Isaac for Smash Ultimate - #GoldenSunday Shines Again!

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This is probably future-proofing, but we got two more spaces for DLC. Hopefully things will get better now.
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I saw this on the desktop website as well but it's been reverted to two slots now, Unless it can be confirmed by a mobile user that this still remains, they probably just hadn't gotten around to deleting two of the four preexisting question marks yet.

There's still the Adventure Mode slot datamine to hold onto at least. As long as we get even one more fighter pass, it'll have been enough time for hindsight to settle in and Nintendo to see the profitability in characters like Isaac/Geno/Waluigi/etc. Plus, Isaac would have the benefit of having the existing AT assets to work with to make development slightly easier.
 
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The Smash reveals made me so excited I had to make a tweet about it. Also Banjo's reveal can finally kill that argument that characters that haven't had a game in years and isn't from the NES era are not possible. Banjo hasn't had a game for 11 years for crying out loud
 

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We go back to waiting, however, I am super glad to see people taking this with an optimistic approach. Also no sign of Camelot this year which is undoubtedly good for us, 2020 will be a game full of challenges for Nintendo and I seriously hope they bring out all the fna demanded guns with their own IPs to compete with next gen PS and Xbox
 

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With Hero's and Banjo's reveals, I'm fully convinced that the Fighter Pass is all third-party characters. However, that doesn't rule out a second wave, maybe with less fighters, that could include first-party characters.

That said, I'm still in shock that Banjo made it. That is a slot well earned, and I'm excited to try him. Hero, on the other hand, doesn't excite me as much, but he looks super fun, and the MP mechanic is dope, so I can't wait to try him out soon.
 
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If nothing else today should prove to us why we should never give up. One of the biggest never ever characters got into Smash and broke like 5 fan rules in the process. We really need to maintain hope and keep pushing for Isaac. It may not happen often or quickly but Sakurai does give the fans who they want. We gotta make sure he knows Isaac is who we want to see next and no AT will change that.
 
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If nothing else today should prove to us why we should never give up. One of the biggest never ever characters got into Smash and broke like 5 fan rules in the process. We really need to maintain hope and keep pushing for Isaac. It may not happen often or quickly but Sakurai does give the fans who they want. We gotta make sure he knows Isaac is who we want to see next and no AT will change that.
XIII is right, yesterday proved without any doubt the fan-rules are completely bogus. Banjo never would have got in if the rules were in place. And I can promise the success of the Fighter Pass and the Ballot picks will prove that Nintendo should listen to the Smash fans far more. This is only good things for Golden Sun and Isaac's chances.
 
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Honestly, I'm starting to believe in Golden Sun resurgence sooner or later. It would have been a good time to display Mario Golf, but it didn't. Camelot is only on DLC for Ace now, but I can't believe the whole studio is working on that. Golf is certainly easier and quicker to do than GS. Remember that, at the end of the direct, they said they have other unannounced games to come.

Keep up the dream, adepts!
 
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The Hero's filename in the site is dq_hero, this was to avoid problems with anything else that has the filename that is just hero.

Isaac's Japanese name is Robin which was shared with Robin's English name, so if he is part of a fighters pass season 2, his Japanese filename in the site likely should be goldensun_robin.
 
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Great to see Banjo in. Irrelevancy arguments are a thing of the past. It's also great to see that Japanese twitter accounts also know of the demand for isaac as well. With what Sakurai said about voicing your support for a character as well as saying it's great for us to show support for said character back in November, we should continue to show our support for Isaac in smash and Golden Sun in general and be loud about it, but in a civil way of course.






https://twitter.com/luigi_jojo/status/1138578751913058304
 
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Something to understand about relevancy arguments; they were always irrelevant for 3rd parties. It was solely in the context of 1st parties. Golden Sun isn't out of the woods yet, unfortunately.

So nothing actually changed in the long run.

It does help to some degree, but not as much as people think it does(it means Sakurai is wiling to evaluate dead franchises, though to be fair, BK still was very active via merchandise, so maybe it wasn't treated as dead). K. Rool had zero effect on B&K, as they were in entirely different situations and contexts. Literally the closest things the two had at this point were ballot votes at best when it came to having a chance.

I don't mean to be a debbie downer, but people vastly misread what Sakurai actually meant by relevancy. He never said it was a criteria for 3rd parties. He in fact said it affected veterans too, but mainly was for Nintendo properties. It's a stretch to say he meant it for 3rd parties, when every single franchise in Smash among 3rd parties had consistent products around the time they were added, despite not being games. So... really, this isn't as useful if we understand the actual factor relevancy is referring to.
 

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The Hero's filename in the site is dq_hero, this was to avoid problems with anything else that has the filename that is just hero.

Isaac's Japanese name is Robin which was shared with Robin's English name, so if he is part of a fighters pass season 2, his Japanese filename in the site likely should be goldensun_robin.
It would probably be something like ont_robin, since the Japanese name of Golden Sun is "Oogon no Taiyou", and unless my theory of the whole series being launched as Golden Sun worldwide is correct, they'd label him with the Japanese name.
 
