MalachitJR
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Hey how did you upload that tier list on here? Like I know how to make it but idk how to copy the image and paste it here.
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Hey how did you upload that tier list on here? Like I know how to make it but idk how to copy the image and paste it here.
Depends on what tier list maker you're using. The one I used let's you save the image to your computer, and then you can attach the file (as seen on the bottom vvv "Attach files"). You then need to select "full image" to past the image in the actual postHey how did you upload that tier list on here? Like I know how to make it but idk how to copy the image and paste it here.
Neato thanks!Depends on what tier list maker you're using. The one I used let's you save the image to your computer, and then you can attach the file (as seen on the bottom vvv "Attach files"). You then need to select "full image" to past the image in the actual post
Hope that helps
Don't mind if I do...
Probably a lot of issues, feel free to roast the hell out of me for my decisions. I did almost no research.
Samus and Ike should go in Super Human, and Meta Knight should go in Advanced Human. And why is Pikachu so high up?
Probably a lot of issues, feel free to roast the hell out of me for my decisions. I did almost no research.
"Yoshi Boy?" Um, are you talking about me? I've been doing nothing but ****ing on Vs. debates and arguing Yoshi's canon strength.Overall, Yoshi Boy's list is cool but it lacks a little with these details, I personally think.
Excuse me, and yes that's you cause you always talk about Yosh being your boy It was the list of WertQuadNine . My mistake!"Yoshi Boy?" Um, are you talking about me? I've been doing nothing but ****ing on Vs. debates and arguing Yoshi's canon strength.
Thank youExcuse me, and yes that's you cause you always talk about Yosh being your boy It was the list of WertQuadNine . My mistake!
I do, cause Yoshi is quite damn durable as seen in Yoshi's Island and the likes. He's probably a little below Peach, but that's only because of SMRPG. Yoshi just lacks behind because of that, having no RPG appearance besides being a ride in SMRPG. Logically, he should be around Mario's level, but we haven't seen him do the same things Mario did just yet... Unless we count Paper Mario TYD's baby Yoshi? Cause again, logically, regular Yoshi should be stonger than that.Thank you
Also, you do at least consider my boi to be in "Standard Human" tier to be silly, don't ya?
The idea that Yoshi not being prominent in the RPGs and thus doesn't show the feats is unfortunately fair... *sigh*I do, cause Yoshi is quite damn durable as seen in Yoshi's Island and the likes. He's probably a little below Peach, but that's only because of SMRPG. Yoshi just lacks behind because of that, having no RPG appearance besides being a ride in SMRPG. Logically, he should be around Mario's level, but we haven't seen him do the same things Mario did just yet... Unless we count Paper Mario TYD's baby Yoshi? Cause again, logically, regular Yoshi should be stonger than that.
Yoshi is kinda hard to rate like this. He's implied to be equal to Mario, much like King Dedede being implied to be somewhat equal to Kirby, but doesn't show the same feats. Diddy also suffers from this slightly.
Can't Yoshi like magically survive bottomless pits (there's no scream when he's dropped)The idea that Yoshi not being prominent in the RPGs and thus doesn't show the feats is unfortunately fair... *sigh*
The first point I believe is only confirmed in Super Mario Galaxy 2 as you can sometimes see Yoshi reverting back to egg form before disappearing, so he's not actually dying in pits...Can't Yoshi like magically survive bottomless pits (there's no scream when he's dropped)
He has enough force in his kicks to keep himself airborne.
He can digest anything almost like Kirby.
And he can be reborn from an egg on death.
So I agree with you that he is at least advanced human as no peak human can fly by kicking the air.
Well when most Mario charcaters can walk beside a black hole, eat a mushroom and become kaiju sized, become invincible and throw bowser sized characters at least 10 meters. I would say they are fairly strong.Donkey Kong being stronger than Mario?
I mean, bu that, we'd have to retroactively scale Donkey Kong up to some pretty insane stuff if we believe that. Mario Galaxy did wonders for the series, and Mario Party too in terms of speeds feats and one notable planetary void feat for Bowser.
Reminder that Bowser made a vortex you fight him in that Peach somehow tanks along with Bowser at the end of SMG2. You have a creature described as being able to "ensnare stars" in it's webs as well as Bowser surviving the universal reset just barely. Granted, this is all from the Prima Guide, but that's the only sources we have for the vague story and it WAS approved by Nintendo so, meh.
Mario travels interstellar distances, and as does Bowser Jr. throughout the Galaxy games, with Rosalina's Observatory and Starship Mario - both of which Bowser was able to intercept and halt - are capable of traveling at clearly faster-than-light speeds. The Grand Stars also power various enemies and machines Mario fights, and we see the direct result of what happens when a Grand Star is plucked from these machines that used it for the wrong purposes in the ending of Galaxy 1 when the universe resets.
