOS-MOS has enough of a fan base to put pressure on Nintendo to put her in the game. In fact, that might be the reason that Nintendo delayed the release of the game.

 

[Erow Devastates]

Well i dont think Kos- Mos would b in brawl, i never seen her on the nintendo seen, but it b fun to c her but very unlikely

 

[tirkaro]

Well i dont think Kos- Mos would b in brawl, i never seen her on the nintendo seen, but it b fun to c her but very unlikely

She had her own DS game, and she's owned by nintendo. The requirements are still there.

 

[vesperview]

Xenosaga is owned by Monolith Soft, not Nintendo, she's on same ground as Saki or Marina.

 

[SolidCrispy]

Xenosaga is owned by Monolith Soft, not Nintendo.

Which is now second party to Nintendo.

 

[vesperview]

If Treasure CO. and Game Freak didn't get a playable character who are much closer second parties to Nintendo than Monolith soft, why would they? Specially when all the Xenosaga trilogy was on the PlayStation and the DS game is not even original.

 

[SolidCrispy]

If Treasure CO. and Game Freak didn't get a playable character who are much closer second parties to Nintendo than Monolith soft, why would they? Specially when all the Xenosaga trilogy was on the PlayStation and the DS game is not even original.

Doesn't Game Freak make Pokemon?

 

[vesperview]

Doesn't Game Freak make Pokemon?

They didn't create the Pokemons, Nintendo owns them, Jill from Drill Dozer became an AT, which was their most obvious choice for a playable character and Saki from Sin and Punishment is also an AT, I don't see how KOS-MOS would become a PC over those characters.

 

[SolidCrispy]

They didn't create the Pokemons, Nintendo owns them, Jill from Drill Dozer became an AT, which was their most obvious choice for a playable character and Saki from Sin and Punishment is also an AT, I don't see how KOS-MOS would become a PC over those characters.

I agree with you there. KOS-MOS has a chance, but not a very good one imo.

 

[tirkaro]

They didn't create the Pokemons, Nintendo owns them, Jill from Drill Dozer became an AT, which was their most obvious choice for a playable character and Saki from Sin and Punishment is also an AT, I don't see how KOS-MOS would become a PC over those characters.

Saki is owned by nintendo. If he wasn't, the dojo would mention treasure inc on the copyright section on the bottom.
And Pokemon is partially owned by gamefreak. you can see gamefreak's mention on the copyright section of the credits too, (which was there long before the demo was mentioned of, even back in the old dojo in 2006.)

KOSMOS, however, is too major to be an AT. Either Xenosaga/Monolith will get full representation, or not at all. The only way I can see that happening is for time constraints, although I'm sure its not that hard to secure the rights and program a character in 9 months.

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS for Brawl

Originally Posted by vesperview
They didn't create the Pokemons, Nintendo owns them, Jill from Drill Dozer became an AT, which was their most obvious choice for a playable character and Saki from Sin and Punishment is also an AT, I don't see how KOS-MOS would become a PC over those characters.

I can easily see how KOS-MOS could be a playable character over those other characters. She is much more famous than those other characters. In fact I have never herd of the character Jill from Drill Dozer. I haven't even heard of the game Drill Dozer. But almost everybody knows who KOS-MOS is or at least of have heard of the Xenosaga games. And Monolith is actually OWNED by Nintendo (specifically 80% of Monolith is owned by Nintendo). That practically makes KOS-MOS a Nintendo character. And because she is so powerful, most people would think she is a very cool character. I know I do. I could easily see KOS-MOS being in the list of the 5 most popular Nintendo characters (and therefor could be in Brawl). Here is how I think the list would go (at least this is my opinion on who are the 5 best Nintendo characters)

