Izaw(Sheik) vs Haze(Marth) Best of 7 Money Match | WITHOUT COMMENTARY

[Izaw]

HOLD ON

Before you get all mad and shiet
I posted this here cause the Sheik boards needs more love and activity.

So first of all. Enjoy the set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-f8314pGC8



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hBG0B7ALHI (Without commentary)



And if anyone of you feel like getting active, lets bring up the Marth match up and what it has come to. Ask questions, look for match up advice etc. I've got experience against a lot of Marth, one of them being Mr.R, so if you honestly have trouble with Marth I'd be more than happy to give you advice on where Marth has his blindspots, and how to limit Marths options or even putting Marth in a 0 option situation. Trust me it's NOT 65-35 or even 60-40 between these two as the Marth boards claim. God no. Anyways! Lets just light up the Sheik boards. Cause Sheik really is a HECK of a character.


Oh and I still main Link. Actually I main both Sheik and Link. Although I stopped giving a damn about the Link community cause a HUGE majority of them are immature, ignorant and basically missledd over their character. But what goes on in the Link boards, stays in the Link boards. So lets keep it respectable .

 

[phi1ny3]

Wow Haze adapted like Night and Day, I thought that was going to be so one-sided.

Then you got him again and punished his whiffs tons, and of course you did work on those gimps. It was literally looking meleefied with all the gimps (both yours and his) going on, lol.

 

[-Mars-]

It's good to see more Sheik players.

But this didn't deserve it's own thread.

Use utilt instead of uair or fair for platform punishes and pressure. It's much safer.

Also....you need to learn how to sweetspot the ledge or cancel the vanish lag if you're going to land on the stage. Pretty entertaining set but both of you are far too aggressive.

 

[Izaw]

No such thing as far too aggressive if it works for the time being and if your aggressive in the right way.

Specially when you've already figured out your opponents playstyle

Also while utilt is more safe to use under platform it is NOT UNpunishable. Using ONLY Utilt would make it predictable in the end and it would get me punished, mixing it up is Always a better option.


Oh and how do I cancel the UpB?

 

[phi1ny3]

You have to make it so you land a particular distance off the ground, it's tricky, but definitely doable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWHxv5208AY

You get actually some cool punish opportunities from your opponent thinking they can smash you from your lag.

 

[Judo777]

HOLD ON

Before you get all mad and shiet
I posted this here cause the Sheik boards needs more love and activity.

So first of all. Enjoy the set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-f8314pGC8


And if anyone of you feel like getting active, lets bring up the Marth match up and what it has come to. Ask questions, look for match up advice etc. I've got experience against a lot of Marth, one of them being Mr.R, so if you honestly have trouble with Marth I'd be more than happy to give you advice on where Marth has his blindspots, and how to limit Marths options or even putting Marth in a 0 option situation. Trust me it's NOT 65-35 or even 60-40 between these two as the Marth boards claim. God no. Anyways! Lets just light up the Sheik boards. Cause Sheik really is a HECK of a character.


Oh and I still main Link. Actually I main both Sheik and Link. Although I stopped giving a damn about the Link community cause a HUGE majority of them are immature, ignorant and basically missledd over their character. But what goes on in the Link boards, stays in the Link boards. So lets keep it respectable .

Everyone is picking up sheik these days we should make t shirts! Also i have said for forever that it was close to even.

 

[Zankoku]

Wait, who the hell claimed Marth has a huge advantage against Sheik?

 

[stealth3654]

Whoever was commentating. We always thought it was even.... I thought.

 

[Zankoku]

lol, I just skimmed through a bit of the commentary. Describing a few of Izaw's (admittedly cleanly executed) true combos as "hard reads" and claiming that Marth's early chainthrow-dair spike is a guaranteed KO (it isn't) has me wondering...

EDIT: I also saw Izaw attempting to string bair into bair (like a TRUE SHEIK PLAYER). There are so many times I wish that that combo's, and it looks like it should combo, and then it doesn't combo... It even happens in Melee.

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah lol, I hate how it juuuuuust has enough lag to get hit out of, although sometimes you can like do retreating bair, then DJ back in with bair for a safe string.

