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Is Sheik Luigi Worst matchup?
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EazyP
Smash Ace
Honestly, it's probably because the Sheiks I've played aren't that good but I don't think it's his worst match up, I have many more problems with Marth and his out spacing abilities on all the Mario clones (less on luigi though thanks to wavedashing and tornado)
Banks
Smash Hero
lol luigi is so gai but he gets p00nd by sheik
TheZeroFaReal
Smash Apprentice
Before advance techniques with Luigi, Sheik > Luigi. But it seems like if you know how a sheik plays, Luigi has enough priority to win the match. I think its still hard to win but easier than other characters. So many possibilities like Pwning the sheik's recovery after they land on stage you can stand up and Up-B. Sheik can gimp you though with needles and that gay grab to fair thing. It honestly depends on how you're playing your Luigi. Luigis who desperately want the shield grab will end up getting grabbed themselves. Faster Luigis can play at the same pace and take advantage of Sheik's Recovery by either racking up more damage or getting that kill.
Galt
Smash Journeyman
If you don't usually play against good Sheiks, by which I mean Sheiks who can actually place decently in tournaments, then you probably don't know just how terrible this matchup is. You have to play someone who is willing to be as evil and annoying as Sheik allows, which means completely needle-camping you the whole way. It's similar in that respect to G&W vs. Falco: a lot of bad players think G&W counters Falco, because he can get in some decent combos and can chaingrab. But if the Falco player knows anything, all he has to do is SHFFL d-airs the whole time, without even shining, and G&W can't do anything.
To win this match, all Sheik has to do is camp, grab, and use needles/b-airs off the edge. Against a good Sheik, Luigi should never be able to get back to the stage without a misfire, and sometimes even with a misfire. It's true that Luigi can do some real damage to her--but he has to be able to hit her first.
Second worst matchup... is probably a camping Falco, for many of the same reasons; it's not really too far behind Sheik, I'd say. Then Falcon, and from there it gets trickier. I, for instance, have trouble with Peach more than most other matchups.
To win this match, all Sheik has to do is camp, grab, and use needles/b-airs off the edge. Against a good Sheik, Luigi should never be able to get back to the stage without a misfire, and sometimes even with a misfire. It's true that Luigi can do some real damage to her--but he has to be able to hit her first.
Second worst matchup... is probably a camping Falco, for many of the same reasons; it's not really too far behind Sheik, I'd say. Then Falcon, and from there it gets trickier. I, for instance, have trouble with Peach more than most other matchups.
awsmsean
Smash Ace
sheik ***** luigi end of story.
nublet06
Smash Lord
sometimes its fun to talk about these things. but as time goes on i think to myself......why does it really matter? the only thing that comes down to me winning or losing is how good my opponent is. and how willing i am to dig deep down inside and be amazing.
just look at it this way.
Top tier of gay
sheik, jiggs, ganon, samus, marth, and from what i have begun to find out....Donkey Kong. are all really anoying to play against. some you cant combo for beans. some combo you like crazy. some just out space you all day long.
high tier of gay
Fox Falco Falcon
they can **** you. but you can **** them harder. the only difference is they can camp you and have much better stages.
and everyone else is like whatevers.
oh ywah and id put doc in the high tier of gay because of his edgegaurding. but good thing his recovery sucks balls.
just look at it this way.
Top tier of gay
sheik, jiggs, ganon, samus, marth, and from what i have begun to find out....Donkey Kong. are all really anoying to play against. some you cant combo for beans. some combo you like crazy. some just out space you all day long.
high tier of gay
Fox Falco Falcon
they can **** you. but you can **** them harder. the only difference is they can camp you and have much better stages.
and everyone else is like whatevers.
oh ywah and id put doc in the high tier of gay because of his edgegaurding. but good thing his recovery sucks balls.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Donkey kong? Are you kidding? Dthrow to any aerial...uthrow to low %s and own. I think your delusion. This match-up isn't as one-sided as you may believe.
But yea, Sheik ***** Luigi...end of story.
But yea, Sheik ***** Luigi...end of story.
nublet06
Smash Lord
well when you down throw and donkey kong DI's behind luigi. you cannot do anything.
and when you uptrhow, and donkey kong DI's behind luigi. you cannot do anything.
when you down smash, he crouch cancels.
when you approach with double aerial he up b's out of his sheild
and he just spaces with back air and pretty much camps. plus fireballs do nothing.
so considering you cannot start a combo on donkey kong. id say its pretty annoying matchup.
the only thing good about it, is once dk is off the stage. you jsut do a ledgehop down air with invincibility frames and he is dead.
and when you uptrhow, and donkey kong DI's behind luigi. you cannot do anything.
when you down smash, he crouch cancels.
when you approach with double aerial he up b's out of his sheild
and he just spaces with back air and pretty much camps. plus fireballs do nothing.
so considering you cannot start a combo on donkey kong. id say its pretty annoying matchup.
the only thing good about it, is once dk is off the stage. you jsut do a ledgehop down air with invincibility frames and he is dead.
