Foxy K
Smash Journeyman
Ok guys, anyone know anything about the Peach matchup? I know it's rough, but what is our best avenue of success against her?
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The same as in Melee.Ok guys, anyone know anything about the Peach matchup? I know it's rough, but what is our best avenue of success against her?
You can space out the FC Fair then punish with a Wavedash Fsmash,Grab, and desync blizzards/Upair or SideB/Quick Nair. DJC nair just OOS wavedash Jab to grab,Uptilt juggles or Ftilt, and Dash attack. Dash attack i can OOS wavedash CC down smash or Shield Grab. For edgeguarding just try to stay center stage. Avoid turnips or catch them.For Peach dsmash roll away from her.Ok guys, anyone know anything about the Peach matchup? I know it's rough, but what is our best avenue of success against her?
I second this request. Link as well. We can't outcamp them and I don't see how we would get past the projectile wall since we're not really built for that either.I need help in the ice climbers vs toonlink?
Link is haaaaard. Don't bother with desynch walls or anything like that because his walling game with boomerang is just better. Try to stay on top of him with jabs//dsmash etc. Link can shut down any of your approaches with fsmash lolI second this request. Link as well. We can't outcamp them and I don't see how we would get past the projectile wall since we're not really built for that either.
OOS wavedash more or jab quickly before he use that move, Use a lot of dash attack or get below him for Upairs or Uptilts. For tilts just space correctly to shield grab or CC grab/ or Dsmash Fsmash. This is important to camp him so make sure you use desync or not Bilzzards. Dont really use ice block because he can just hit it away with his disjointed hitbox.So how do you guys feel about the Roy matchup? I try to play it the same as Marth, but his down tilt is annoying. It pops us up instead of away, so I feel more vulnerable when I get hit by it.
I fight a Toon Link with ICs quite often, and I think it's in the IC's favor, probably about 70:30. They can edgeguard TL fairly easily, and TL can't edgeguard them as easily as some other characters can. They outrange most of TL's moves, and wavedash grabs work well. Also, Sopo has lasting chaingrabs against him.Toon Link more or less the same? I got beat by a less skilled player than me who went TL after our first match, and I had to switch to Fox.
A) I don't really know what I'm talking about, B) My suggestions should be testedHow do you deal with Sonic spin attacks and Yoshi egg roll?
IDK about Luigi but record some yoshi stuff.Went to a tournament a few days ago, got blown up by a Luigi and a Yoshi.
Luigi is a ******* because he's extremely hard to combo due to his floatiness and ability to "Zelda" you and interrupt your juggles with fast, strong aerials. I also found him very difficult to edgeguard since he can come back from just about anywhere he doesn't die outright and has the ability to control exactly how far he is from the ledge, ultimately sweetspotting his up b just right, every time. Wasn't sure what to do about that, tips? I feel like it's very important to land chain throws on him since he can't be normally comboed, but I found him hard to grab. I think I need to shield grab him in the middle of his tornado (which he used to approach a lot), but I don't know. Has anyone had success with that?
Yoshi was possibly even worse. I usually bully people with my ability to throw out double hitboxes, especially through grabs (because people still try to grab me lol) and poorly-spaced projectiles. But Yoshi goes right through all of that ****, so I'm not sure what to do about that. I usually try to corner people and use Nana blizzards to shut down approaches and land grabs, but Yoshi doesn't care about blizzard. Any tips for him? Should I try to ice block camp him or something?
I have never played Ics vs Olimar that much but i can try so here we go.
Olimar really likes to use/throw hes pikim right, i think the right thing to do is to blizzard/iceblock desynch camp or ftilt to stop them annoying pikims. After he runs out of pikim go after with Jab to grab, Desynch blizzard, (Both ics) Nair or nice space fairs for aerials i like that alot. He shouldnt go for grabs since theirs two of them and he might get smash attack. If he goes for aerials try to dash attack and wavedash under him then Upair or Uptilt Spamming. Avoid platforms because of Upair and also you should go for alot of grabs since Olimar spotdodge isnt that good and if he rolls you can just dsmash punish, Hes wavedash isnt that good either. Hes light so i could kill him with a grab combo like dthrow + upsmash, upthrow + bair, or upthrow + fair. The stage i would avoid is fod and dl. Best stages Yoshi, Halbred, BF, and Skyloft lol
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I don't know a lot about this matchup.
But I do know that Olimar's N-Air is pretty much a free ICs separator. SHFFL N-Air is very effective against ICs.
Other than that this is kind of a bait and punish thing. And get Purple. Purple goes through everything, like always.
Also Olimar's spotdodge is good. His roll is not though.
They aren't getting brawl handoffs. I think their neutral game is fine. It's their punish game that needs worksCommunity: advice on ( ) match up?
Community: nana 1 frame link hard
Community: game is hard
Me: wait till 3.5 the hard times won't be as hard. The ICs are missing things that would make them..viable. I hope IC get the brawl hand offs, and a buffed neatral game. If they don't at least get the buffed neatral game, they are still gonna suck.
My item play is not stellar. Do you have any other advice for bananas?Link is extremely hard, as is Diddy Kong. The Game&Watch matchup seems to be even.
For projectiles in general, if they are fired from distance thats often the time you need to initiate a spot dodge desync.
Ice Blocks can scan for mines. A healthy amount of B buttons should render Snake's dsmash nearly useless. Snake also generally doesn't like people too close to him, kinda like the Zelda match-up. Find the "pocket" between ranged and point blank and bait out on opening.Any advice on the Rob or Snake matchup?
Ic's do well against Zard unless Zard platform camps with nair, and just abuses nair in general, and then it's hopeless for IC's. IC's would do well against most zards though as few people play that way.apparently in the charizard boards; people are throwing around ICs as a bad match up for zard...i don't see it