How would you rank the Smash roster in terms of priority?

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So this has been on my mind a while, but if the roster started getting smaller, this would become more important, who do you prioritise? How would you go about it? So I thought it'd be fun to really push you to make those tough decisions

If you like, you could include characters from the recent leak, but just put it in a spoiler warning, basically with this, if someone asked you to reduce the roster size, you'd have something easy to show

I'll try and you through my decision

First off, original 8. They're not going anywhere

1. :ultmario:
2. :ultlink:
3.:ultpikachu:
4. :ultkirby:
5.:ultsamus:
6.:ultdk:
7.:ultfox:
8.:ultyoshi:

After that, I want to look at other major franchises, focus on a diverse lot of different NINTENDO franchises

9.:ultmarth:
10.:ultisabelle: (yeah, these days I'd put Isabelle before Villager)
11. :ultinkling:
12. :ultolimar:
13. :ultfalcon:
14. :ultshulk:
15. :ultpit:


Now look at the big 3 franchises, Pokemon is tough but Lucario is a no brainer

16.:ultpeach:
17:ultbowser:
18.:ultzelda:
19. :ultganondorf:
20. :ultlucario:
21. :ultluigi:

Let's get a few smaller franchises/lower priority

22. :ultness:
23. :ultlittlemac:
24. :ultwario:
25. :ultwiifittrainer:

Now let's get our two most significant retro characters

26. :ultgnw:
27. :ultrob:

Let's take a look at what franchises we got that could do with more, Again Pokemon is tough but if I'm trying to be objective, I'd probably go Mewtwo next. We'll also bring in Kirby, Metroid and Fire Emblem, and then some others

28. :ultkingdedede:
29. :ultmewtwo:
30. :ultridley:
31. :ultike:
32. :ultdiddy:
33. :ultmetaknight:
34. :ultfalco:
35. :ultvillager:

Here, we bring in our first third parties starting with the 3 most significant,

36. :ultsonic:
37. :ultmegaman:
38.:ultpacman:

And another retro

39. :ultduckhunt:

Let's throw a bone to some smaller franchises

40. :ultrobin:
41. :ultlucas:
42. :ultpalutena:

And the big 3, if we got this many, let's just keep the original 12. Sheik vs Toon Link is tough but Sheik I'd keep first for being more unique and popular with Smash fanbase

43. :ultjigglypuff:
44. :ultrosalina:
45. :ultsheik:

More third parties

46. :ultryu:
47. :ultsnake:
48. :ultsimon:

Last retro

49. :ulticeclimbers:

More Pokemon

50. :006:
51. :ultgreninja:

More characters for other franchises

52. :ultkrool:
53. :ultcorrin:
54. :ultwolf:

Perhaps some character double ups?

55. :ultzss:
56. :ulttoonlink:

Final unique third parties

57. :ultcloud:
58. :ultbayonetta:

Alright Roys

59. :ultbowserjr:
60. :ultroy:

Room for customisation?

61-63:ultmiifighters:

Let's complete the trainer

64-65:ultpokemontrainer:

And finally, the Melee copies of the big 3

66. :ultdoc:
67. :ultyounglink:
68. :ultpichu:

Hmm left out echoes, it's hard to decide where they go. It's almost like deciding if Pikachu Libre should have more priority over Wedding Mario or not.

So I'll put them in their own little section

First, Chrom is probably the most important to the franchise they're from (for first party)
:ultchrom:

We don't have much Metroid
:ultdarksamus:

Daisy is really popular and in a lot of games alongside the main Mario cast
:ultdaisy:

Richter is a very popular Belmont and the inspiration of many of Simons attacks
:ultrichter:

Kid Icarus only has two characters, and he's pretty popular from Uprising
:ultdarkpit:

We have a lot of Fire Emblem characters, including 2 from her game. And we already have a fire emblem echo. But she's popular
:ultlucina:


Woo what an effort. This is going to come in handy in the future for other hypotheticals. It's a challenge but fun. I'm curious to see what others do.
 