I think the person who was commenting with all the "Sheik is bad" talk was Punishment Divine, lol.

 

[Izaw]

lol, I just skimmed through a bit of the commentary. Describing a few of Izaw's (admittedly cleanly executed) true combos as "hard reads" and claiming that Marth's early chainthrow-dair spike is a guaranteed KO (it isn't) has me wondering...

EDIT: I also saw Izaw attempting to string bair into bair (like a TRUE SHEIK PLAYER). There are so many times I wish that that combo's, and it looks like it should combo, and then it doesn't combo... It even happens in Melee.

Ahh I know what you mean buff Bair :<

 

[Judo777]

Wow that was a prime example of a great player (the marth that is) that does NOT know the MU he is playing. I saw very very few dancing blades which is a HUGE part of the MU.

 

[phi1ny3]

^Yup, true lol. SideB is like Marth's biggest close range thing aside from upB oos.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

Great matches Izaw. It is good to see Shiek kicking some as-. I was a bit surprised myself Marth didn't use many Dancing Blades either. There were some points that he could've safely done so. Overall that was a great 23 minutes of 2 good players. Good job to you both! =)

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Wait, who the hell claimed Marth has a huge advantage against Sheik?

I always claim this, and will continue to claim this, even if by some miracle I start winning this match up.

 

[Zankoku]

I always claim this, and will continue to claim this, even if by some miracle I start winning this match up.

You also claim that Sheik ***** Peach 80-20, so I don't believe you say what you think.

 

[Haze~]

next time i play this matchup im gonna be walking and db more

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

next time i play this matchup im gonna be walking and db more

Don't worry Haze~. You both did a great job and it was very enjoyable to watch. I like your Marth play. =)

 

[Izaw]

Hmm.. why walking :O? I'm curious... Isn't it already bad enough that Sheik outspeeds Marth ?

Is it cause Marth can't put up his shield right away when he starts to dash?

 

[stealth3654]

I think it's so he doesn't trip as often

 

[Izaw]

I think it's so he doesn't trip as often

LoL, that would just be a ridiculous reason xD

 

[phi1ny3]

Marth's run is pretty bad imo, I land x2 the amount of lucario fsmashes because Marth can't shield until his relatively long dash animation's finished. XD Marth's walk is pretty fast, and while he still is losing mobility, he at least doesn't eat as much from camping.

I'm sure the same thing goes for needles as well.

 

[sheikamaru]

Everyone is picking up sheik these days we should make t shirts! Also i have said for forever that it was close to even.

i've been looking for a sheik shirt to wear to tourneys for the longest.... i don't want a triforce.

lol, I just skimmed through a bit of the commentary. Describing a few of Izaw's (admittedly cleanly executed) true combos as "hard reads" and claiming that Marth's early chainthrow-dair spike is a guaranteed KO (it isn't) has me wondering...

it could have been if he edgeguarded.

EDIT: I also saw Izaw attempting to string bair into bair (like a TRUE SHEIK PLAYER). There are so many times I wish that that combo's, and it looks like it should combo, and then it doesn't combo... It even happens in Melee.

indeed.

You also claim that Sheik ***** Peach 80-20, so I don't believe you say what you think.

lmao haha!!!!!! oh the troubles of tiers..

next time i play this matchup im gonna be walking and db more

yea guy. you should switch to sheik :D you saw how awsome izaw played ^^

 

[sheikamaru]

Izaw! I demand more vids!!!

 

[Izaw]

More vids inc ;O

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

You also claim that Sheik ***** Peach 80-20, so I don't believe you say what you think.

LOL

The Difference between Marth and Peach, is that I respect that Marth should be even, but hes such a frustrating/boring character to fight against that I'd rather play an Ics main. :<

ICs less gay than Marth y?

 

[Izaw]

Oh wow no way. IC is easly more gay than Marth . I mean sure you can screw over IC with needle gimps and what not easly but .. On stage.. It's pain in the ***.. and boring.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I'm just terrible at the Marth Matchup

 

[sheikamaru]

gonna try ps more

Spoiler

in the marth matchup

!!!

 

[Roller]

Wait, who the hell claimed Marth has a huge advantage against Sheik?

