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I want to get better but I cant really tell what I'm doing wrong

Xatost

Smash Rookie
Joined
Sep 16, 2018
Messages
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I just get trashed by most players on for glory, my win rate is at 42% and while I don't think I'm terrible there is a lot I know I'm doing wrong but since there is no real local competitive scene where I live and I very rarely play with anyone in person I have no real way to know my mistakes or to practice outside of online.

The lag is obviously a factor but even without that I tend to be sloppy, either I enter autopilot mode or my patience starts to run out causing me to not play smartly.
I also dont know If the players I go against are legit really good or if I'm just below average. I play on the 3ds.

What can I do to improve? Should I just continue to play online? I have read guides and watched videos but even with that I dont think I'm improving much if at all.
What frustrates me the most is that I have played since smash 64 but I have never been able to be even above average.

Any tips would be appreciated.
 

Crystanium

Smash Hero
Joined
Apr 28, 2008
Messages
5,921
Location
California
What's your opponent's character weakness?
Cloud's recovery, for example, is subpar and linear. Take advantage of this to win.

How does your opponent recover?
Your opponent recovers high or low, or if your opponent is Fox/Falco/Ike, he might recover by using forward specials.

How many jumps does your opponent have left?
Kirby and King Dedede have multiple jumps, but most characters only have two and one up special. Using up special for most characters isn't safe as an option for jumping. If your opponent has one jump, wait for that jump.

Does your opponent air-dodge a lot?
Wait for your opponent to air-dodge. Lure him to dodge if he's above you on-stage, or see how he responds off-stage.

Does your opponent roll a lot?
See how your opponent rolls and which direction he rolls often. Does he roll left, then right or right, then left, or both? Don't roll with him.

Do you try to spike your opponent off-stage?
If not, you should probably learn to do this. You can make it easier to win.

Are you chasing your opponent?
Some players use characters who require spacing and zoning. It might be difficult for you to win if you don't know how to deal with an opponent who is constantly running off. Learn to pick up another character who you find comfortable and enjoyable who can deal with these types of players.

Know how to set up combos with your main.
If you have a main who requires set-ups, it's best to learn when to use those set-ups. When your opponent lands, that is typically one way to set up a combo by first going for a grab. With a character like Zero Suit Samus, you'll want to use your neutral B and d-smash and properly space these. You'll also want to be sure that when you go for a grab, that you time it right so you don't run past your opponent and miss the grab.

Know how to combo.
Zero Suit Samus might be known for her ladder combo, but that's not all she is, and even if your opponent is anywhere between 30% to 50%, don't feel that this is all you can do. If you can ladder combo, do so. Practice it so it becomes second nature.

Use effective zoning tools.
If you main Zero Suit Samus, learn to z-air properly to space. If your opponent gets close, switch to n-airs or even b-airs. Be sure to short hop and fast fall. Make sure you're at a distance that allows you to avoid getting grabbed.

Look at your opponent's character.
If you're looking at your own character when playing, you're going to miss out on what your opponent is doing. You need to know what your opponent is doing. Look at your opponent's character.

Have fun.
Seriously. Have fun. If you're getting frustrated, that can affect how you play.

Accept loss.
Everyone loses. The important thing is to take your loss as a learning experience. When you lose, don't let it discourage you. Your opponent isn't learning anything by winning.

Save and watch replays.
Write down what you did correct and what you didn't do correct. This helps you keep in mind what you can do next time you're in a similar situation, or if you're even not in a similar situation. If you did a falling air-dodge and got punished for it, just make sure you don't do it again. A falling air-dodge is when you're falling and you air-dodge, obviously. This typically causes you to land onto the stage, which can mean a win or loss depending on how close you are to your opponent.

Play online and practice.
If it gets laggy, leave the person you played. If it continues to lag, it might be you. If you decide to practice against a computer, leave the computer at level 3. Don't fight level 9 computers. Their AI doesn't adapt to the degree that human brains do. What you want to do then is practice with your main. Don't worry about the computer fighting back. That's not what you're practicing. You're practicing so your brain processes and ingrains your new skills.
 
