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That's an explanation I'll buy. The Uyghur group is ethnically different from Han Chinese, and there is a great deal of prejudice against them by the Han. They are in a similar position to the Tibetans; both groups have exiled leaders, both are religiously influenced cultures (Islamic and Buddhist), and both have activists fighting the government for rights and better treatment. Lately, there have been large-scale ethnic clashes, with the Chinese government handing out executions for Uyghurs accused of inciting violence.
No, listen to El Nino! He knows everything.
There was a 2009 riot in Urumqi that mostly involved Uyghur attacks on Han peoples. Some speculate that this riot was directly caused by the oppression and prejudice the Uyghur's face in China.
in other words he was working for the very people that beat his ***, but because he was caught, he was publicly punished. at least I think that's what he was trying to explain... heh.
This is incorrect. Justice would be prison time and even behavior study and rehabilitation. Beating them up is simple vengeance. There is a reason that Hammurabi's code isn't widely practiced nowadays.
Just hurting the guy solves nothing. Psychological evaluation and rehabilitation actually has a tangible positive effect on society. The only thing to be gained from the form of punishment you are talking about is the consolation of sadism. Reaching out to all, even those who do unbelievably heinous things, puts yourself above them. Simply indulging in sadistic pleasures to makes us just as low as the people who committed the crime in the first place.
That's not how I interpreted it. I read it as "they let him be the scapegoat" because he was caught by the crowd and the gang won't rescue him. The people beating him are the ones who caught him, not his own gang.
Justice is entirely relative, to them they're dealing out justice to the thief. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure justice as a humanitarian concept isn't the type of justice handed out by a lynch mob of savages, again this is why vigilantism isn't allowed. People are exceptionally violent and bloodthirsty, it seems that they're just waiting for someone to excuse their lust for such activity. Oh he's a paedophile, oh he beat up a woman HE NEEDS JUSTICE.
Because eye for an eye is a primitive method that has no place in western society, that is what we are told. Honestly the type of justice you believe in is being employed on that kid, which is EXACTLY why it is not justice, because you are doing nothing but emulating the people who were beating down that child. There are a myriad of other punitive actions (some of them arguably more cruel) that could be employed, but again it's always "let's beat him down", "kill him", because the mind of a savage doesn't seem to extend far beyond.
Because revenge can be blow way out of proportion. Let me tell you how I would take revenge if someone say assaulted the person I love. I'd probably tie them up in a basement somewhere and torture them to death, and I'm very very creative, so it would be extremely painful. The point is, that's not justice, that's just cold blooded revenge to satisfy my desire to cause harm. That is not justice.
It is to them, and you're not going to CHANGE that fact by administering violent "justice", it's through education and through less emphasis on violence, but obv that's not gonna happen so looking forward to episode 2.
No one's saying you shouldn't throw a punch to help someone in need, I think the point LT and I were making that Battlecow disagreed with is that beating one of the aggressors up after the incident is vengeance, not justice. There's nothing wrong with helping someone out.
I remember reading about that riot on Wiki, and the article seemed to imply that there were more Han Chinese killed/injured compared to the Uyghur. I know Wiki is free for anyone to edit, but I'm guessing what you're saying is that not many people now what went on behind the scenes of this riot/protest?
i like how you explained justice, that was pretty awsome imo (im not argueing against anyones posts, i just think his definition of the word is good)
The Chinese government controls the news media going in and out of the country. So, a lot of the time, exact numbers won't be available to the public. But Uyghur activists claim that the group is subjected to systematic rights abuses by the government that go unreported. This does not justify the deaths of Han Chinese killed during the riots, but when the government reports on Han deaths but not the Uyghur struggles, the public is given a distorted view of events. IIRC, the riots began as a response to false criminal accusations pushed against a number of Uyghur men, which resulted in a fight between Uyghur and Han, in which a few Uyghur died. The government took no action, and so protests were held, which escalated into riots. (Going off a BBC article I read a couple years ago. May not have all the details right. Google is giving me a lot of propaganda right now.)