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Something to understand about relevancy arguments; they were always irrelevant for 3rd parties. It was solely in the context of 1st parties. Golden Sun isn't out of the woods yet, unfortunately.

So nothing actually changed in the long run.

It does help to some degree, but not as much as people think it does(it means Sakurai is wiling to evaluate dead franchises, though to be fair, BK still was very active via merchandise, so maybe it wasn't treated as dead). K. Rool had zero effect on B&K, as they were in entirely different situations and contexts. Literally the closest things the two had at this point were ballot votes at best when it came to having a chance.

I don't mean to be a debbie downer, but people vastly misread what Sakurai actually meant by relevancy. He never said it was a criteria for 3rd parties. He in fact said it affected veterans too, but mainly was for Nintendo properties. It's a stretch to say he meant it for 3rd parties, when every single franchise in Smash among 3rd parties had consistent products around the time they were added, despite not being games. So... really, this isn't as useful if we understand the actual factor relevancy is referring to.
If we're being honest, the far greater problem with Golden Sun remains that they have yet to announce additional Smash DLC. We have no reason to believe the Fighters Pass will contain anything other than third party characters at this point, so the primary concern is not whether Isaac qualifies to get in, but rather if there is even DLC for him to be potentially included in. I get the impression most Isaac fans accept that much, and if we do get that bonus DLC, talking about whether the relevancy argument applies in a world with K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie is certainly a worthwhile discussion.
 

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If we're being honest, the far greater problem with Golden Sun remains that they have yet to announce additional Smash DLC. We have no reason to believe the Fighters Pass will contain anything other than third party characters at this point, so the primary concern is not whether Isaac qualifies to get in, but rather if there is even DLC for him to be potentially included in. I get the impression most Isaac fans accept that much, and if we do get that bonus DLC, talking about whether the relevancy argument applies in a world with K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie is certainly a worthwhile discussion.
To be fair, he's a video game character. That's the literal qualifying thing.

But all the DLC were recent games or from a currently active franchise, so relevancy may still be a factor.

I don't believe the 3rd party only thing is close to being confirmed either. It's an okay theory, but that's it.
 

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To be fair, he's a video game character. That's the literal qualifying thing.

But all the DLC were recent games or from a currently active franchise, so relevancy may still be a factor.

I don't believe the 3rd party only thing is close to being confirmed either. It's an okay theory, but that's it.
Now that Banjo is in the game, are we really pretending that his series wasn't utterly completely dead up until now?
 

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Now that Banjo is in the game, are we really pretending that his series wasn't utterly completely dead up until now?
It wasn't. He had a crapload of merchandise and alive through Rare Replay. He's literally been advertised over and over before this.

Golden Sun is entirely unused in any official capacity. Not even some fun merchandise.

Not comparable in the slightest.
 
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It wasn't. He had a crapload of merchandise and alive through Rare Replay. He's literally been advertised over and over before this.

Golden Sun is entirely unused in any official capacity. Not even some fun merchandise.

Not comparable in the slightest.
'a crapload of merchandise' feels like an overstatement to me... Plus Rare Replay is just the same thing as Virtual Console which Golden Sun was present on...
 
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have people confirmed whether or not the 'Brave' codename thing was indeed for DQ or not?

'a crapload of merchandise' feels like an overstatement to me... Plus Rare Replay is just the same thing as Virtual Console which Golden Sun was present on...
yeah I was just about to say something similar
 

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'a crapload of merchandise' feels like an overstatement to me... Plus Rare Replay is just the same thing as Virtual Console which Golden Sun was present on...
It's not an overstatement. He's been getting a lot for a while now. The only merchandise that is gong to relate to Smash is the amiibo. The rest just showed he was still a highly sellable product, which is why it was so easy for him to get into Smash, just like Hero, Joker, and PP did. All from relevant franchises.

Rare Replay is an advertised and currently active product. Virtual Console has been dead for ages. Though it doesn't really matter either way as the merchandise made Banjo an active product, if you want to ignore "VC-type stuff".

Again, these don't work as comparisons. Banjo wasn't actually dead when added.

But that won't matter as much when you realize that the whole "relevancy" thing was never important for 3rd parties. It was solely important for 1st parties. So it doesn't matter that Banjo has been currently relevant or not. It has no bearing on Golden Sun's chances in any way. Let's not look for stretches to justify having a better chance of getting in. Our situation really didn't change. Because Golden Sun's situation is that it's a currently dead 1st party franchise. Something Sakurai rarely adds a playable character to. Key term being 1st party.

I'm an Isaac supporter and all, but I'm also realistic. I never apply false hope by comparing completely unrelated situations.
 