Yoshi making Raphael turn into a star or Kamek's magic turning him into one, however you want to interpret it, would also logically scale to the big man himself.
That "small" castle punt actually had quite the amount of space on the inside, and someone actually layed out the map and estimated its likely weight to garner a KE in the single-digit megatons, lest we forget these characters can get shot to the Moon, blasted across countries/islands (SMRPG and Odyssey), launched around the world or into deep space (Mario Party amd Galaxy, to an extent), survive a large castle explosion (Superstar Saga and one of the comics), and can apparently stop/slow time in a friendly tennis match as well as use a multitude of items that can make them incredibly resilient and overbearing as well as provide then with options for many scenarios. The RPGs and even "main" games even show they can store these items too.
Mario characters are not to be underestimated here.
This seems well thought of. Yet, Squirtle should be as strong as Jigglypuff and Pichu. I don't know what Pokemon Trainer would be as strong himself as the likes of Wario, speaking of Wario why is he lower than Wii Fit Trainer? Also, why is DAISY higher than Toon Link and Young Link? Why are Zelda and Sheik higher than Link, when Link is the Hero? Why is Luigi higher than Donkey Kong? Why put Corrin beyond the rest of the Fire Emblem characters when that should be Ike?My Tier List V2.2 (Courtesy of Smash Ultimate Tier List Maker)
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I made a B+ Tier because I felt uncomfortable seeing DK so low, but it also felt wrong to put him in A-. Mario and Sonic are moved down a tier because the rules of this list means they don't have access to powerups, or, in many cases, things like Chaos Emeralds. I also made a few smaller changes, like ordering everyone by series.
Donkey Kong also freely walks in space in Jungle Beat.Donkey Kong being stronger than Mario?
I mean, bu that, we'd have to retroactively scale Donkey Kong up to some pretty insane stuff if we believe that. Mario Galaxy did wonders for the series, and Mario Party too in terms of speeds feats and one notable planetary void feat for Bowser.
Reminder that Bowser made a vortex you fight him in that Peach somehow tanks along with Bowser at the end of SMG2. You have a creature described as being able to "ensnare stars" in it's webs as well as Bowser surviving the universal reset just barely. Granted, this is all from the Prima Guide, but that's the only sources we have for the vague story and it WAS approved by Nintendo so, meh.
Mario travels interstellar distances, and as does Bowser Jr. throughout the Galaxy games, with Rosalina's Observatory and Starship Mario - both of which Bowser was able to intercept and halt - are capable of traveling at clearly faster-than-light speeds. The Grand Stars also power various enemies and machines Mario fights, and we see the direct result of what happens when a Grand Star is plucked from these machines that used it for the wrong purposes in the ending of Galaxy 1 when the universe resets.
Yoshi making Raphael turn into a star or Kamek's magic turning him into one, however you want to interpret it, would also logically scale to the big man himself.
That "small" castle punt actually had quite the amount of space on the inside, and someone actually layed out the map and estimated its likely weight to garner a KE in the single-digit megatons, lest we forget these characters can get shot to the Moon, blasted across countries/islands (SMRPG and Odyssey), launched around the world or into deep space (Mario Party amd Galaxy, to an extent), survive a large castle explosion (Superstar Saga and one of the comics), and can apparently stop/slow time in a friendly tennis match as well as use a multitude of items that can make them incredibly resilient and overbearing as well as provide then with options for many scenarios. The RPGs and even "main" games even show they can store these items too.
Mario characters are not to be underestimated here.
Squirtle is athletic enough to justify being in the tier he is. I moved Puff up a tier because I don't think she's that weak, though she is on the lower end. I don't know much of what Daisy has done, so I originally put her with Peach. For Link, I'm only using his BotW incarnation, who is only somewhat superhuman in the things he can do. Also, Ike only killed a goddess by specifically channeling the other goddess' power, something he normally can't do (which is why it's a cutscene), and it's using help by others, which is why he is with the other FE characters. Corrin is the only FE character with superpowers without his sword (being a dragon), which is why he's above them.This seems well thought of. Yet, Squirtle should be as strong as Jigglypuff and Pichu. I don't know what Pokemon Trainer would be as strong himself as the likes of Wario, speaking of Wario why is he lower than Wii Fit Trainer? Also, why is DAISY higher than Toon Link and Young Link? Why are Zelda and Sheik higher than Link, when Link is the Hero? Why is Luigi higher than Donkey Kong? Why put Corrin beyond the rest of the Fire Emblem characters when that should be Ike?