1. Link
2. Samus
3. KOS-MOS (She might even switch places with Samus and enter 2nd place if she is in Brawl and has good moves.)
4. Marth
5. Mario (Yes he is Nintendo's mascot, but he is only in 5th place on my list because in my opinion his attacks aren't that good.)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I can easily see how KOS-MOS could be a playable character over those other characters. She is much more famous than those other characters. In fact I have never herd of the character Jill from Drill Dozer. I haven't even heard of the game Drill Dozer. But almost everybody knows who KOS-MOS is or at least of have heard of the Xenosaga games. And Monolith is actually OWNED by Nintendo (specifically 80% of Monolith is owned by Nintendo). That practically makes KOS-MOS a Nintendo character. And because she is so powerful, most people would think she is a very cool character. I know I do. I could easily see KOS-MOS being in the list of the 5 most popular Nintendo characters (and therefor could be in Brawl). Here is how I think the list would go (at least this is my opinion on who are the 5 best Nintendo characters):

1. Link
2. Samus
3. KOS-MOS (She might even switch places with Samus and enter 2nd place if she is in Brawl and has good moves.)
4. Marth
5. Mario (Yes he is Nintendo's mascot, but he is only in 5th place on my list because in my opinion his attacks aren't that good.)

What the hell is that list based on, because your basing some characters off their games, and some on how they perform in Melee, even then...wouldn't fox be on there? and KOS-MOS isn't even in Smash

If it's based on popularity it's wrong too

 

[RBF Kaji]

kos-mos would be a pretty cool character to have in brawl.

 

[bballstar23]

I can easily see how KOS-MOS could be a playable character over those other characters. She is much more famous than those other characters. In fact I have never herd of the character Jill from Drill Dozer. I haven't even heard of the game Drill Dozer. But almost everybody knows who KOS-MOS is or at least of have heard of the Xenosaga games. And Monolith is actually OWNED by Nintendo (specifically 80% of Monolith is owned by Nintendo). That practically makes KOS-MOS a Nintendo character. And because she is so powerful, most people would think she is a very cool character. I know I do. I could easily see KOS-MOS being in the list of the 5 most popular Nintendo characters (and therefor could be in Brawl). Here is how I think the list would go (at least this is my opinion on who are the 5 best Nintendo characters)

1. Link
2. Samus
3. KOS-MOS (She might even switch places with Samus and enter 2nd place if she is in Brawl and has good moves.)
4. Marth
5. Mario (Yes he is Nintendo's mascot, but he is only in 5th place on my list because in my opinion his attacks aren't that good.)

I'm sorry, but you can't say KOS-MOS is one of the top 5 most popular Nintendo characters. I hadn't even heard of her until people started mentioning her as a character they wanted in Brawl. Yes, she does have a chance, but just because she's your favorite character, that does not place her in the Nintendo top 5.

 

[vesperview]

I can easily see how KOS-MOS could be a playable character over those other characters. She is much more famous than those other characters. In fact I have never herd of the character Jill from Drill Dozer. I haven't even heard of the game Drill Dozer. But almost everybody knows who KOS-MOS is or at least of have heard of the Xenosaga games. And Monolith is actually OWNED by Nintendo (specifically 80% of Monolith is owned by Nintendo). That practically makes KOS-MOS a Nintendo character. And because she is so powerful, most people would think she is a very cool character. I know I do. I could easily see KOS-MOS being in the list of the 5 most popular Nintendo characters (and therefor could be in Brawl). Here is how I think the list would go (at least this is my opinion on who are the 5 best Nintendo characters)

1. Link
2. Samus
3. KOS-MOS (She might even switch places with Samus and enter 2nd place if she is in Brawl and has good moves.)
4. Marth
5. Mario (Yes he is Nintendo's mascot, but he is only in 5th place on my list because in my opinion his attacks aren't that good.)

Is that the most biased statement ever or what? KOS-MOS in the top 5 best Nintendo characters and over Mario??!! WTF? She's not even known or held in high regard among Nintendo fanboys and I love how you say KOS-MOS is more popular and important than Jill just because you've never heard of her before, while she is more popular, she is absolutely a minor character in the Nintendo universe, sort of like Cloud or Sora and NO she is by far no more playable material than Saki or Marina or even Jill for that matter.

 

[SolidCrispy]

Yeah...KOS-MOS's chances are actually pretty low, don't get your hopes up.

