Isabelle's Jab Frame Advantage

[LGameTales]

After labbing Isabelle's jab knockback and hitstun for a while, I've put together enough data to create a frame advantage graph for it:

Isabelle's Jab Frame Advantage

www.desmos.com

u is your percentage (affecting rage). If you are under 35, leave it at 35.
w is the enemy's weight.
They're just for you to adjust.

 

[Seleir]

After labbing Isabelle's jab knockback and hitstun for a while, I've put together enough data to create a frame advantage graph for Isabelle's jab:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/3lcn15wlam

r is your percentage (affecting rage). If you are under 35, leave it at 35.
w is the enemy's weight.

Jab > DSmash (f8) is looking quite feasible!

Can you explain how it works? Are the blue lines meaning how frames do you have?
I mean if the touch the vertical parallel line.

 

[LGameTales]

Hopefully the black r line is invisible by default. Click on its bubble if it isn't.

Yes, the Y-axis is the amount of frames you have of advantage. The X-axis is the enemy's percentage. They are in the form of lines because the frame count will only rise in steps. (There is no 4.5 frames of advantage, for example.)

 

[FLOW |Jeffy]

After labbing Isabelle's jab knockback and hitstun for a while, I've put together enough data to create a frame advantage graph for it:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/3lcn15wlam

r is your percentage (affecting rage). If you are under 35, leave it at 35.
w is the enemy's weight.
Both of these things should have visibility off. They're just for you to adjust.

Jab > DSmash (f8) is looking quite feasible!

This is very complicated for me to grasp dude. Can you explain the applications and percents that you think jab downsmash works at? Can you tell me what and where. You thibk jab is viable at? Any weird properties or effects you have found jab to do?

 

[LGameTales]

Sorry! I've updated the graph with notes and other small things that hopefully makes it clearer. (I've also fixed a problem it had.)

Can you explain the applications and percents that you think jab downsmash works at?

Jab > DSmash will work when Jab has 8 or more frames of advantage. When you have 100% on you, it will work on Mario (though only if frame-perfect, if he holds shield) at ~105%. It will work on a lightweight (in the following case, Sheik) starting at ~120% with no rage, and ~95% if you are at 100%.

Can you tell me what and where. You thibk jab is viable at? Any weird properties or effects you have found jab to do?

It is always safe on hit because you always have at least 2 frames of advantage. I haven't found anything weird about it, necessarily, except that it doesn't knock enemies off the floor until around 250%

 

[Violet Broregarde]

This is really cool, and I was just thinking earlier today about how I wanted something precisely like this. Does this formula generalize to other moves? Did you discover The Hitstun Formula?

 

[LGameTales]

Does this formula generalize to other moves? Did you discover The Hitstun Formula?

I am indeed using the general formula that applies to all moves, but I have filled in the damage and knockback values to be specific to Isabelle's jab. I didn't discover it, no! If you want to see the full knockback formula with variables, it's here:

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Formulas

And hitstun:

https://twitter.com/Ruben_dal/status/1065752807859412993

 

[Bakagabby]

Thank you!!! This is so helpful to me!

 

[JagerDagger]

Nice, I've used this to f-tilt at the ledge a few times now!

 

[RAzul]

After labbing Isabelle's jab knockback and hitstun for a while, I've put together enough data to create a frame advantage graph for it:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kv7byoqdd0

u is your percentage (affecting rage). If you are under 35, leave it at 35.
w is the enemy's weight.
They're just for you to adjust.

Jab > DSmash (f8) is looking quite feasible with rage!

This is GDLK dude. You’re a saint to us all.

 

[Goddamn_Angela]

Very nice.

 

[MalanoMan]

Duuuude this is so freaking cool! Thank you for putting this together, LGameTales!