The only goddess I'm aware of is Palutena, but being a goddess doesn't say much. I've yet to see evidence that Rosalina was responsible for resetting a universe. Funnily, she's never referred to as a god or goddess, yet certain fans push this notion. On the other hand, Palutena is referred to as such, and so is Hylia. Then there's Kirby, whom I have yet to see even swallow a universe.Just to put things in perspective, don't forget the actual goddess, the space princess that can reset universes, and the salmon pink gumball that can eat them.
He might be able to deal with blunt force for some time, due to his squishy body and seemingly lack of internal organs and skeletal structure.Kirby excluded, he does some things, but he isn't exactly very durable.
I'm not even interested in a tier called "peak human". I'm simply using top, high, mid, low, and bottom. So, I'm not sure where this other type of tier list came from.And lol @ "peak human" tier rating. These characters take cruel beatings that could kill any man, well trained soldier or not. Those tier names need adjustments.
Fierce Deity has only shown the ability to fire energy beams from his sword. They're powerful, but I'm not sure how well they'd do against the more powerful characters.Anyway, Young Link is probably the strongest Link due to having the Fierce Diety Mask.
I've heard of Ike being pretty powerful in previous threads like this, but I'm not familiar with Fire Emblem. If you are, and it seems you are, I'd appreciate more information about these characters. Nihil negates the skill of enemy units. What are these skills, exactly?Ike and Corrin are the strongest Fire Emblem characters by raw force. Ike WILL have a edge over the modern Lords because of Nihil. Lucina or Chrom won't be able to activate Aether against Ike, but Ike WILL be able to Aether their faces. Same story with Corrin and Dragon Fang. Plus, Ike killed a Goddess. He's insanely strong and would probably beat Ganondorf as well.
Donkey Kong at least demonstrates some serious resistance to blunt force and is pretty strong. I'm not sure how much one can get from the Moon feat, since it is mostly comedic. The Moon literally is launched back into place after it lands on DK Island. If necessary, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong can have access to banana juice for the additional defense.DK and Diddy Kong are also stronger in canon than Mario. Otherwise, explain Mario vs Donkey Kong. Mario doesn't wanna face DK straight up. Why? He's outclassed. Jungle Beat only further confirms this, and this is what puts DK ahead of Diddy as well, as it gives DK more raw strenght and way more durability. Diddy is still more atletic however, dodging straight canonball fire from Kaptain K.Rool. Speaking of K.Rool, he can survive being thrown of the top of Crocodile Island (bouncing a couple times against the ground on the way down and being bitten by sharks when he finally falls into the water as well), I say he's crazy durable.
About Mewtwo's Recover, how would that translate to a real-world perspective? It doesn't appear status effects are removed by using Recover, so what exactly is being recovered?RBY Mewtwo with Amnesia, Psychic, Recover and a filler move is still pretty much unbeatable I honestly think. Amnesia will make it more durable against non physical moves for example, and if he deals with a physical attacker, hey here is Barrier. Psychic is already crazy powerful in RBY, and psychics in general are Top Tier in terms of fictional power rankings. Recover will heal 50% max HP, Amnesia doubles the power of Psychic by one use and doubles resistance against non-physical attacks, and Barrier protects against physical attacks. Give Mewtwo 2 "turns" and you are dead. It doesn't help it's able to fly as well, as seen in Pokemon Stadium. Mewtwo needs to be KO'd fast, by someone faster and stronger than him, and I doubt many are able to do so.
Although this would depart from the Pokémon that Pokémon Trainer has in SSB, I was thinking the current starter Pokémon, rather than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. However, certain starter Pokémon might be better in stats than others, so whichever generation had the best starter Pokémon, PT has access to them in their fully evolved forms. I'm not going to assume PT has three other Pokémon with him because anyone can assume that.Now lets talk about Pokemon Trainer. Cause what is he allowed to have? Does he have acces to ALL Pokemon? Or just Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard? Cause that's kindddd of a deal breaker here.
There was a video I watched recently about Mother 2 and how Ness achieves a higher level of psychic power, due to his trials he goes through. Ness has psychokinesis, since he was able to move his bottle when he was a baby. He can even use telepathy. Porky mocks Ness by telling him to use it during the final battle. It was the same emotion that Giygas experienced in Mother 1 that defeated him, not God. Although, what's interesting is that Paula's prayers could be heard by people in the future.About Ness, yeah he's crazy strong and durable and has crazy OP PSI attacks, but that wasn't enough to stop Giygas by himself, when Giygas was at his argubly weakest. Literal GOD beat Giygas in the end, or such is implied through Paula's prayers. Ness is still pretty damn powerful though and I wager he's around Samus' level of power, if not stronger. He needs more time to prepare than Mewtwo and set his PSI up, so that's a problem.
