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Jab -> Guaranteed FSmash against Characters with RCO lag

Flayl

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KPrime expanded on the research done by Nothing on RCO lag.

He mentioned in the end of the post that attacks with small knockback that prop people up in the air force a heavy landing with RCO lag, which has enormous penalties. I went ahead and tested it in frame advance mode, and Bowser can FSmash people if he jabs them before they can get rid of it.

Here are the characters you can FSmash:
:mario2: :luigi2: :ganondorf:'s UpB :fox:'s OverB :wolf: :falcon: :pikachu2: :squirtle: :charizard: :marth:

Here are the characters you can FSmash but only if you're really close when Jab hits:
:ganondorf:'s OverB :fox: :falco:

Guaranteed FTilt due to RCO lag:
:bowser2: :dk2: :lucario:
 

B!squick

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I like how it only works against 3 high tier character. Sakurai for the loss.

Still, really neat info. You are my greatest weapon against Bowser's foes, Flayl. :)
 

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Haaaa, awesome info. Great job once again Flayl! You're like our professor.
 

Flayl

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I thought it was hilarious that a true combo to Bowser's FSmash actually exists
 

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Wow.. this is ********.

I'm so glad Peach isn't up there. Great find Flayl!
 

Flayl

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Tehcnically you can do it to Peach too, but only if she grabs the ledge after UpB'ing and closing her parasol, which I almost never see happen in Peach vids so I didn't put it up there.
 

KingKong_ad

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I actually find funny that I know that since almost one year and actually I pulled it off a few times...
but in my region a lot of people know about the ROC so they are good to not be punisshed by this...
 

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DK doesn't get RCO lag, so that isn't a true combo on him

I guess he does, never even noticed
 

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I didn't know Lucario had it.

Also Ganon really never gets any breaks, does he? If it's a ******** tactic, odds are it can be done to him.
 

Flayl

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You don't need a video for somehting this simple. Force a CPU of one of these characters to UpB to a ledge, then Jab and FSmash them. Or just do an upB to the ledge with the character yourself, jab him with Bowser and then hold shield and look at how long it takes for the shield to pop up.
 

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For the record, nobody who's carrying RCO lag should be dumb enough to be in jab range of the opponent anyway.
 

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For the record, nobody who's carrying RCO lag should be dumb enough to be in jab range of the opponent anyway.
I've done this plenty of times against good players. It can happen if they're not expecting to be edgeguarded with jab, which most people aren't.

:phone:
 

MrEh

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Bingo. Just try harder and everything can work.

...

Which explains why I no longer win matches anymore. Since I go for junk that's so outrageous that no amount of effort can make it work. lol
 

Uncle

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Saying "SHOWTIME!" in a deep, beastly voice right before a game starts might help as well for intimidation purposes. ;)
 

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I hate threads like this, I hate when people show something totally obvious known for years and pretend like it's super new.

this is as old as Brawl itself.
 

B!squick

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I hate threads like this, I hate when people show something totally obvious known for years and pretend like it's super new.
I hate posts like this. I hate when people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and pretend like they do.

this is as old as Brawl itself.
Well, no **** Sherlock. Who'd have thought that a game that never receives updates or any new content would have something since the time it was made.

Is the technique new? Of course not. Is the application? Yeah. So, put down the Haterade, kid.

EDIT: He even has a link to the original source of inspiration, so how is that pretending like it's new? Please explain or else do us all a favor and keep your stupidity to yourself.
 

Flayl

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I hate threads like this, I hate when people show something totally obvious known for years and pretend like it's super new.

this is as old as Brawl itself.
I've never heard or seen a Bowser jab someone to take advantage of RCO lag.

Taking advantage of RCO lag yes, but not with a jab follow-up.
 

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so basically he's saying that he's been jabbing -> fsmashing people due to rco lag since brawl's born days

-goes to youtube-
search: yikarur bowser rco lag jab fsmash

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****** post +1
 
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