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Uffe

Smash Hero
Joined
Jun 14, 2008
Messages
5,500
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Fresno
Stop focusing on your win to loss ratio, because you'll only further demoralize yourself. And if you're like me, it might be inaccurate because I SD if I see or feel lag. If you have nobody else to play with, continue playing online. There isn't anything wrong with doing so, especially if you've got no other way to get better. I would say to get Sm4sh for the Wii U, but I don't know you personally, so there may be a reason you haven't bought that yet. Good news is that even if you play on the 3DS, everything you know already is easy to apply on the home console, so if you could go to a tourney, you'd be fine.

If you're watching videos, are they of the character you main, and do you write the information down of what the person you're watching is doing in terms of approaching, get up ledge options, combos? Are you playing predictably? In fact, are you watching what your opponents patterns are? How many hours a day and week do you play this game? And it doesn't matter if you've been playing Smash since the 64 days, because you're not playing Smash 64. Don't compare yourself to others, but instead try to be better than them. Jump on Anther's Ladder and try to find people to play on there. Whether you win or lose, ask them if they have any advice for you to improve.
 

Russell_SSB

Smash Journeyman
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What's your opponent's character weakness?
Cloud's recovery, for example, is subpar and linear. Take advantage of this to win.

How does your opponent recover?
Your opponent recovers high or low, or if your opponent is Fox/Falco/Ike, he might recover by using forward specials.

How many jumps does your opponent have left?
Kirby and King Dedede have multiple jumps, but most characters only have two and one up special. Using up special for most characters isn't safe as an option for jumping. If your opponent has one jump, wait for that jump.

Does your opponent air-dodge a lot?
Wait for your opponent to air-dodge. Lure him to dodge if he's above you on-stage, or see how he responds off-stage.

Does your opponent roll a lot?
See how your opponent rolls and which direction he rolls often. Does he roll left, then right or right, then left, or both? Don't roll with him.

Do you try to spike your opponent off-stage?
If not, you should probably learn to do this. You can make it easier to win.

Are you chasing your opponent?
Some players use characters who require spacing and zoning. It might be difficult for you to win if you don't know how to deal with an opponent who is constantly running off. Learn to pick up another character who you find comfortable and enjoyable who can deal with these types of players.

Know how to set up combos with your main.
If you have a main who requires set-ups, it's best to learn when to use those set-ups. When your opponent lands, that is typically one way to set up a combo by first going for a grab. With a character like Zero Suit Samus, you'll want to use your neutral B and d-smash and properly space these. You'll also want to be sure that when you go for a grab, that you time it right so you don't run past your opponent and miss the grab.

Know how to combo.
Zero Suit Samus might be known for her ladder combo, but that's not all she is, and even if your opponent is anywhere between 30% to 50%, don't feel that this is all you can do. If you can ladder combo, do so. Practice it so it becomes second nature.

Use effective zoning tools.
If you main Zero Suit Samus, learn to z-air properly to space. If your opponent gets close, switch to n-airs or even b-airs. Be sure to short hop and fast fall. Make sure you're at a distance that allows you to avoid getting grabbed.

Look at your opponent's character.
If you're looking at your own character when playing, you're going to miss out on what your opponent is doing. You need to know what your opponent is doing. Look at your opponent's character.

Have fun.
Seriously. Have fun. If you're getting frustrated, that can affect how you play.

Accept loss.
Everyone loses. The important thing is to take your loss as a learning experience. When you lose, don't let it discourage you. Your opponent isn't learning anything by winning.

Save and watch replays.
Write down what you did correct and what you didn't do correct. This helps you keep in mind what you can do next time you're in a similar situation, or if you're even not in a similar situation. If you did a falling air-dodge and got punished for it, just make sure you don't do it again. A falling air-dodge is when you're falling and you air-dodge, obviously. This typically causes you to land onto the stage, which can mean a win or loss depending on how close you are to your opponent.

Play online and practice.
If it gets laggy, leave the person you played. If it continues to lag, it might be you. If you decide to practice against a computer, leave the computer at level 3. Don't fight level 9 computers. Their AI doesn't adapt to the degree that human brains do. What you want to do then is practice with your main. Don't worry about the computer fighting back. That's not what you're practicing. You're practicing so your brain processes and ingrains your new skills.
This actually helps me a lot when I play this and a few other Smash titles. Thanks for this info. :)
 
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