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It stopped being a Nintendo crossover since Brawl with Snake.
First time I heard about Tomato Adventure :b
He said they would NOT bring as much hype as third parties, just that they can still bring in some hype.
Oh, now I see my mistake then.
For the record, Sakurai would have included Snake in Melee had Kojima asked him sooner in development
And you're absolutely right. I won't play stupid and ignore you're points. Smash would have needed some third party hype eventually but in my case, I would have been strict about it because I have a urge for it. Its exciting to me. Other "third parties", I wouldn't bother over rather, they'd have to come to me. I'm not potentially advertising an IP that is inherently a rival console exclusive and because, I want Smash to return to its former glory. Less third parties equals to less characters and less characters equals to easy balancing, then I can reform single player modes, break the targets, bring back board the platforms, etc.
"Former glory"? Hate to break it you, but Ultimate is the best selling game in the series, just in a few months.
Why does nobody mention that by beating Brawl it became the best selling fighting game too?
I did not know either of these things and that is really cool. It also makes a lot of arguments people have made on this thread (and sadly other kind of BS threads), some of the funniest satires I have seen in my life.
It's honestly sad as it's always people who are strictly Nintendo fans who say this. Those people always try to say "Good games are actually bad because you see, it isn't Nintendo".
A guess its no wonder I adapted to the "true smash fan" mentality. Haha
Are you kidding me with this? Nintendo owns the game. There is no licensing with characters you own (except maybe Pokemon cause that's a mess). Sakurai owns nothing in Smash. He is hired to do a job by Nintendo so cut out about half of those.
No, it had guests. Notice that Snake and Sonic were always relegated to the end. Even in 4 they were cast off to their own portion of the roster and specifically referred to as guest. It wasn't until 4's DLC that they went third party happy. Having third parties does not not make it a Nintendo crossover, it makes them guess fighters. Your line of thinking is like saying that Injustice stopped being about DC superheroes when they added Scorpion. Which is a really terrible argument.
"i really hate when people dont want the same things i want" yes very good thank you
can you really not see why someone would prefer a fleshed out, developed character from an amazing and famous game series who has the potential to be a unique and fun entry in the game over a side character from a franchise thats already well represented, who we barely see fight so would just have a generic moveset? (i know that doesnt apply to everyone you listed, like i'd love to see skull kid).
It had guests then, it has guests now whats the difference? Number of them? Thats silly. Even if all the DLC is 3rd party they are less than a fourth from the total roster. A lot of them give variety to the game given that Nintendo doesn't really own characters like them.
This strikes me very much as a to-MAY-to/to-MAH-to situation. The only real difference it serves is so one person can claim that they are right and that somehow their opinions count more.
Snake is also probably the worst because he was literally a personal favor. Not picked for his legacy or anything. He was a favor and a prime example of Sakurai just doing whatever he pleases.
You don't have to. No one is obligating you to care. Joker is in for the Persona fans and anyone who is interested in the series but hasn't tried it yet (like myself). And you don't have to by P5S. That's not why Joker is in the game.
And that's our fault. We all assumed, without a solid reason, that a Persona 5 port would come to Switch. We were wrong, there simply wasn't a good enough piece of evidence to suggest it. We all jumped to conclusions to quickly.
Joker isn't an advertisement. He was chosen by Sakurai from the list Nintendo gave him because he loved Persona 5. If you don't want to purchase him, for whatever reason, you're not obligated to. As I stated above, he is here for the Persona fans, not just you. Did that though ever pass through your head? That maybe they picked a character for other reasons than you hoped for?
Did you go to Assumption College? 'Cause that's a really big....assumption (I'll see myself out).
Because many of those third party characters are fan favorites and fan requests. I am a Nintendo fan and I love some o the third party fighters we have. I used to dislike them, but thanks to Joker I've come to see it from a new angle and I really appreciate them. Your point is purely personal and shared by barely anyone (otherwise we'd only have a few third parties and not this many).
So? Some of the Nintendo characters in the game also have barely any history with Nintendo. Besides, some of these characters were incredibly popular and/or from critically acclaimed games, and have a huge history in gaming.
Joker was not an advertisement. Again, he was very popular and picked personally by Sakurai because he loved Persona 5.
