I am soooo freaking amazing at desynching

[choknater]

So I went back to Melee after playing Brawl for about 5 months. Really fun game, of course.

But I mained Sheik for a while. I got pretty good.

But I wanted to go back to my roots, so I played IC's.

OMG.

LOL.

I am amazing. I want to record myself.

Seriously guys this is ridiculous, the stuff I pull off.

I thought I was good before, but wow.

Shield pressure and aggressive approaches have never been so good with IC's.

I'm in love.

Nana's ****.

Everything.

Melee IC's are my best friends.

Really fast rate shield pressure dsmashes.

Popo fair nana fair popo fair combo.

Sexy belay combos on fast fallers.

Unstoppable edge guards.

How the hell did I get so creative after coming back?

You guys know that improvement factor where you quit for a while and then come back much better?

Yeah.

OMG, lol.

Guys... I love Melee IC's.

 

[otg]

Welcome back to the better game.

 

[TheLake]

vids pweeze? O_o

 

[Kyu Puff]

lol chok

I'm sooo freaking amazing at desynching too (in the technical sense though), but I know what you're talking about. After a long hiatus you start to break habits, it allows you to play much more expressively.

Right now I'm not creative at all, I play through patterns. :/

 

[Dynamism?]

reminds me of my bro.
He was never the greatest at melee, then he got insane at Brawl and learned mindgames or something. When he went back to melee, he was somehow crazy good. It's basically like he got mindgames then just made sure he was hitting buttons as fast as possible and he pwned...with the ICs too!!! Doesn't make sense mang :\

 

[choknater]

vids pweeze? O_o

yeah, i really want to record myself lol.

people know how to escape chain grabs and stuff, so it really leaves us open to creativity with grab combos which are more reliable when people are DIing predictable out of what they THINK will be chain grabs or usmash/fsmash

dthrow dair squall fsmash is too good lol

blizzard squall fsmash is too good lol

i use nair a lot guys, i dunno how to explain it, i just find the situations

 

[Wobbles]

On the subject of squall hammer, since playing a bit of Brawl IC's (couldn't stand them at first... still can't really, but they work nicely against Snake IMO), I've been using the twin squall in weird ways. Use it against Ganon before he has a chance to throw out an aerial and it annoys the crap out of his air game, fly quickly into a Peach who's trying to float at you then land and roll away... also works when characters are trying to play SHFFL/double jump mix-ups. Not so much against Fox or Falco because of their d-airs, but it's hilarious against Falcon if he's looking to d-air you.

Ineffective against Marth

The purpose isn't combo'ing or even that much damage--the goal is to convince them that their normal strategies aren't working (when really, they still work very well) and get them to do more punishable things as "mix-ups." You can also cross people up with it (thinking mostly Ganon) and get a positional advantage. Works on Samus in the air as well, actually, but not often or you'll get n-aired and b-aired

Right now I just screw around as much as possible when I play to see what confuses my opponent. I'm never happier than when I'm messing with DI and tricking them into falling for the old tricks they've gotten used to.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i dont know **** about IC's so...whats the squall hammer

 

[Ndot]

wow nice choknater, u got a ****load of posts lol. Welcome back to melee.

 

[Binx]

Squall hammer is the forward B, yeah I've been playing melee, and I've been using a lot of fox, as a result I'm a lot faster now with ICs at everything but I haven't really gotten more technical or better at desynching, some stuff I really should practice, anyways though ICs are still by far my favorite.

 

[Jboy313]

isnt desynching when each character does a different thing

 

[Jboy313]

and i dont understand their unlimited grab hit thing...lol

 

[choknater]

wobbles is right

esp. on that flying into peach thing

squall is great

using belay to recover as an attack is too good LOL

im just using all their other moves more than i used to in general

the unused ones

dtilt belay squall blizz etc...

ic's are too good ugh i played them yesterday and i ***** hard

 

[Kyu Puff]

I use synched Squall sometimes also. Mostly because of the boost in horizontal/vertical aerial movement, it makes you a lot harder to read in the air. It's hardly punishable on platform stages.

 

[PB&J]

u guys need to see my d-syncing skills..vids coming soon..foward b is beat i love

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

about desyncing i want to know how i pulled off this amazing combo .

samus was on a platform nana used fair und popo used up air then each one took turns jumping up and useing up air for a min. i know its not as stonge as juggleig them with both but you get alot more controll

sorry for this terrible spelling

 

[Kyu Puff]

I wish every match was recorded.

On YS, vs Sheik mid %s -- SH u-air (barely hits) -> u-air -> double-jump u-air -> belay (vertical kill).