Galt
Smash Journeyman
If DK DIs behind you, why not just turn around and f-air, just as you would if he DI'd in front of you? I've never found this to be difficult, especially since he's a big target and becomes very susceptible to up-B. If he's in the habit of CCing your approaches, let him CC an up-B or wavejab first.
max32090
Smash Ace
i think marth is harder for luigis
Eggz
Smash Hero
Like all top tiers pwn luigi. =[
Marth is Ka's favorite top tier matchup, if I remember right. Cuz he "has time to think" against him. Not sure if it's because Marth isn't as hard as the rest, or if its just because he enjoys it though.
Marth is Ka's favorite top tier matchup, if I remember right. Cuz he "has time to think" against him. Not sure if it's because Marth isn't as hard as the rest, or if its just because he enjoys it though.
coolhat
Smash Journeyman
what u should gather from this thread is every luigi player is going to have to outsmart every middle to top tier player in order to win
Eggz
Smash Hero
lol @ you randomly IMing be about matchups and having horrible arguments all the time. xD
Just sayin'.
well my opinion. Note it could be entirely wrong.
1.) I think ganon is a lot worse. All it takes is several hits and your dead and luigi doesn't really have any combos on Ganon as opposed to Ganon which has down throw into up-air or forward -air depending on di.
2.) The jab hurts luigi a lot and i have seen it randomly stop luigi's forward B.
Marth.. no idea for some reasons i do a lot better with my camping style-forward smashing marth instead of my sheik. Maybe because its easier to land grabs and his back-air and forward air are both great anti edge guarding tools. Most of all he doesn't get ***** as much by luigi's netural air when you want to juggle him with fair. WIth sheik i tried fair and ends up getting hit by netural air and pwned after ward....
1.) I think ganon is a lot worse. All it takes is several hits and your dead and luigi doesn't really have any combos on Ganon as opposed to Ganon which has down throw into up-air or forward -air depending on di.
2.) The jab hurts luigi a lot and i have seen it randomly stop luigi's forward B.
Marth.. no idea for some reasons i do a lot better with my camping style-forward smashing marth instead of my sheik. Maybe because its easier to land grabs and his back-air and forward air are both great anti edge guarding tools. Most of all he doesn't get ***** as much by luigi's netural air when you want to juggle him with fair. WIth sheik i tried fair and ends up getting hit by netural air and pwned after ward....
nublet06
Smash Lord
because when he DI's behind you he lands on the ground before you can even turn around......
im pretty sure im good enough at this game to understand how to combo, and i dont find an easy way to start a combo on dk. and since he doesnt die until like 200% you kind of need to combo him.
coolhat
Smash Journeyman
hee, hehh hahah HEHEH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
nublet06
Smash Lord
ahah yeah luigi has soem dirty combos on ganon.
and pretty good edgegaurding as long as you dont mess up. (it takes like an hour to edgegaurd him.)
and pretty good edgegaurding as long as you dont mess up. (it takes like an hour to edgegaurd him.)
Micheloxx
Smash Ace
isnt the worst but is one of em
LuigiTheButcher
Smash Journeyman
Luigi's only flaw...his recovery, if you got that down, I think its more like Luigi ***** ALL, especially Nair, just try to combo him and you'll get sent straigt up. The only problem I have with a shiek is the up airs making it hard for me to come down unless I use the down b to delay or hit. That or come at an angle.
Why do you post so much garbage?
Anyways for the Luigi mains out there AwesomeSean ***** esticle yesterday, Ka-master best be on the look outs haha ^_^
<333 Luigi
Rollz
Smash Apprentice
Even if Shiek owns Luigi, I would never let this discourage anyone from wanting to play the character they want.
awsmsean
Smash Ace
hah, I wouldn't call ninth place **** but thanks anyways. Kevin is also awesome.
C 3
Smash Ace
That's ROFL you're talking to!! show some respect! haha stupid Bernard
C 3
Smash Ace
Well said, well said.
C 3
Smash Ace
well said, well said haha
J.Shadows
Smash Champion
Luigi on Sheik isn't that hard it is a challenge but it's not Luigis worst match
Marth is probably harder than Shiek becauase his sword can like cancel any approach you conjure, but Shiek is definately a hard match.
My friend just started shiek and I play with Luigi to challenge myself. Shiek is faster, and after he gets a combo going I need to struggle to get out. Mindgames are always good though.
