Is Roy Overpowered in Project M

[jasgx]

So my brothers trying to tell me Roy is OP so what do u guys think is he OP or Not

 

[turtletank]

Your brother just can't handle the PH1R3.

Take these kind of threads to character discussion.

 

[Burning Boom]

Not even close. Most people around here agree that he's about mid-tier. He was buffed significantly in the transition from Melee to Project M, but he's still nowhere near approaching broken-ness category.

 

[Paradoxium]

Roy is the perfect character, period. THE CHARACTER that represents Project M the best, pure perfection. I think hes good, but not op

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

If Roy is Op, then fox should be banned.
So no Roy ain't over powered.

 

[Handy Man]

No character in Project M is "broken". All of the characters take some degree of skill, tech, and knowledge to master, and even then, another character can have a matchup with your character that can make or break a match. That's what's so beautiful about Project M; there is no overall best character in the game, but there is a best character for your personal preference.

 

[Azureflames]

I hardly think he's broken by any means. He's fun and hes a lot stronger than he used to be imo. He's got some weakness in his recovery and a little bit on the predictability in his approaches. I know i personally have a lot of trouble with my friend cause he's pretty good at shield pressuring when he plays wolf. Similarly in a marth vs roy match i think hes almost always at a disadvantage if they know how to space and edgeguard. Id agree with burning, he's probably about mid-tier on the overall roster

 

[Mansta]

No guys, his SWORD makes fire, now tell me how that is not OP. Swords don't make fire Roy doesn't make sense.

 

[jeck95]

Roy is not op. Good, but not op.
His recovery is limited and he is the perfect character to get juggled.
Roy has some sick combos and pressure though.

 

[G13_Flux]

Roy is just very polarized. Once you learn how to exploit his recovery and combo-food traits then you start to realize that his insane combo and kill potential gets balanced out.

 

[arcticfox8]

Roy sux
Sux in Melee, sux in PM, sux in his own damn game, sux at life

 

[Shadic]

Your brother just can't handle the PH1R3.

Take these kind of threads to character discussion.

If you're really questioning if a character is too strong, another obvious place to go is the Tier List Speculation thread.

Thanks.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

shadic can i merge this with the one in the roy forums and reopen it

ily

ty shadic~

Edit: the thread redirect will delete itself in a day. I made an oopsie and don't know how to fix it.

 

[MLGF]

Roy has some fast ground attacks that also have good range and kill power.
But once other people start playing with air games then he becomes far weaker.

He's kinda like Wario's side B. Really good when you're just starting to pick the game up, but it becomes less and less awesome the more the game opens up.

 

[Brim]

Roy is nowhere near broken. The only possible broken thing about him now is he arguably has the most powerful Meteor in the game [ correct me if it's not a Meteor I often get the two terms mixed up ] since when you go through a platform and if your opponent is maybe at a little over 70% you can KO them through the ceiling blast-box with his Meteor. The power behind it is pretty awesome, but the sweet spot is kinda picky to hit properly . . .

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Roy is nowhere near broken. The only possible broken thing about him now is he arguably has the most powerful Meteor in the game [ correct me if it's not a Meteor I often get the two terms mixed up ] since when you go through a platform and if your opponent is maybe at a little over 70% you can KO them through the ceiling blast-box with his Meteor. The power behind it is pretty awesome, but the sweet spot is kinda picky to hit properly . . .

You talking about dair?

 

[Brim]

You talking about dair?

Yeah.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Yeah.

The hitboxes do 18%, have a BKB and KBG of 40/100 and a trajectory of 270 (meteor smash). Also the sweetspot is on his body and arm, but it's hard to hit with because the hitboxes on his sword over lap them slightly and take priority if someone's hurtbox manages to over lap both types of hitboxes.

 

[Brim]

The hitboxes do 18%, have a BKB and KBG of 40/100 and a trajectory of 270 (meteor smash). Also the sweetspot is on his body and arm, but it's hard to hit with because the hitboxes on his sword over lap them slightly and take priority if someone's hurtbox manages to over lap both types of hitboxes.

I wasn't necessarily asking for schematics, but thanks.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

thanks.

YOU'RE WELCOME

 

[Brim]

YOU'RE WELCOME

Ah, sorry for coming off rude, just didn't mean to ask for as much information as you gave. Honestly, I guess if anything I was mainly asking if Roy's dair was a Meteor Smash or Spike.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

it's k, I have something for those who actually bother with data like that soon(tm)

 

[Brim]

it's k, I have something for those who actually bother with data like that soon(tm)

Actually speaking of intensive information (well I guess, intensive depending on who you ask) I was always wondering, how is a Spike considered a Spike when a Meteor (correct me if I'm wrong by the way) can be cancelled? My only real information is that a Spike can't be cancelled.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Actually speaking of intensive information (well I guess, intensive depending on who you ask) I was always wondering, how is a Spike considered a Spike when a Meteor (correct me if I'm wrong by the way) can be cancelled? My only real information is that a Spike can't be cancelled.

