Isabelle isn't a semi clone

[NintenEdgyMan]

Just because she has pocket, pot, and a similar up B doesn't make her a semi clone.

It's like saying Luigi is a semi clone of Mario. They have a few similar moves but they are different characters entirely.

And on that note it would be crazy not to have the pocket because it's so important in animal crossing. It would be like having Little Mac without punching.

Also the pot and up b being similar is just a result of running out of items. We reached the limit for Animal Crossing items and needed to fill that space somehow.

And yeah, some animations are similar, but that's just because they used the model.

 

[Uffe]

Pocket, pot, balloons, and net, actually. People called Lucas a semi-clone because he has the same up air, f-smash, and specials as Ness. That's just one extra similarity, so she basically is a semi-clone of Villager.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

she’s a semi clone, just accept that. even if she is so what? if you like her then play her, if you don’t then don’t.

 

[Buzzwole]

Why are people so obsessed with putting arbitrary labels on everything?

If you enjoy playing Isabelle, then play her. Does it matter what people think about her status as a clone character?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It's like saying Luigi is a semi clone of Mario. They have a few similar moves but they are different characters entirely.

I don't know about you, but I definitely consider Luigi a semi clone, even if he's the closest to being his own out of the lot. It's not even just the moves you mentioned either, her Up-B is clearly an alternate version of Villager's, her Up-Smash (the stopsign) is just a way to have a single-hit version of Villager's fireworks, and there are probably more that I'm forgetting. They did a great job differentiating her moves from Villager's just by taking from different things.

I don't think semi clone should be viewed as a negative term, because like you said they play completely different, it's not exactly bad being in the company of Luigi, Lucas, Wolf, Falco and the like.

 

[MainJPW]

Luigi is a semi-clone my dude.

 

[Freecs]

You do realize that “semi” implies “not actually”, right? Like for example, a semicircle isn’t actually a circle in any capacity.

 

[CleverDan]

I thought semi-clone described characters like Luigi, Ganondorf, Lucas, and Wolf. Just goes to show how confusing these community-developed terms are. At least we know who Echoes are, even if we don't know the exact criteria.

 

[Luigifan18]

Um... why is this thread not in the Isabelle forum? (For that matter, why does it even exist?)

 

[Xigger]

Funny, the same exact thread is in the Isabelle board.

Anyways, Ike was also called a clone when he was announced, but we all know better now. But for Isabelle, not everyone knows better yet.

 

[HenryZusa]

Yeah she's not an echo (clone), she's the Luigi for Villager, and she's fine like that. I didn't ask for her, yet I'm glad with her addition.

 

[Flamingbird]

Luigi is a semi clone of Mario.

 

[Kevandre]

She's also got the same final smash. I'd definitely put her at Lucas' level

 

[lucasla]

Clone, Semi-clone, Echo...

For me it's all copy and paste characters with variances. Like when you need to copy a homework from your friend and try to make things a bit different.
I dont care about copy-and-paste characters because I think the game provides enough different movesets anyway, and it's a way to add different skins of characters without consuming too much development time. Some of them are more similar than other but well.. if you dont play with the first one that appeared, you will probably not play with the copy-and-paste anyway...

 

[SmashBro99]

She's a semiclone, its hard to make up a full moevset for that thing, even when using her to promote the new game, sad.

 

[jwj442]

She's a semiclone, its hard to make up a full moevset for that thing, even when using her to promote the new game, sad.

She's not being used to promote a game. She's the mascot (more or less) of one of Nintendo's most popular series - Animal Crossing Switch will sell huge, it doesn't need Smash's help. And she has already appeared in Mario Kart and Monster Hunter in the past.

This board underestimates how big Animal Crossing is - the 3DS game sold around 12 million and adding a second rep makes perfect sense.

 

[SmashBro99]

She's not being used to promote a game. She's the mascot (more or less) of one of Nintendo's most popular series - Animal Crossing Switch will sell huge, it doesn't need Smash's help. And she has already appeared in Mario Kart and Monster Hunter in the past.

This board underestimates how big Animal Crossing is - the 3DS game sold around 12 million and adding a second rep makes perfect sense.

We don’t underestimate it, its popular saying its one of nintendo’s biggest series is reallllly stretching it lol, AC aint that big, needs that smash for sure it was a smart move

 

[Fenriraga]

We don’t underestimate it, its popular saying its one of nintendo’s biggest series is reallllly stretching it lol, AC aint that big, needs that smash for sure it was a smart move

>AC ain't that big

What planet are you from?

 

[SmashBro99]

>AC ain't that big

What planet are you from?

One where it is a secondary franchise *shrug*

Really trying to put it up there with Mario, Zelda, and others? Yikes i feel for you guys.

 

[Oddball]

It might not be Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon, but it's not too far belong them on the ladder.

 

[jwj442]

One where it is a secondary franchise *shrug*

Really trying to put it up there with Mario, Zelda, and others? Yikes i feel for you guys.

Animal Crossing New Leaf has sold more than any Zelda game, or at least any single platform SKU (though BotW Switch has a good chance to catch it eventually). It's not as big as Mario or Pokemon, but it's not that far behind.

Zelda is of course bigger in terms of hardcore appeal and more important for symbolic/marketing value, which is why it has six characters. But the point is that AC is a very important franchise to Nintendo at this point.

 

[SmashBro99]

Animal Crossing New Leaf has sold more than any Zelda game, or at least any single platform SKU (though BotW Switch has a good chance to catch it eventually). It's not as big as Mario or Pokemon, but it's not that far behind.

Zelda is of course bigger in terms of hardcore appeal and more important for symbolic/marketing value, which is why it has six characters. But the point is that AC is a very important franchise to Nintendo at this point.

