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No, it's just that we aren't always going to be active on the forums considering our character and that we don't always have the time. We do actually use this Board, just not at the levels of let's say Ganondorf.
. I check on here everyday at least once, it's just discussion is pretty low here. While I'd like to contribute more, I feel as though I need to improve more before I'm even in a position to offer advice.
It's mainly due to how he is not intuitive and also how his gameplay is not really movement based in comparison to other characters in a fast-paced game (he does still use movement, but he's one of the slower characters). It's also just the rise of the mid tiers in comparison to low tiers (both are still lower down than the high and top tiers, but people usually end up switching to a mid tier at least after maining a low tier) similar to how a player like Eikelman used to use Bowser so much but then switched to mainly Ganondorf. It also sucks when Young Link is outright better in certain matchups that people don't see Link as worth it. These tendencies aren't bad and can't be blamed for, but it still sucks especially when an iconic Nintendo protagonist has never been better than mid tier.
Yeah that too. It's hard playing essentially one of the last fundamentals based characters that you can possibly have success with that takes more time to develop than most.
i agree with what ya'll saying. one way i feel sometimes is that link is not actually mid tire, you just have to be on top of your game all the time if you play against good players, you have to be poised all the time. then you can focus on improving mindgames and execution. i rarely train in training mode, i just like going straight to online matches, i find it that i learned alot about what i can do there. but yea. i think i play much better with link than i play sheik. its just sometimes when there is a match up you dont know much about its tough... like jigglypuff, once he hit me with that uptilt i am done... so right now my main focus is to improve that match up. the rest just takes the best of your skills to win. i still got stuff to learn, like alot of people in here. but yea, i am happy to see people respond to my post thanks, if anyone want to play, just let me know. i go to smashladder.com when i got free time, i go as "TegoFuego" if you want to look for me and challange.On that note, let's talk about jigglypuff. The characters I lost to at TBH5 were jigglypuff and ICs. I think I know what went wrong against the ICs, so I'll leave that for another time.first, sorry for late reply, i actually thought i wouldnt get replys.lol but yea, i am glad there are people here who care about my boy Link
Does that do more than 22 damage? I keep meaning to test it, but forget lol.
As a puff main I have quite a bit of trouble with this matchup the amount of projectiles coming at me is too many and I a sword beats a foot 90%of the time. Once a puff gets above 100% Im horrified of uptilt and upsmash they hit a lot and although i can rest punish the upsmash sometimes puffs will get to impatient and just jump in to early the biggest thing in this matchup is the mind games and trying to find out when each character will go in and once you go in you have to commit if you dont you still get punished anyways. As a puff i ban Yoshis 99%of the time the other 1% is FD because of lack of platforms but puff dies so fast that yoshis is the worst for her. If you need more help on the matchup ill talk about rest punishes in my next comment.
It would be interesting to know which of dair and second hit f-smash is the stronger kill move. For my case, though, I am mostly concerned about %s where you will not be able to kill jigglypuff. I find 22 damage dair is not terrible, but it also doesn't really make puff scared of missing rests that much (compared to, say, marth fully charged tipper / neutral b, fox lasers, etc). It gets particularly rough if the jigglypuff goes for a lot of risky rest setups but doesn't really feel the recoil from the punish they get from missing.
I'm not too concerned with rest itself, I just find that jigglypuff can go for risky setups more often and it doesn't really matter since the punishes might not even matter. 22 damage is quite a bit, but potentially killing me at the risk of just 22 damage is a little bit lopsided. I feel like I can't make puff scared to go for rest setups unless they are last stock and at damage where dair will just kill them (which, to be fair, is at a pretty low amount of damage, but I mean Fox's up-smash does it better anyway).
If you need lots of help with the puff MU try watching Armada's Young Link Vs Hbox those are the best videos I could find. Even though it's not Link young link is pretty close and they should have the same shield pressure options.
For reference: Fox's upsmash kills Puff at 55% on FD with no DI while hitting at an 80 degree angle. Not sure if he could kill a little earlier but I know he can't at 50%. Using the knockback calculator, that is 193.24 knockback units.
Like other characters, Link could probably abuse shield vs. Puff since her grab isn't super threatening at a distance and she often commits to the air. PPU does a lot of shielding and fair OoS with Marth and while Link doesn't quite have the same speed or coverage with his fair, he does have good air movement and disjoint so it might be worth experimenting with. Wavedash jab and dash attack might also be good at dealing with fade aways.
I guess here's some use for the excel function that calculates vertical kill heights I just created today.
I have heard of this before, but I worry that it is easy to mess up (and mess with since there are multiple instances to DI and SDI) and it can even be dangerous (might be able to ASDI down and land from the boomerang hit and then shield your second hit f-smash which means you get punished).
This is a good trick to know, but to me its more about situation awareness than setting it up. so if you got a returning rang, fsmash is a good option, especially as you can use the returning rang to stop any OoS option from their side if the fsmash hits their shield instead of them.
Wouldn't it be possible to do boomerang (to get the hitbox of when it comes back) > charge fsmash, then use the first hit of fsmash, let the boomerang hit them and immediately do the 2nd hit of fsmash?
The one with the rang is totally possible.
I tested! it does 33% damage, and I believe would kill super early, as I did it on DK at 60% and he almost reached the bubble.
Interesting stuff, definitely something i'll add in eventually. Not too often i play against a good puff but probably worth picking up regardless.
It's also probably our best punish off of being rested as well, if we DI to die asap, we can respawn, come down with a rang that sweeps over her head, and charge fsmash.
We're like opposite on stages lol.
I'll test dtilt dair tomorrow, tho actually boomerang to fsmash is pretty easy cuz you can react to the boomerang coming back and release fsmash, the timing is actually self-made almost, to work, since if you are in front of her, jump and boomerang, then wait a spit second and start charging, you can get the timing =D
What little problems do you think there can be with boomerang > fsmash? :o
I'm thinking ASDI down might mess it up at certain percents and depending on how much charging you get to do - possible even just hold down at 0 and it results in a rest punish if you f-smash them (have to test though). ASDI down on the boomerang might make puff land before the second f-smash hit gets in (resulting in shield -> rest). SDI in general could make it miss, but you'd get the first hit f-smash at least. Though I think it would be less than 22 damage.
I tried smash DIng the boomerang, but its hard for puff to do so, because it has low kb...however, at 0% she will indeed be able to crouch cancel the upsmash, so as not to be hit, but it stops working fairly quickly.
Dtilt... seems to not be guaranteed? Do you mean dtilt dair off a missed rest? And what does this have to do with hitting the ground? Unless someone wants to inform me otherwise, I thought that SDIing a move from the ground to being in the air was not possible in Melee...
