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this thread is piquing my curiosity
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Kansas City Area Brawl Thread
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nu may be gay but at least the entire competitive metagame doesn't revolve around being a campy mother****er.
Fino
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All of you didn't see what I saw at supercon. How many of you have been to a big blazeblue tournament... much less played against a good nu? ****... the game has only been out for several weeks... wtf am I talking about "good" @.@
But seriously, watching ky play against a nu was probably the most homo thing I've ever seen. Yes, even more homo than the quadruple mk vid that I'm sure will pop up in here any minute.
All I saw was running away, and then using attacks that covered the entire screen. In fact... if touhou were to be made into a 2D fighter, it would look a lot like nu in BB
~Fino
But seriously, watching ky play against a nu was probably the most homo thing I've ever seen. Yes, even more homo than the quadruple mk vid that I'm sure will pop up in here any minute.
All I saw was running away, and then using attacks that covered the entire screen. In fact... if touhou were to be made into a 2D fighter, it would look a lot like nu in BB
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the thing about that is, nu can't be played any other way. nu has the least health out of any other character (a balancing attempt, I'd assume) and gets wrecked unless she plays runaway/defense. have you ever seen a runaway storm in MvC2?
at least it's only 1/13 chars instead of 36/36 characters.
at least it's only 1/13 chars instead of 36/36 characters.
Fino
Smash Master
Rachel doesn't count either? She's not nearly as bad as nu... but combine the frog with her ability to push people away with wind does make a deceivingly close second; though I've only heard from domo, I haven't played against a rachel. Also, brawl is not a camp battle, and I refuse to continue this argument if you're going to be a fool (like you always are when it comes to brawl arguments)
~Fino
Pokkit
Smash Cadet
half of the bickering back and forth has consisted of asterisks
just thought i'd share that
just thought i'd share that
v13 is blatantly top tier and obviously the best character in BlazBlue. Not liking her is not a promising start to your relationship with that game.
She's so fun though. Her zoning game is just ridiculous; she can do fullscreen high-low mixups and generally has fantastic keep-away with huge disjointed attacks (by huge attacks I mean Dhalsim huge not Marth huge; her fierce normals are basically projectiles). Her fierce attacks are just amazing themselves; her standing fierce is a 1-8 multi-use attack that combos into itself (which also means it is an amazing pressure move on block) and combos into her 8 hit and very powerful, disjointed, and good forward fierce (I think it combos into down fierce too which is pretty similar to forward fierce). Yeah, if she randomly throws out her standing fierce and connects, you eat a pretty easy to execute 16 hit combo and then are knocked down at about half-screen. It's amazing.
I only played for one night though. My friend used Jin and started to figure out how to give me grief (smart use of his aerial projectiles to snipe at me and go for freezes so he could get in fast; he also sometimes caught me with an unpredictable ice car). I'm still mostly all about Brawl, but if BlazBlue is set up at a brawlfest I'd happily play a few rounds (with a pad and utilizing easy specials, of course).
This may be the first game ever ArchiveZero and I have simultaneously liked, though I'm 100% sure he'll really, really hate how I play and the fact that I have never and will never even for a single friendly use any character that is not v13 in BlazBlue. I sense there's just not much appreciation for the defensive zoning characters here; it's a shame...
She's so fun though. Her zoning game is just ridiculous; she can do fullscreen high-low mixups and generally has fantastic keep-away with huge disjointed attacks (by huge attacks I mean Dhalsim huge not Marth huge; her fierce normals are basically projectiles). Her fierce attacks are just amazing themselves; her standing fierce is a 1-8 multi-use attack that combos into itself (which also means it is an amazing pressure move on block) and combos into her 8 hit and very powerful, disjointed, and good forward fierce (I think it combos into down fierce too which is pretty similar to forward fierce). Yeah, if she randomly throws out her standing fierce and connects, you eat a pretty easy to execute 16 hit combo and then are knocked down at about half-screen. It's amazing.
I only played for one night though. My friend used Jin and started to figure out how to give me grief (smart use of his aerial projectiles to snipe at me and go for freezes so he could get in fast; he also sometimes caught me with an unpredictable ice car). I'm still mostly all about Brawl, but if BlazBlue is set up at a brawlfest I'd happily play a few rounds (with a pad and utilizing easy specials, of course).
This may be the first game ever ArchiveZero and I have simultaneously liked, though I'm 100% sure he'll really, really hate how I play and the fact that I have never and will never even for a single friendly use any character that is not v13 in BlazBlue. I sense there's just not much appreciation for the defensive zoning characters here; it's a shame...
Dekar173
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Um, doesn't Carl have the least amount of health?
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i play against an amazing nu player every time i play blazblue and i can already tell that Ky just played poorly. Jin has a 5/5 match up against nu, if he got ***** its his fault not the game's. he probably didnt have enough match up experience.
says the kid maining IC's and olimar.
i dont think anything is worse than losing an entire life just because you got grabbed once by a character that gets two simultaneous grabs.
you need to stop talking too. you obviously don't know what nu is capable of. she has a great close range game, granted its not as good as her zoning game. being able to dash cancel almost all of her moves makes her ridiculously safe with most of her moves.
if you want to start talking **** on rachel, dont even waste your breath. she's the 2nd hardest character to learn in the game and you can't even fathom how hard that is.
brawl IS a camp battle wtf are you smoking?
how did i win my matches, i ran away and threw bombs.
how does ampharos win his matches? he spams bair all day.
how do olimar mains win? spamming pikmin and then throwing or csticking.
you're delusional if you don't think brawl rewards you for running away.
um...i play rachel? meaning if you don't know every part of nu, i will put your **** against the wall and deal 6k damage with an oki mixup, you guess wrong and you're dead. i play against a nu all the time, i'm fine with that match up.
btw its ArkiveZero
MJG
Smash Hero
Hi Arkive. I love you <3
Unfortunately...hes right about brawl...it consists of mainly camping, being out gayed by a character who is above all, way better than every other character (need i state his name? >.>) and partially mind games.