Its definitely big, you just cant compare it to core franchises lol.

I mean, its much bigger in japan, so maybe if you said that..

 

[jwj442]

Its definitely big, you just cant compare it to core franchises lol.

I mean, its much bigger in japan, so maybe if you said that..

Fair enough. Yes it's probably accurate to say that in Japan Animal Crossing is A tier and Zelda is B tier (though Breath of the Wild did better than usual there, like everywhere), while in the west it's the other way around.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

As long as they have multiple similar moves and are from a similar studio/game, it's a semiclone. Even if you like Isabelle it's impossible to deny some of the lousiness they out into her. Sorry.

But it's not just the moves, it's also the playstyle. Isabelle seems to have the exact same playstyle as villager: Stage control, setups, lots of projectiles and a decent grab game.

And to clear up the "AC aint' that big" argument, yes, AC is pretty big, but the reason it's so bad in Smash is because it's literally all about helping people and making sure you can pay your rent. It's not a fighting game in any sort, nor a game with any combat at all. That's why there's limitations to creating an AC moveset and why Isabelle is a semiclone. They probably made her a full fighter an not an echo to promote AC 2019. IMO, AC is better represented away from being fighters and more by being assist trophies or tour items that help you.

 

[jwj442]

Even if you like Isabelle it's impossible to deny some of the lousiness they out into her. Sorry.

Lousiness? What exactly is the big deal here? It’s just a clone, something Smash has always had, and they will probably play about as differently as Ness/Lucas if not more.

And to clear up the "AC aint' that big" argument, yes, AC is pretty big, but the reason it's so bad in Smash is because it's literally all about helping people and making sure you can pay your rent. It's not a fighting game in any sort, nor a game with any combat at all. That's why there's limitations to creating an AC moveset and why Isabelle is a semiclone. They probably made her a full fighter an not an echo to promote AC 2019. IMO, AC is better represented away from being fighters and more by being assist trophies or tour items that help you.

The same argument could be used against ROB, Wii Fit, even Captain Falcon.

 

[xpnc]

One where it is a secondary franchise *shrug*

Really trying to put it up there with Mario, Zelda, and others? Yikes i feel for you guys.

Animal Crossing New Leaf sold more than every Metroid game put together. The series has sold slightly less copies than Kirby. It's one of Nintendo's main franchises.

 

[SmashBro99]

Animal Crossing New Leaf sold more than every Metroid game put together. The series has sold slightly less copies than Kirby. It's one of Nintendo's main franchises.

Metroid and Kirby are second rate these days, you still cant compare it to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, just go with “its a core franchise IN JAPAN” as that’s all there is to it.

 

[xpnc]

Metroid and Kirby are second rate these days, you still cant compare it to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, just go with “its a core franchise IN JAPAN” as that’s all there is to it.

Less than 4 million copies of the 12 million copies New Leaf sold were in Japan. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't big.

 

[SmashBro99]

Less than 4 million copies of the 12 million copies New Leaf sold were in Japan. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't big.

I liked the little bit of AC ive played, you are just delusional thinking its bigger than it is

 

[CleverDan]

I liked the little bit of AC ive played, you are just delusional thinking its bigger than it is

No one was saying it is bigger than it is. No one compared it to Mario or Pokémon before you. It's a younger series that's still growing in popularity, despite New Leaf selling more than the last Smash game. Including her would probably boost Smash sales instead of promoting her game. After the Big 3 franchises, other big names haven't had big sales, like Donkey Kong, Metroid, or Kirby. Animal Crossing, as well as Fire Emblem since Awakening, are some of Nintendo's biggest series right now. It's why they have mobile games along with Mario and Pokémon.

And saying it's "sad" they couldn't come up with a unique moveset for her is just as insulting for Luigi, Falco, Lucas, and any other semi-clone or Echo fighter.

 

[SmashBro99]

No one was saying it is bigger than it is. No one compared it to Mario or Pokémon before you. It's a younger series that's still growing in popularity, despite New Leaf selling more than the last Smash game. Including her would probably boost Smash sales instead of promoting her game. After the Big 3 franchises, other big names haven't had big sales, like Donkey Kong, Metroid, or Kirby. Animal Crossing, as well as Fire Emblem since Awakening, are some of Nintendo's biggest series right now. It's why they have mobile games along with Mario and Pokémon.

And saying it's "sad" they couldn't come up with a unique moveset for her is just as insulting for Luigi, Falco, Lucas, and any other semi-clone or Echo fighter.

Not too clever, you havent read the thread based on this post.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Metroid and Kirby are second rate these days, you still cant compare it to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, just go with “its a core franchise IN JAPAN” as that’s all there is to it.

Metroid is second rate, but not Kirby. If you compare sales to number of releases, Kirby is easily one of the Big Boys since it releases multiple games per year, each one selling better than games like Metroid or FE. Those are second rate games.

 

[SmashBro99]

Metroid is second rate, but not Kirby. If you compare sales to number of releases, Kirby is easily one of the Big Boys since it releases multiple games per year, each one selling better than games like Metroid or FE. Those are second rate games.

Thanks for the clarification, wasn't 100% on Kirby.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Thanks for the clarification, wasn't 100% on Kirby.

No problem
(Hype for Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn!)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Animal Crossing is a super huge series. Let's not downplay how big it is. It obviously doesn't appeal to everyone(and that's fine), but it's highly iconic and has been around for ages. It's rare to see people not recognize the series, especially a gamer. Yeah, it's not as recognizable as Mario or Sonic, but it never had the same cultural impact either. Definitely getting there, though.

Besides, a secondary series is going to essentially be nearly as big a main series. Secondary doesn't mean "barely there", it means second place. Second place is very very high up.

Also, will move it to the Isabelle forum after this post.