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When the fighter's pass was first announced, with Nintendo stated to be selecting the characters. I didn't have much faith that they'd put any long requested fan favorites in this pass. I expected quite recent characters and ones with games on the way to sell the pass. So Banjo was a complete surprise in itself.

Then Rare tweeted something that really hit at home.

"You asked. We listened. Nintendo were listening too, and we were happy to work with our old friends to make this one a reality. Banjo and Kazooie are coming to Super #SmashBrosUltimate!"

Banjo's here because the fans have been asking and Rare and Nintendo listened. This only served as motivation. At the end of the day, let's keep asking for Isaac no matter what.

I want that Ridley, K.Rool, and Banjo moment for Isaac so bad lol
 
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The fact that all 3 fighter's pass characters just so happen to be both third party and characters/franchises without any spirit representation makes me believe the next 2 characters will be much the same. I could be wrong and get bamboozled by Sakurai, and I certainly wouldn't be against eating that plate of crow if I get a character I want out of it, especially if it ends up being , heaven forbid, Isaac.

but yeah I'm leaning pretty hard into the next 2 characters being third party and currently spiritless reps.
 
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Going by what we’ve gotten I’m sure the final two characters in the Fighter Pass will be third party characters.

We need a second Fighter Pass announced. That’s really all there is to it. And we also have to hope assist trophies are something Sakurai would be willing to upgrade to fighter (in the same game).

I am still psyched though that after nothing in a Smash 4 we got quite a bit of GS content in Ultimate. And by the reaction Isaac got when revealed as an AT Nintendo knows people still care about the series.

Banjo was my second most wanted character after Isaac. I’m sooooo happy we at least got him in Smash.
 
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characters/franchises without any spirit representation
of course they're franchises without spirit representation, they're third parties

it'd be strange if they DID have non- protagonist spirits associated with them in base game
 
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of course they're franchises without spirit representation, they're third parties

it'd be strange if they DID have spirits associated with them in base game
To be fair, strings for Rare-owned IP were found in the data of the game, regarding spirits. It's possible they were test strings, but since they're found with Devil's Third, it's quite likely that Banjo/Rare content was meant to be in the base game.
 
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'a crapload of merchandise' feels like an overstatement to me... Plus Rare Replay is just the same thing as Virtual Console which Golden Sun was present
Agreed. Banjo got a figure a few months ago and everyone freaked out about it because he never gets anything.

And Rare-Replay is hardly Banjo content. Agree completely that you might as well count the VC as Golden Sun content.
 
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To be fair, strings for Rare-owned IP were found in the data of the game, regarding spirits. It's possible they were test strings, but since they're found with Devil's Third, it's quite likely that Banjo/Rare content was meant to be in the base game.
The Rare games that had strings in the game were games that Nintendo had the Japanese rights to. I assume they had to be cut to prevent the game from having any region-exclusive content, but it would be nice to see them show up on Banjo's spirit board.
 
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To be fair, strings for Rare-owned IP were found in the data of the game, regarding spirits. It's possible they were test strings, but since they're found with Devil's Third, it's quite likely that Banjo/Rare content was meant to be in the base game.
even then, they weren't actually available to be collected in the game, they were just in the code as dummy data. That's a bit different from what I'm meaning
 

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Agreed. Banjo got a figure a few months ago and everyone freaked out about it because he never gets anything.

And Rare-Replay is hardly Banjo content. Agree completely that you might as well count the VC as Golden Sun content.
Agreed. People were freaking out over said merch too. At one point they also announced merch for other characters, but people were dismayed that Banjo wasn't thrown in.
 
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of course they're franchises without spirit representation, they're third parties

it'd be strange if they DID have non- protagonist spirits associated with them in base game
I got to be honest, I'm not really sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying any franchise without playable representation in Smash that doesn't have spirits in Smash either already are all third parties, so bringing up the "spiritless" part with the "third party" parts was redundant?

because Shantae and Risky Boots spirits exist. While they could be considered Mario characters, Geno and Mallow are still third party and aren't playable.
 
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what I'm saying is that not having spirits from the current dlc franchises is a given, since they are third parties to begin with. It doesn't make sense to have spirits from those franchises before they're even playable.

The crux of the "spirits = disconfirm" argument is that a character cannot be a playable character if they're a spirit. Now, if we were to apply this logic to the current franchises as if they were first parties, it would mean that we'd have spirits from Persona 5 without Joker, spirits from DQ without the Heroes, and spirits from BK/Rare without Banjo.

Like say Saki was the fourth DLC character. That's fine and dandy, but if he didn't have a spirit while Isa Jo did that would look suspect as all hell

IDK about you but if you're looking for a reason to believe spiritless characters are the only candidates for first party, you're looking in the wrong place
 
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How many other first party IP’s are there that aren’t represented yet? I’m talking about IP’s that have multiple games and sold some decently big numbers.

Other than Golden Sun the only other big one that comes to my mind is Advance Wars (which is an amazing series as well). Maybe Custom Robo? But I’ve never played those games.
 
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