My friend just started shiek and I play with Luigi to challenge myself. Shiek is faster, and after he gets a combo going I need to struggle to get out. Mindgames are always good though.
Micheloxx
Smash Ace
minggames are good wito everyone XD, thats truth. But i think sheik is a harder match up, because, vs marth, i know its pretty hard because he`s range and all, but i use Ftilt a lot, and it works preeetty good, and downgrabs, mingaming him is the best u can do.. An error i see in a lot of luigis is that they spam bair, like, if it would hit em because of the range, all marth got to do is press a XD.. Sheik is harder because he is faster, a lot, and keeps u in distance with needles, grabs kills XD, and well, has a litlle more priotity than u XD
awsmsean
Smash Ace
All you have to do in this match up is react to all of ganon's attacks since he is so slow. Camp a lot, when you do get a hit him try to combo him like crazy, luigi ****s ganon up if he can get a hit on him. Don't get mindgames'd by ganon players that is what they rely on. Watch out for that up air, luigi's nair gets ***** by it so just try to stay on the ground and tech chase the **** out of that big slow ****er.The most trouble I have with match ups is mostly ganon. I get destroyed be F-air
beaver_evicerator
Smash Rookie
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I've found link to be a really hard character to play aginst as luigi.... I was surprised he is only mid on that list.
Marth isn't that tough. You just have to be patient and space correctly. Sheik is just stupid fast. A good sheik has quite a gay edge guard against Luigi. Also, sheiks grab game gives her a free aerial. Fair hits horizontal extremely hindering luigi's recovery. Sheik's upair out prioritizes nair, which just plain sucks.
IMO, if your Luigi vs Marth game isn't working, it isn't as much Luigi's as a worse character; It is your vs Marth strategy. Devising a strategy vs sheik is much harder. ROFL has his Marth guide, but you would be hard pressed to find a useful sheik guide.
IMO, if your Luigi vs Marth game isn't working, it isn't as much Luigi's as a worse character; It is your vs Marth strategy. Devising a strategy vs sheik is much harder. ROFL has his Marth guide, but you would be hard pressed to find a useful sheik guide.
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sheik fox and falco are all pretty hard on luigi, but yeah sheik is the hardest by a fair margin.
technomancer
Smash Champion
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So, how do you beat SHFFL F-air to Jab to SHFFL F-air to Jab with the squigi? Best bet is that WD F-tilt I guess, but that's CCville when it works and gets you grabbed so bad trade?
I mean seriously Sheik just has to be hyper patient and not get overagressive. There's no real reason Sheik should ever get hit in this matchup if the player is playing on top of his game. Take another trap: FH needles onto a platform, Isai Drop fair, jab, repeat. Luigi has to go through needle land just to eat the F-air, and if he goes over the top, he eats a backair. Sheik now just needs a 1% advantage to win by time, so Luigi has to approach and get pwnt.
And this is why Shiek should be banned, because she is the entirety of the reason that the low tier is low tier. Anyone without mega priority or a big grab gets boned absolutely by the option of needle cancels, the superfast superpriority jabs and tilts, and the forward air. Look at Doc - one of the few characters that can combo Sheik better than Sheik can combo him back, and it's still a one-sided **** matchup for Sheik; Doc has to know EXACTLY what Sheik is going to do to get any attacks off at all. The few characters that can reasonably fight Sheik (Fox, Falco, Falcon Marth, Ganon, Peach) all have some sort of spammable projectile (anti-camp), are for the most part fast as all hell, and have some way of getting grabs in (cept peach... but she gets ***** anyways).
Anyways sheik is a hooker and SSBM would be better off without her.
I mean seriously Sheik just has to be hyper patient and not get overagressive. There's no real reason Sheik should ever get hit in this matchup if the player is playing on top of his game. Take another trap: FH needles onto a platform, Isai Drop fair, jab, repeat. Luigi has to go through needle land just to eat the F-air, and if he goes over the top, he eats a backair. Sheik now just needs a 1% advantage to win by time, so Luigi has to approach and get pwnt.
And this is why Shiek should be banned, because she is the entirety of the reason that the low tier is low tier. Anyone without mega priority or a big grab gets boned absolutely by the option of needle cancels, the superfast superpriority jabs and tilts, and the forward air. Look at Doc - one of the few characters that can combo Sheik better than Sheik can combo him back, and it's still a one-sided **** matchup for Sheik; Doc has to know EXACTLY what Sheik is going to do to get any attacks off at all. The few characters that can reasonably fight Sheik (Fox, Falco, Falcon Marth, Ganon, Peach) all have some sort of spammable projectile (anti-camp), are for the most part fast as all hell, and have some way of getting grabs in (cept peach... but she gets ***** anyways).
Anyways sheik is a hooker and SSBM would be better off without her.