Bruh.
That's another Big Bertha assumption. Sakurai chose one--one, I tell you (count 'em: ONE) fighter in Ultimate simply because he liked the game. (Almost) Everyone else was in via fan demand. I personally think that for all of his efforts the man gets to choose a fighter on his own. It doesn't make him a control freak in any way.
And neither is Corrin. And at least half a dozen other Nintendo characters in this game also hold very little importance to the company, they're in Smash for old reasons. Joker is in because he was popular, from an amazing game, and Sakurai liked him.
I dunno about you, but I really liked Cloud and I'm definitely buying the FF remakes when they release because of that, so mission accomplished for Nintendo and Square!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Final Fantasy is one of the biggest, most iconic and widely acclaimed video game series there is, and some of its best are about to come to the Switch.
Damn straight.
Damn straight again.
Damn straight a third time.
This post was so hilarious it almost made my spit out what I was drinking. The world needs more people like you.
Stop dehumanizing Sakurai as some dictator because he has one or two personal picks. There are 80 fighters in this game and barely any of them were of personal choice. Everyone else was in the game for legitimate reasons. Once again you are making a big deal out of nothing.
You keep saying Sakurai does whatever he wants, but you didn't say why this is a bad thing. Snake is one most of the most popular Smash characters, so Sakurai having his own free will is not as bad as you make up to be.
Even if Snake is a personal favor, is a character with a big legacy and from a genre that is not associated with any Nintendo franchise. As much as you see him as the worst pick ever, I would disagree as he is a really fun character with a unique style and moveset that I feel that fits in Smash. In addition he meshes well due to the absurdity elements in Metal Gear like the boxes and Codecs (during Brawl).
Snake was chosen as a personal favor to Kojima, one if the most reviled and influential developers in the industry, sure but saying that as if he has no legacy is really degrading to that character. He pioneered the stealth genre and started in games that are considered to be the launching point of great stories in video games. Sakurai didn't pick Snake JUST cause he asked, like Sakurai didn't pick Sonic just cause Yuji Naka asked. It's not that black and white.
Why you gotta **** on my boy Waluigi like that D:
THANK YOU!!! Someone had to say it! I didn't even knew that Persona 5 wasn't coming to Switch, but it seems logical because well, none of the other games came to Switch. I also didn't purchase Joker, because I am not fooled by this inclusion. It's even worse than with Cloud, who was the most balant Sony-character on the roster before Joker. Now I get Joker is owned by SEGA and all, but is that really what counts?
No one can tell you that you're wrong, but it's perfectly fine for you to say that everyone else is?
This reads like a very weird line of thought. Closing Smash to third parties won't magically create a series of Smash copies, just like not adding Isabelle and Villager to Mario Kart wouldn't give us an Animal Crossing Kart.
A series growing and evolving is not a necessarily bad thing.
He's a DLC newcomer and doesn't share his development time with dozens of newcomers, while bringing a new franchise.
Yes they where wrong. They where wrong about assuming I would like the character suddenly far more seeing how 'unique' (I don't think he's all that honestly) and 'fun' he would be. And no, I don't feel that way about the character at all. So yes, they are wrong here. Objectively.
Don’t alot of Smash characters have a lot of made up moves because a lot of them are from games where we don’t really see them fight a lot, or showcase a lot of moves to borrow from?
If it'd been Nintendo only from the start to modern day, then I think other companies could have actually competed with Smash or at least attempted to.
I think this is still reaching too far. There was almost a decade between Smash 64 and Brawl, where any company was completely free to make their own Smash. And another few years between Brawl and 4, where we got the big four you mentioned.
Sure, but for the former, you want more content for yourself. For the latter, you want less for other people.
Companies were making their own crossovers long before Smash anyway. Capcom Vs. anyone? Stuff like Project X Zone or Sega Superstar Whatever are no less valid as crossovers just because they're not platform fighters like Smash. There's even a mobile crossover game in Sega Heroes.
No, we can't convince you to change your opinion anymore than anyone advocating for exclusive Nintendo based Smash will change the minds of people who have no issue with third parties. You're allowed your subjective stance on issues... but we will call people out when their arguments lack substance or have noticeable issues.