I'm not sure what lacking a scream has to do with surviving. I'm not sure how one would determine force from using a flutter kick to maintain being airborne. This isn't always consistent, though. In the New Super Mario Bros. and U, Yoshi can only flutter kick in the air once. Kirby's ability to digest anything is limited, it seems. I could be incorrect, but certain spiny characters cannot be swallowed.Can't Yoshi like magically survive bottomless pits (there's no scream when he's dropped)
He has enough force in his kicks to keep himself airborne.
He can digest anything almost like Kirby.
And he can be reborn from an egg on death.
So I agree with you that he is at least advanced human as no peak human can fly by kicking the air.
Mario Party isn't canonical, so it's not accepted.Mario Galaxy did wonders for the series, and Mario Party too in terms of speeds feats and one notable planetary void feat for Bowser.
Let's consider something here. If a vortex that Bowser and Mario are in aren't ripping them apart, even though they're vulnerable to forces lesser than what you think the vortex is producing, then there's no reason to think this vortex is very forceful. Or, the force is the greatest at the center.Reminder that Bowser made a vortex you fight him in that Peach somehow tanks along with Bowser at the end of SMG2. You have a creature described as being able to "ensnare stars" in it's webs as well as Bowser surviving the universal reset just barely. Granted, this is all from the Prima Guide, but that's the only sources we have for the vague story and it WAS approved by Nintendo so, meh.
There's a lot of liberty in developing these games, none of which appear to be scientifically accurate. Their concept of a galaxy is nothing like what you or I think, for example.Mario travels interstellar distances, and as does Bowser Jr. throughout the Galaxy games, with Rosalina's Observatory and Starship Mario - both of which Bowser was able to intercept and halt - are capable of traveling at clearly faster-than-light speeds. The Grand Stars also power various enemies and machines Mario fights, and we see the direct result of what happens when a Grand Star is plucked from these machines that used it for the wrong purposes in the ending of Galaxy 1 when the universe resets.
Mario Party and Mario Tennis aren't allowed, since they're not canon. We're not using comics, either. Although, that will help me add some more rules. I once had a list, but I couldn't recall them because I deleted them. Making a tier list seems pretty difficult, especially with the amount of characters in SSBU. Anyway, you're saying a lot, which I suspect could be taken prima facie. My problem with the Mario series is its inconsistencies. To illustrate, in some games, Mario can swim underwater indefinitely. In others, he'll drown. In Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins, Mario couldn't survive in space without a spacesuit. In Super Mario Galaxy, he can. Before Mario can even be given any feats, I think you need to consider the inconsistencies, rather than just promoting the "good" aspects.That "small" castle punt actually had quite the amount of space on the inside, and someone actually layed out the map and estimated its likely weight to garner a KE in the single-digit megatons, lest we forget these characters can get shot to the Moon, blasted across countries/islands (SMRPG and Odyssey), launched around the world or into deep space (Mario Party amd Galaxy, to an extent), survive a large castle explosion (Superstar Saga and one of the comics), and can apparently stop/slow time in a friendly tennis match as well as use a multitude of items that can make them incredibly resilient and overbearing as well as provide then with options for many scenarios. The RPGs and even "main" games even show they can store these items too.
Mario characters are not to be underestimated here.
What do you mean? I'll make changes to the rules if necessary to accommodate every character and make it fair.By the way: Friendly reminder that one of the rules states that macguffins pretty much aren't allowed and Sonic's most notable form that even allows him to be brought up in most debates comes fron such things which would be against the rules.
Please find another reason why you consider him high, if you do.
You mean without outside help? He won't have the power of flight from Palutena or Viridi, but he can use the three sacred treasures.What can pit do with outside help?
Link is a sum of his allies, as he is typically just a normal-ass dude whose power is courage. He only gains legitimate power through the items and gifts from people along his journey, while Zelda is typically shown to have magical powers herself.Squirtle atletic? Only in Smash dude... Pichu already beats it with speed.
Still don't get how you rank Link behind Zelda and Sheik. How come Link got to play the Hero part then? Zelda can barely do stuff on her own.
That's why she should be in the SS Tier alongside Shulk. She's probably the most powerful Mario character.Rosalina is a realty warper / immortal / can reset universes and therefore timelines. She also can change her size / teleport etc. Definitely the strongest canon character as she can shield others from a Universal Crunch (look up Big Crunch theory space etc.) while being immune herself.
He doesn't really FIGHT Giygas though. He just kind of...hangs out there until the universe decides to stop Giygas for him.-went toe to toe with Gigygas who became one with the universe