That's pretty much it. Meteor smashes can be cancelled using a jump (these have trajectories of 260-280), but some moves in Melee (and Project M) have trajectories programmed outside this trajectory range (in P:M it's 630 I theorize which would send them down). The game looks at the trajectory and says "this isn't between 260-280 so now you can't jump out of it!" and thus a spike is born.

It's worth noting that very few moves (none possibly?) were spikes in Brawl, though Luigi taunt and a couple of other meteor smashes (Zelda dair, Ike dair) were so powerful that they might as well have been.

 

[Signia]

If anything he's not strong enough. What could possibly make up for such a dismal combination of worst recovery in the game, perfect combo weight/fallSpeed, and lack of out-of-shield options (no usable up-B, up-Smash, or instant aerial)? No projectile either.

Compare this to Falco, who is amazing at everything but has short recovery and is combo food. Except, his fall speed is so high it protects him from combos at 0%, and his recovery is actually amazing due to the options he has. Roy needs to be Jesus incarnate when he's in his effective range or he's too weak. He's like a glass cannon, except not as durable as glass, more like an origami paper cannon. He needs to be an origami paper missle silo, naddamean?

 

[Foxy K]

Origami Missile Silo

Yes

 

[JeezImSoBored]

Neither marth nor roy are played to their full potential yet. (check out Kadano's Advanced marth techs) Until then, they will remain "un-broken"

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Simple answer: No.

 

[Booster]

Yes he is, this isn't coming from someone who loses to him alot...I beat Giga Bowser Level 9 at 72% as Roy. He makes Meta Knight look like a pu$$y

 

[arcticfox8]

Yes he is, this isn't coming from someone who loses to him alot...I beat Giga Bowser Level 9 at 72% as Roy. He makes Meta Knight look like a pu$$y

That doesn't really mean anything towards his competitive standing
CPUs aren't as advanced as real players, there are gimmicks you can use to take advantage of CPUs. Also Giga Bowser is the easiest thing to hit.

 

[Booster]

That doesn't really mean anything towards his competitive standing
CPUs aren't as advanced as real players, there are gimmicks you can use to take advantage of CPUs. Also Giga Bowser is the easiest thing to hit.

He's also the heaviest, killing him at 72% shouldn't happen

 

[arcticfox8]

He's also the heaviest, killing him at 72% shouldn't happen

If you used a fully charged Flare Blade, that thing will almost never hit in a match between real players
If not idk what to say

 

[Booster]

If you used a fully charged Flare Blade, that thing will almost never hit in a match between real players
If not idk what to say

I didn't, I only charged it for 2 seconds xP

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

He's also the heaviest, killing him at 72% shouldn't happen

You could easily gimp him at zero.
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.
I think Roy is perfect as is.
He may be easy to use, but it's just as easy for him to get combo'd to oblivion by anyone else.

 

[Brim]

I didn't, I only charged it for 2 seconds xP

It's just very powerful. Considering the fact that Roy is almost a power character packed into a lightweight character (Maybe medium-weight...like I said correct me if I'm wrong). He honestly deserves it at this point.
Also, stupid question at moderators: Is censor dodging considered against the forum rules? I can't really find a yes or no answer, and I've been seeing more people doing so.

 

[LEGOfan12]

So my brothers trying to tell me Roy is OP so what do u guys think is he OP or Not

No, I don't think he's OP.

 

[DahremRuhar]

Yeah he's OP. Well, maybe not right now. But once Sethlon wins a national or something, he will be OP, if y'all get what I'm saying.

Everybody is secretly OP, and Project M is terrible and we should all play Brawl Minus instead.

 

[ShadowGanon]

Yeah he's OP. Well, maybe not right now. But once Sethlon wins a national or something, he will be OP, if y'all get what I'm saying.

Everybody is secretly OP, and Project M is terrible and we should all play Brawl Minus instead.

You just mad cuz he has a good MU against Ganon.

 

[DahremRuhar]

You just mad cuz he has a good MU against Ganon.

(picture of le funny maymay)

Yah got me mate. Everybody knows that Lucas is the only OP P:M character. And Ivysaur. And Mewtwo. And Pit. And the Space Furries. And Link. And X character that Y pro won with at Z national. And Gengar.

 

[ShadowGanon]

Yah got me mate. Everybody knows that Lucas is the only OP P:M character. And Ivysaur. And Mewtwo. And Pit. And the Space Furries. And Link. And X character that Y pro won with at Z national. And Gengar.

And don't forget Goldeen. But on a more serious note, Pit is the most powerful currently. He has a good MU against 90% of the cast including the other "OP" characters like Mewtwo, Link, and Zelda. It's like you gave a Jigglypuff a sword, a bow, magical bendy arrows, and the ability to glide.

Back on thread topic, though. In my opinion, Roy is like absolute mid tier (almost perfectly balanced). He has great combo ability if you can get in, good kill power if you can manage to land the hit out of a combo at higher percents, but a mediocre recovery to balance it all out.