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS in Brawl

What the hell is that list based on, because your basing some characters off their games, and some on how they perform in Melee, even then...wouldn't fox be on there? and KOS-MOS isn't even in Smash

If it's based on popularity it's wrong too

My list of who I think are the 5 best characters (best for being in SSBB) owned either by Nintendo or by a company which is owned By Nintendo is based on a combination of several factors (not just based on one factor). Here is a list of factors I considered.
1. How the characters from the previous 2 SSB games performed on those SSB games.
2. How KOS-MOS performed in Xenosaga (her game of origin).
3. How I think KOS-MOS might perform if she were in SSBB.
4. How powerful the characters seem (guns are good, lasers are better, swords are good, beam swords are better, just plain punches and kicks are good, fancy moves are better).
5. My own opinion of who I think is "cooler".
6. How others perceive KOS-MOS and her game Xenosaga (based on looking at various websites).
7. How others perceive the "standard" Nintendo characters and their games (based on looking at various websites).
8. How well I think the characters would handle specifically a fighting game type of environment (as opposed to RPG, or FPS, or adventure genres because SSBB is a fighting game so It doesn't matter how the characters would handle in other environments).

Now I hope you can see how I figured up my list.

 

[stingers]

Hey, check this out, from the Geno Thread:

While Geno and Mallow originally appeared in a game that was marketed by Nintendo, the title was designed and programmed by Square Soft. Geno and Mallow would still remain as the intellectual property of Square-Enix (the current name).

Now, seeing as how KOS-MOS is in the same situation (designed by Monolith Soft, but published by Namco), why wouldn't the same standard apply?

So, KOS-MOS is Intellectual Property of Nintendo.

I know this was never really in doubt, but this is just here for the few people that think Namco owns KOS-MOS.

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS in Brawl (a smart buisness move for Nintendo)

Let me tell you something. Since she is relatively new to Nintendo, she might not be popular with fans specifically loyal to Nintendo. But to people like me who like video games in general (I don't care if its Sony, Nintendo, Sega, etc.), She is VERY popular. If Nintendo put her in Super Smash Bros Brawl, she would make more "generic gamers" become Nintendo fans. And that would earn Nintendo LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

She is most popular among Sony PS2 fans, but Nintendo can't worry about that or they would have to put in lots of PS2 characters, which they can't do. What they can do is try to pick a few characters from a few games from various game systems that people who would play games for any system (aren't loyal to any particular company) would play. So to get "generic gamers" to come to Nintendo, they could add KOS-MOS who is quite popular to the generic gaming community. As I said, that could earn Nintendo BIG BUCKS.

 

[vesperview]

Let's make Cloud playable then.[/sarcasm]

KOS-MOS still has to establish herself in a Nintendo system, most people don't even know her DS game exists, nor if there will be a next installment of her series on the Wii anytime soon, is pretty stupid to include a character who's done practically nothing in the Nintendo systems other than some minor game most people haven't heard of, even Sora and KH mean more to Nintendo than KOS-MOS and that's not saying much.

 

[silver777]

can someone explain to me the COS-MOS is a Nintendo character thing??

Isn't she Namco's?? =\

 

[vesperview]

can someone explain to me the COS-MOS is a Nintendo character thing??

Isn't she Namco's?? =\

They gave up her rights and monolith soft the company that develops the game is now owned by Nintendo, or something like that.

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS in Brawl

Hey, check this out, from the Geno Thread:



Now, seeing as how KOS-MOS is in the same situation (designed by Monolith Soft, but published by Namco), why wouldn't the same standard apply?

So, KOS-MOS is Intellectual Property of Nintendo.

I know this was never really in doubt, but this is just here for the few people that think Namco owns KOS-MOS.

Actually, KOS-MOS is in a different situation. She is not just being marketed by Nintendo for the benefit of some other 3rd party company (as you say Geno was). Her situation is much better. She is owned by a company which is actually OWNED by Nintendo. This practically makes her a Nintendo character. This makes her chances of being in Brawl even more likely.

