Is cargo throw off stage situation dependent?

[Cello_K]

Hi, I was watching Yoda play a tournament match, and I noticed when he takes an opponent offstage he always jumps and forward throws. I feel like I have better luck with simply running offstage and down throwing. Is one flat out better than the other or are there situations that could call for both? There are a few factors that make this more complicated than simply testing which throw sends the opponent farther. I feel like by forward throwing it sends the opponent upward making it easier for them to DI up and not die, whereas downthrow sends them more horizontally. But I could be wrong. Also, does DK travel at a faster horizontal velocity by running offstage and falling or jumping offstage?

Thanks!

 

[IsmaR]

Velocity isn't what they're going for, typically they're trying to condition opponents to expect/DI a certain way, and then mix them up with a different, unexpected option. Cargo down throw is arguably the best for most scenarios (bar them being extremely high % or you having rage, where back throw will kill them off the top).

Could also be a missed input, as pressing A with no directional input will also do forward throw by default, IIRC.

 

[Cello_K]

Check out the :45 second mark and 2:40. I'm trying to figure out why an experienced DK player would use an inferior option. Am I missing something?


https://youtu.be/q50cj0Qp0nk


When you take someone offstage with cargo throw you are basically wanting to get as close to blast zone as you can without risking your opponent mashing out before you throw. You only have a couple seconds before a good masher escapes. So the question is which option is safer, jumping offstage and throwing, or simply running offstage and throwing. Additionally, which throw will more reliably KO the opponent?

 

[Big O]

To answer your question, the cargo forward throw (CFT) actually KO's earlier than the cargo down throw (CDT). Most of the time, the gimping potential of CDT outweighs the minor difference in KO power, but there are certain %'s where CFT will KO and CDT won't. If Yoda waited like half a second more it would have KO'd in that clip.

Another potential reason to go for the jumping CFT over the walk-off CDT is that if they break out you won't SD.

 

[krazyzyko]

Full jump off stage > foward throw has knockback so it will kill earlier than run offf d throw. So if you're certain your throws won't kill nor combo then go for the cargo d throw off stage so they have to recover from below and have less options.