Cool edgeguard, vs Peach on FD -- He recovers with a high float, I desynch -> charge u-smash -> cancel it with belay when he tries to land -> u-smash (k.o.). The only reason I was able to land the u-smash was because he DI'd backwards, didn't have a double jump and was tumbling.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

lol, I KO with belay more often than I used to since playing Brawl, although I don't even use belay a lot in Brawl. I also find myself using synched sh blizzard a lot more in Brawl-esque ways.

 

[Smasher89]

Activity?, just saw the vid with Nanaport(didnt knew it existed, and first thought it was NTSC only, but it works in PAL^^), seriously that could work as a really neat mindgame edgeguard on fastfallers.
Approaching peach with suall as she is going for a fair?, did I get you right there?

Dit fair, to nanautilt, popo fair once,I think it was something more since it was a sick combo like Ice climber pillar...

 

[Smasher89]

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[Miles.]

Must

go

play

moar

icys.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

D: I'm so behind. I rarely play either game nowadays(no working wii) outside of smashfests or times i go to gamefrog.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

chok, you might be a saiyan.

hey hey.
think you can beat my peach with those baby ****** twins?

 

[pockyD]

couldn't be that hard...........

 

[LumpyCPU...]

alright cockyD
lmao

 

[choknater]

hahahhAHhahha yea lump i can do it

 

[Nintendude]

lol, I remember once against Plank I pulled off a neutral-B (hammer hit), double jump weak uair (land on platform on PS), jump up-B ftw.
For some reason I find myself never playing ICs anymore since against my friends here at school I go all sorts of random characters (a lot of Falcon >_>). I need to start using them again...

Any of you ever try forward-B spam against DK? I experimented with it against Phish-it awhile back and he couldn't find a way around it LOL

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

DK? wow i know i need to play ic,s more stupid pichu combo video i am makeing do you have any hints?

 

[LumpyCPU...]

baby ****** mountain hiker twins can fight dk?
i thought if you pick those chars, the console just implodes upon itself...

 

[Kyu Puff]

Any of you ever try forward-B spam against DK? I experimented with it against Phish-it awhile back and he couldn't find a way around it LOL

xD nice, DK does have a huge stomach hitbox, so I can imagine that working. (Phish-it's DK also got Doc f-air'd from 5 miles away...)

One time playing Scar (he prob. doesn't remember this at all) I couldn't land a KO, and I started spamming side-B when he was at high %s. I landed multiple of them in a row until I managed to land a d-smash. :D

 

[Wobbles]

IC's dual forward+b is underrated, and needs to be abused more. It's stupid as hell and catches people off guard.

 

[GodheadsLamentX]

Nana ice breath to Popo ledgehop Bair too good.

ICs manage to be great in both games

D:

 

[Carrionb1016]

Maybe you can make a video i would like to watch

 

[Vts]

Nana ice breath to Popo ledgehop Bair too good.

ICs manage to be great in both games

D:

what do you mean both games i thought they were amazing in all three games.

(the game they are from)

once i get my game back i got some ideas to test for desyncs

maybe some will work but i bet they wont.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

Maybe Some Will Work But I Bet They Wont.

That's The Spirit

 

[Fly_Amanita]

IC's dual forward+b is underrated, and needs to be abused more. It's stupid as hell and catches people off guard.

Yeah, I only realized this after playing Brawl, lol. I still use it more for positioning myself rather than attacking, although I do occasionally use it for approaching some of the floaties.

 

[Vts]

That's The Spirit

yeah well found out everything i tried failed.

still trying new stuff but i bet is also fails.

at least i'm trying since everyone else seems like w/e i'll just use what i know instead of expanding there tech/desyncing/combos

 

[Kyu Puff]

Read the second to last page of the General Discussion Thread.

I try :D

 

[LumpyCPU...]

yeah well found out everything i tried failed.

still trying new stuff but i bet is also fails.

at least i'm trying since everyone else seems like w/e i'll just use what i know instead of expanding there tech/desyncing/combos

well you never know what will work till you try it.
ic's are near limitless in potential.

 

[choknater]

choknaterz edge hog on ppl trying to sweetspot

spot dodge blizz, popo edge hog (make sure its fast.. turn around wd fast fall)

ledge hop dair during invincibility if you wanna reset positioning to something favorable

ledge hop bair if u wanna KO

ledge hop nair if u wanna make them try to recover again

if they go above the ledge, the blizz will hit them

if they actually DO sweetspot, the dair will force them to sweetspot again

if they barely miss the sweetspot, it's a free fsmash/dsmash (watch the tech)

when i ledgehop dair... i usually dont l-cancel it cuz it makes nana shield, which is annoying and messes up my flow... sometimes i just dsmash or something with nana to stay desynched so that i can edge hog again with popo

choknaterz gimp - bthrow to ice block. AMAZING against falco. great against fox/falcon

basically if the block hits them, they gotta up-B on reaction. if they do it too late, they are dead via edge hog