 

[vesperview]

Using her copyright as an argument to say she has a very likely chance of being in the game is pretty useless, there are by far characters more significant than her or even more popular.

 

[videogamerBen]

Let's make Cloud playable then.[/sarcasm]

KOS-MOS still has to establish herself in a Nintendo system, most people don't even know her DS game exists, nor if there will be a next installment of her series on the Wii anytime soon, is pretty stupid to include a character who's done practically nothing in the Nintendo systems other than some minor game most people haven't heard of, even Sora and KH mean more to Nintendo than KOS-MOS and that's not saying much.

Well if most Nintendo fans don't even know about her Nintendo DS game, It would be good advertising for the DS game if KOS-MOS was in SSBB. This would be another reason that this would help Nintendo rake in the money.

 

[vesperview]

The game is been out for a year if it didn't make an impact then, it won't do now.

 

[stingers]

It DOES make her a Nintendo character. Which is just...awesome :D

 

[stingers]

Being popular isn't a requirement, as long as you're a Nintendo character.

- Ice Climbers
- Roy
- G&W

Are you gonna tell me that they are popular characters?

 

[silver777]

They gave up her rights and monolith soft the company that develops the game is now owned by Nintendo, or something like that.

really?? thats new to me.

 

[vesperview]

Being popular isn't a requirement, as long as you're a Nintendo character.

- Ice Climbers
- Roy
- G&W

Are you gonna tell me that they are popular characters?

Roy was an advertisement for a Fire Emblem game a series that was huge in Japan, Marth, unarguably the most important character of Fire Emblem was in Melee as well.
Game and Watch is Nintendo's first videogame character and is retro just like the Ice Climbers, retro characters don't get in based on popularity.

I don't see how you can compare them to KOS-MOS, when her game didn't even make an impact on Nintendo gamers.

 

[silver777]

so technically, she is a Nintendo character...? sorry, the only robot I want in brawl is Ray, I don't want her to take his place...she doesn't deserve it.

 

[T-major]

if a Monolith character gets in, I think it will be Kalas from Batan Kaitos; since that series is the main reason Nintendo decided to buy Monolith in the first place, as well as being more established as a Nintendo game than Xenosaga. sure KOS-MOS would be more original, but that means nothing if you don't deserve to be there in the first place...

on a side note, Xenosaga (part 2) is quite possibly the WORST RPG I've ever played. it had cut-scenes that lasted for AT LEAST half an hour on average, and then there was a 10 minute interval of bland game play before another hour long cut-scene... so yeah, good thing I only rented it...

 

[videogamerBen]

KOS-MOS in SSBB would be an excellent advertisement for Xenosaga on the DS

Roy was an advertisement for a Fire Emblem game a series that was huge in Japan, Marth, unarguably the most important character of Fire Emblem was in Melee as well.
Game and Watch is Nintendo's first videogame character and is retro just like the Ice Climbers, retro characters don't get in based on popularity.

I don't see how you can compare them to KOS-MOS, when her game didn't even make an impact on Nintendo gamers.

If Roy was an advertisement for Fire Emblem, then couldn't KOS-MOS as a SSBB character be an advertisement for Xenosaga. They had to advertise Fire Emblem to start with because at first it was not popular so it needed an advertisement. The same goes for Xenosaga on the Nintendo DS. It also needs an advertisement to help make it become popular. Putting KOS-MOS in SSBB would be the perfect advertisement for that Xenosaga game.

 

[vesperview]

If Roy was an advertisement for Fire Emblem, then couldn't KOS-MOS as a SSBB character be an advertisement for Xenosaga. They had to advertise Fire Emblem to start with because at first it was not popular so it needed an advertisement. The same goes for Xenosaga on the Nintendo DS. It also needs an advertisement to help make it become popular. Putting KOS-MOS in SSBB would be the perfect advertisement for that Xenosaga game.

Why do you think it wasn't just Roy in Melee? Cause they obviously needed the well established character (Marth) to give him a push so to speak, it's clearly a different situation.