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Original 12, but reordered to fit modern popularity:
1. :ultmario:
2. :ultlink:
3. :ultpikachu:
4. :ultkirby:
5. :ultdk:
6. :ultsamus:
7. :ultyoshi:
8. :ultfox:
9. :ultness:
10. :ultluigi:
11. :ultjigglypuff:
12. :ultfalcon:
Current popular modern figures not in the original 12:
13. :ultinkling:
14. :ultchrom:
15. :ultpit:
16. :ultvillager:
17. :ultshulk:
18. :ultwario:
Characters above fighters aren't "whole" without:
19. :ultbowser:
20. :ultzelda:
21. :ultganondorf:
22. :ultmewtwo:
23. :ultpokemontrainer:
24. :ultkingdedede:
25. :ultmetaknight:
26. :ultdiddy:
27. :ultkrool:
28. :ultridley:
29. :ultfalco:
30. :ultwolf:
31. :ultrobin:
32. :ultpalutena:
33.:ultisabelle:
34.:ultpeach:
Side characters/Characters from other games in respective series:
35.:ultrosalina:
36.:ulttoonlink:
37. :ultsheik:
38. :ultlucario:
39. :ultlucas:
40. :ultdarksamus:
41. :ultbowserjr:
42.:ultike:
43. :ultdarkpit:
44. :ultmarth:
Retro/small series fighters:
45. :ulticeclimbers:
46. :ultgnw:
47. :ultrob:
48. :ultduckhunt:
49. :ultolimar:
50. :ultwiifittrainer:
51. :ultlittlemac:
3rd Party/guests:
52. :ultsonic:
53. :ultmegaman:
54. :ultpacman:
55/56. :ultsimon:/:ultrichter: (They hold equal priority IMO)
57. :ultryu:
Characters who shouldn't even be in the game IMO:
:ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultlucina::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultdaisy::ultpichu::ultroy::ultsnake::ultyounglink::ultzss:
 

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I have ideal rosters made in 5 character increments over this range. For 35 and 40, I would consider adding Ridley, but I haven't decided yet.
 
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What sucks is that the Mother series won't ever go any further than what they are, so throughout the years they're just going to have far less priority. Same with F-Zero.
 

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Used similar format as op, honestly feel top 45 are pretty safe unless there is a major reboot excluding 3rd party since you never know with them.

Original 8

1. :ultmario:
2. :ultlink:
3.:ultpikachu:
4. :ultkirby:
5.:ultdk:
6.:ultsamus:
7.:ultyoshi:
8.:ultfox:

More franchises

9.:ultmarth:
10. :ultvillager:
11. :ultinkling:
12. :ultshulk:
13. :ultwario:
14. :ultpit:
15. :ultolimar:


Add to the big 3 franchises

16. :ultbowser:
17. :ultzelda:
18-20. :ultpokemontrainer: (or at least charizard)
21. :ultpeach:
22. :ultganondorf:
23. :ultlucario:

Add some 3rd parties

24. :ultsonic:
25. :ultmegaman:


Add more fighters from big franchises

26. :ultkingdedede:
27. :ultdiddy:
28. :ultzss:
29. :ultmetaknight:
30. :ultike:
31. :ultkrool:
32. :ultridley:
33. :ultmewtwo:

Some smaller franchises (and a retro pick)

34. :ultness:
35. :ultlittlemac:
36. :ultgnw:
37. :ultfalcon:
38-40. :ultmiifighters:

Couple more 3rd party

41. :ultpacman:
42. :ultryu:

More franchise reps

43. :ultluigi:
44. :ultrobin:
45. :ultbowserjr:
46. :ulttoonlink:

More third parties
47. :ultsimon:
48. :ultbayonetta:

Even more franchise reps
49. :ultsheik:
50. :ultpalutena:
51. :ultcorrin:
52. :ultfalco:
53. :ultisabelle:
54. :ultwolf:

Final 3rd Party
55. :ultcloud:
56. :ultsnake:

Lesser Franchise Reps

57. :ultjigglypuff:
58. :ultwiifittrainer:
59. :ultlucas:
60. :ultrosalina:
61. :ultgreninja:

Rest (Previous cuts, retros, etc.)