It's that guy that hosts the vVv podcasts that mains samus and has never gotten above last at a tournament ever. (not exaggerating)


I watched the match btw, good **** to Izaw.

 

[sheikamaru]

what's your opinion on the marth though? some people are saying there's some stuff he wasn't doing right like more use of side b? or up in sheiks tilts? i wanna see like something where both chars know each others char well like.. sheiks know to ps marths attacks and marths know to up b when jabbd or smashed.

 

[Zankoku]

There are a lot of things both Sheik and Marth can do to each other. Marth moreso than Sheik. The matchup more or less boils down to the fact that both can punish each other's mistakes fairly well, but Marth's range lets him actually capitalize on a mistake more easily.

 

[Izaw]

Yes, as Ankoky said, they can both punish each other well, although Sheik has a sliiightly harder time dealing with it and reacting to it than Marth, the match up btw imo 55/45. It would have been 50/50 it Marth DID NOT have his UP B. Although ppl say he could had Side B / UP B more, i doubt that it would change too much. Side B is punishable with Nair at any strike, and UP B is risky if the Sheik knows how Marth players use it and how to punish it.

 

[Zankoku]

Side+B is one of Marth's most reliable damage-based punishers, and Up+B cuts down a lot of Sheik's pressure options, though. They'd definitely force you to play differently, if nothing else.

 

[Izaw]

Yes exactly. In the end the Marth player will also have to adapt and start using UP B in a smart way, rather than using it directly when he gets tilted /cause the Sheik can always start holding her sheild up after a tilt or two, and if the Marth DOES up B punish with Usmash, if he DOESNT UP B Grab him OR FULL hop a Nair which you then space away from the Marth, which Marth can't punish . And also UP B'ing the Sheik , when the Sheik is at 0% is just a bad choice too, the Marth will get punished.

Also Haze has played , just like I have and just like the commentators mention, this match up just as much as me (around 2000 times lol) so he is as experience as me in this Sheik - Marth match up. He knows what he's doing most of the time.

 

[Zankoku]

I dunno, I'd agree that it was definitely solid play all around, but I'm not sure how much of it was matchup-specific.

 

[Judo777]

Yes, as Ankoky said, they can both punish each other well, although Sheik has a sliiightly harder time dealing with it and reacting to it than Marth, the match up btw imo 55/45. It would have been 50/50 it Marth DID NOT have his UP B. Although ppl say he could had Side B / UP B more, i doubt that it would change too much. Side B is punishable with Nair at any strike, and UP B is risky if the Sheik knows how Marth players use it and how to punish it.

Nair only punishes side B if the marth uses it RIGHT on top of you or not at max range which he shouldn't be doing. Also most of the time nair trades with side B, and sheik loses every trade.

 

[Izaw]

Sheik doesn't loose every trade. It depends on the %. And no Marth is perfect, it can happen that a Marth messes up the spacing of a Side B cause he though he had enough time punishing something. Good to know then that Nair is an option, along with Dsmash.

 

[sheikamaru]

dsmash is always an option.. just not against sheilding opponents.

the gays shiz that happened to me in a tourney one time? i dsmashed on a snake that spot dodged every hit...... there's only 3 hits and he dodged all of em!! T-T... c'mon!!! up tilt ftl >.>

 

[Judo777]

Sheik doesn't loose every trade. It depends on the %. And no Marth is perfect, it can happen that a Marth messes up the spacing of a Side B cause he though he had enough time punishing something. Good to know then that Nair is an option, along with Dsmash.

Oh I know he not perfect and although its pretty easy to space right (since the range window is pretty big) I have always said nair Oos is one of our best options against DB if we don't have enough shield to block it all cause its at least an option and we might trade. But most of the time if marth DB's and we dont have enough shield to block it all its pretty free damage for marth. Thats why its most of the MU for him.

And unless our trade kills the opponent..... we lose the trade. Sheik is probably the lowest character in the game if you were to compare suvivability over ability to kill on every char (DK and Snake being at the top not in that order specifically). We are VERY light and are probably the worst char in the game at killing. Sheik loses (just about) every trade she makes (obvious exceptions being like large swings in damage for instance trading needle storm for a single laser). If we both take about the same damage we typically lost.