Other than that...brawl isn't nearly as competitive as it should be.
8BitRevolver
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MJG is one legit dude
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Pokkit
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I'll just point out this part. Yes, it's possible to win matches by running away and spamming. Winning is the key part. If employing a certain strategy helps you win, why not use it?
Also, those strategies are defeated by smarter players. You could also say that Pit arrow spamming = win...but it's just not true...most of the time. They are easy to spot dodge/powershield. Mr. Doom powershielded my arrows all day long at GigaBrawl.
If running away and spamming arrows equals a win, I see no reason not to do that. However, if my opponent knows how to get around arrows, I will no longer spam arrows. I will play more aggressively.
Also, for the record, AA spams bair because it's an amazing move and an easy way to win if his opponent doesn't know how to get around it. If the other player knows how to get around bair, he changes his strategy. He plays to win. Nothing wrong with that.
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clearly arkive aren't arguing that "playing to win," is cheap by any means, just that he finds it boring, and a good reason as to why competitive brawl isn't fun.
so anyway who's been training up their... KOFXII skills?
so anyway who's been training up their... KOFXII skills?
rpotts
Smash Lord
That's how I read Arkive's post too, Pokkit made the point that running away and spamming can be a winning stategy, which Arkive doesn't denounce, he just thinks it's not fun or competitive. I agree that it's not unbeatable but it's boring and it's a tactic that many characters (anyone with a projectile) playstyles revolve around.
Plus, at low damages the hitstun from most close range attacks will have worn off before the moves cooldown lag is over, making close range combat an easily punishable tactic at low damage which further promotes camping and projectile spamming.
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when there isn't a reasonable balance between offensive and defensive playstyles in competitive play, you know someone ****ed something up.
Pokkit
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Well I can understand if he believes it to be a boring strategy...I used to think the same way. But I enjoy Brawl, and I enjoy winning at Brawl, so I need to play the best strategy to win.
Close range combat can be punishable if players use their longer-cooldown moves. Some moves, like Wolf's dsmash and G&W's dsmash, have very little lag. You just have to know which moves will be punishable in which situation. If you know that, then you get punished less in close-range combat. Doesn't it make sense though anyway that if you miss something close up that you should get punished for it, regardless of the hitstun?
Close range combat can be punishable if players use their longer-cooldown moves. Some moves, like Wolf's dsmash and G&W's dsmash, have very little lag. You just have to know which moves will be punishable in which situation. If you know that, then you get punished less in close-range combat. Doesn't it make sense though anyway that if you miss something close up that you should get punished for it, regardless of the hitstun?
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there is nothing wrong with playing to win, but you forgot the point of my post. Fino said brawl wasn't a camp battle, so i proved him wrong.
brawl is all about punishing, you can almost never punish projectiles meaning that projectile spam is encouraged in brawl.
normally yes, but when you connect with an attack and your opponent recovers before you do something is very very wrong.
you best fear my Leona, Iori and Kyo son yayuhzzz
rpotts
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That's what I was saying. I mean, if you miss your attack then yeah you should get punished, but so many close range attacks deal so little hit stun that the opponent can almost always attack you before you can try to combo them. Combos don exits in barwl, which sucks. Except for lame chaingrab infinites...
Stealth Raptor
Smash Legend
i love people who say combos dont exist in brawl lol, i routinely do 30+ damage combos in brawl, and ive done and seen 50 damage true combos done by lucario. just cause they arent epic 50-60 damage combo of melee or 0 deaths of smash 64 doesnt mean they dont exist
rpotts
Smash Lord
There are single moves in ssb64 that do 30-54 dmg...
Stealth Raptor
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and thats smash 64. the same could be applied to a lot of combos in melee 
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**** cuzin' he be usin them 30 damage comboz
MJG
Smash Hero
Pokkitz...Mr doom plays with a really good pit..lol thats not even fair in regards of what u said about him powershielding...pits a scrub >.>
Pokkit
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pit is no scrub
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fixed 10char
Pokkit
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well this thread's commotion died
MJG
Smash Hero
Who are you? Just curious >.>
Stealth Raptor
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pit player, friend of ampharos
MJG
Smash Hero
Ah i see...i remember seeing a pit at Gigabrawl now
Pits a scrub >.>
Pits a scrub >.>
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i lol'd at this
Pokkit
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i played a friendly against you, mjg, on affinity's tv at gigabrawl...you beat the bejesus out of me. i hadn't played a really good toon link and wasn't sure how to handle it. i think that tv had some lag too, but it wasn't terrible. plus i'm just not too good at the game. no one plays brawl competitively where i go to college, so my only competition is during the summer against a very small group of friends.
MJG
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My Favorite Scruuuuuuuuubsssssss
Ours kind of is. I like the ppl we play with but there are only a few of us that really want to get better. But it is always still fun so im loving it lol
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MJG
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Good stuff SB
Squirtle is god tier
Squirtle is god tier