62. :ulticeclimbers:
63. :ultduckhunt:
64. :ultrob:
65. :ultroy:
66. :ultdoc:
67. :ultyounglink:
68. :ultpichu:

Echoes

69. :ultdarksamus:
70. :ultdaisy:
71. :ultdarkpit:
72. :ultlucina:
73. :ultchrom:
74. :ultrichter:
 
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1:ultmario: 1-10: S Tier, Can't have a game without them
2:ultpikachu:
3:ultdk:
4:ultlink:
5:ultkirby:
6:ultsamus:
7:ultfox:
8:ultyoshi:
9:ultvillager:
10:ultinkling:

11:ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser: 11-25 A+ Tier, Fan Favourites from the biggest franchises + the 2 next most popular franchises (FE and Pikmin)
12:ultzelda: +most important 3rd Parties
13:ultjigglypuff:
14:ultpokemontrainer:
15:ultganondorf:
16:ultmarth:
17:ultmetaknight:
18:ultdiddy:
19:ultkingdedede:
20:ultridley:
21:ultkrool:
22:ultolimar:
23:ultsonic:
24:ultpacman:
25:ultmegaman:


26:ultfalcon: 26-41 A-Tier, Lesser known Franchises + Smash Staples + next 3rd parties
27:ultness: Characters from S,A+ and A are needed in Smash
28:ultisabelle:
29:ultpit:
30:ultshulk:
Would be the 32 Roster
31:ultfalco:
32:ultmewtwo:
33:ultike:
34:ultlittlemac:
35:ultwario:
36:ultlucario:
37:ultpalutena:
38:ultsnake:
39:ultsimon:
40:ultryu:
41:ultcloud:


42:ultbowserjr: 42-55 B-Tier, lesser popular characters but with a Smash history
43:ultgnw:
44:ultwolf:
45:ultroy:
46:ultrob:
47:ulticeclimbers:
48:ultzss:
would be the 50 Roster

49:ultsheik:
50:ultrosalina:
51:ultchrom:
52:ultlucas:
53:ulttoonlink:
54:ultwiifittrainer:
55:ultduckhunt:



56:ultrobin: 56-67 C-Tier, Echoes and characters that were only there as promotion for games not recent anymore
57:ultbayonetta:
58:ultrichter:
59:ultgreninja:
60:ultyounglink:
61:ultpichu:
62:ultdaisy:
63:ultdarksamus:
64:ultcorrin:
65:ultdarkpit:
66:ultlucina:
67:ultdoc:
 
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I have ideal rosters made in 5 character increments over this range. For 35 and 40, I would consider adding Ridley, but I haven't decided yet.
I really like that idea!
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultyoshi::ultness::ultpit:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultyoshi::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultchrom::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::ultinkling:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultyoshi::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultchrom::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::ultinkling::ultganondorf::ultpokemontrainer::ultridley::ultzelda::ultluigi:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultyoshi::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultchrom::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::ultinkling::ultganondorf::ultpokemontrainer::ultridley::ultzelda::ultluigi::ultkrool::ultfalco::ultpalutena::ultmetaknight::ultrobin:
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultyoshi::ultness::ultpit::ultfalcon::ultchrom::ultbowser::ultkingdedede::ultinkling::ultganondorf::ultpokemontrainer::ultridley::ultzelda::ultluigi::ultkrool::ultfalco::ultpalutena::ultmetaknight::ultrobin::ultshulk::ultlucas::ultdiddy::ultpeach::ulttoonlink:
I don't feel like going any further.
 
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Might as well update
I'd put Incineroar and Piranha Plant right at the bottom, maybe if I'm generous Incineroar higher than Pichu.


As funny as Piranha Plant is, I'm not sure I can put it higher than anyone

Ken is higher than Richter.
 

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OG 8 in this order...
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultyoshi::ultdk::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultfox:

The other leads in this order...
:ultmarth::ultfalcon::ultness::ultwario::ultpit::ultinkling::ultvillager::ultolimar::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultwiifittrainer:

The "consistent" starter characters in this order (I don't consider that Ultimate has all but the OG 8 unlockable and count DLC as "starter")...
:ultpeach::ultbowser::ultpokemontrainer::ultzelda::ultsheik::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultdiddy::ultike::ultzss::ultgreninja::ultlucas::ultpalutena::ultrosalina::ultrobin::ulticeclimbers::ultcorrin:

The "other" 1st parties in this order...
:ultganondorf::ultkrool::ultridley::ultluigi::ultisabelle::ultlucario::ultjigglypuff::ultgnw::ultrob::ultmewtwo::ultfalco::ultroy::ultbowserjr::ultpichu::ultduckhunt::ultyounglink::ultincineroar::ultdoc::ulttoonlink::ultwolf::ultpiranha::ultmiifighters:

Echoes in this order:
:ultdaisy::ultchrom::ultlucina::ultdarksamus::ultdarkpit:

Third Parties in this order:
:ultsonic::ultpacman::ultmegaman::ultsnake::ultcloud::ultsimon::ultryu::ultbayonetta::ultrichter::ultken:
 

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These characters have appeared in every Smash game (not necessarily playable.) I assume this will continue forever.
:ultmario::ultkirby::ultyounglink::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultdk::ultyoshi::ultfox::ultfalcon::ultluigi::ultjigglypuff::ultness::ultkingdedede::ultridley::4charizard:

These characters are hugely popular with fans and/or iconic to video games as a whole. Cutting them seems very unlikely.
:ultbowser::ultzss::ultwario::ultsonic::ultryu::ultpeach::ultpacman::ultmewtwo::ultmegaman::ultmarth::ultkrool::ultisabelle::ultinkling::ultganondorf::ultdiddy::ultfalco::ultolimar::ultsheik:

Possible cuts for budgetary and/or corporate reasons.
:ultsimon::ultrichter::ultsnake::ultryu::ultken::ultcloud::ultbayonetta:

Possible cuts because they aren't immensely popular.
:ultbowserjr::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultduckhunt::ultgreninja::ulticeclimbers::ultike::ultincineroar::ultlittlemac::ultlucario::ultlucas::ultgnw::ultpalutena::ultdaisy::ultpichu::ultpiranha::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultrob::ultrobin::ultrosalina::ultroy::ultdarksamus::ultshulk::ultwiifittrainer::ultwolf:
 

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Can't have a Nintendo All Stars game without them tier:
:ultmario::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultluigi::ultyoshi::ultlink::ultdk::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultvillager::ultinkling:

Have earned their place tier:
:ultbowserjr::ultrosalina::ultdiddy::ultfox::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultisabelle::ultmarth::ultike::ultlucina::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultmewtwo::ultmiifighters::ultness::ultpokemontrainer::ultridley::ultshulk::ultwario:

Hardcore fan pleasers tier:
:ultduckhunt::ultgreninja::ultkrool::ultlittlemac::ultlucario::ultlucas::ultolimar::ultpit::ultrob::ultrobin::ultchrom::ultdarksamus::ultfalco::ultwolf:

Nice bonus tier:
:ultfalcon::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultpalutena::ultdarkpit::ultdaisy::ultroy::ultcorrin::ultsheik::ulttoonlink::ultwiifittrainer::ultzss:

Why are you here tier:
:ultdoc::ultincineroar::ultjigglypuff::ultpichu::ultpiranha::ultyounglink:

Third party tier:
:ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultryu::ultken::ultsnake::ultsonic::ultsimon::ultrichter:
 
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Mandatory Characters:
:ultmario::ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultmarth::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultpit::ultsnake::ultsonic::ultkingdedede::ultlucario::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultinkling::ultridley::ultsimon:
Important to Nintendo Fans:
:ultdk::ultyoshi::ultness::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultwario::ultpokemontrainer::ultdiddy::ultolimar::ultrob::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultmiifighters::ultpacman::ultshulk::ultduckhunt::ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultrichter::ultisabelle::ultpiranha:
Important to Super Smash Bros Fanbase:
:ultfox::ultfalcon::ultjigglypuff::ultsheik::ultdoc::ultfalco::ultroy::ultmetaknight::ultzss::ultryu::ultkrool::ultken:
Important to Fans of Their Origin Series:
:ultpichu::ultyounglink::ultike::ultlucas::ulttoonlink::ultwolf::ultrosalina::ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultrobin::ultlucina::ultdarkpit::ultbowserjr::ultcorrin::ultdaisy::ultdarksamus::ultchrom::ultincineroar:

It's important to realize that this is not necessarily a tier list, as the only category that is held with higher priority then the others is the "Mandatory Characters," as the exclusion of a character in the MC category from a Smash game would result in overwhelmingly unanimous outcry (see: Brawl with Mewtwo, Snake with Smash 4).

Before making a priority list, I humbly suggest people look at these three categories and go "okay, who am I okay with pissing off the most?" The folks in "Mandatory" however, are characters that should just never be cut under any circumstance, regardless of which audience someone would consider "least important to Smash."
 
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I left out personal bias compared to many on here. This is more about who is iconic and huge. And who's Olimar sized running around Ridley's sized feet.


S Tier
:ultmario::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultlink::ultinkling::ultsamus::ultdk:

Nothing much to cover there, these are the characters that are golden without much reason to question their spot.

A Tier
:ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultyoshi::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultdiddy::ultmarth::ultlittlemac::ultolimar::ultshulk::ultfox::ultisabelle::ultpit:

This next group are major players in the above franchises or other pretty solid franchises that deserve their rep. Little Mac and Pit were a little uncertain, but I placed them there. Isabelle is more liked than Villager.

B Tier
:ultwario::ultmewtwo::ultgreninja::4charizard::ultkrool::ultrobin::ultike::ultwolf::ultridley::ultvillager::ultpalutena:

Now we get into some other large players in the above franchises. Almost put Lucario here.

C Tier
:ultlucario::ultness::ultfalcon::ultwiifittrainer::ultduckhunt::ultgnw:

Then we get some dated characters that could be argued as iconic.

D Tier
:ultrosalina::ultbowserjr::ultincineroar::ulttoonlink::ultdarksamus::ultfalco::ultcorrin::ulticeclimbers::ultrob::ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultpacman::ultryu::ultken:

Now we're getting to the more beefing up part where these characters could be left out but have their reasons to be in. 3rd parties fall here as they aren't exactly the biggest needs for a Nintendo All Star game as they are guests. Ice Climbers are pretty much nobodies and their game is hated. Also ROB is pretty garbage tier in being boring/unloved and one of the weakest additions to ever make it on the roster. Like legit, he's the biggest flop of a retro. Regardless he is above the below people.

F Tier
:ultdaisy::ultdoc::ultpiranha::squirtle::ivysaur::ultpichu::ultjigglypuff::ultyounglink::ultsheik::ultzss::ultlucina::ultchrom::ultroy::ultlucas::ultmiifighters::ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultsnake::ultdarkpit:

These are the ones that could easily be left out. Daisy is spin off filler, nothing more. Doc is from a forgotten game. Piranha Plant is hilarious but not needed. Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff have not aged as well as other Pokemon. Pichu was never big to begin with. Young Link is repetitive and wasn't needed back. Sheik is some one off alter ego relic. Zero Suit Samus is trash tier for Metroid representation as she is obvious fan service with little to no other purpose. Lucina, Roy, and Chrom while beloved just really over beef the FE roster up. Lucas is pretty much a nobody for Americans though I was debating on D Tier for him. Miis are avatars and more work than needed for such ugly things. Cloud has little Nintendo ties though I debated on D tier. Bayonetta is a nobody in terms of 3rd parties. And Snake was one I bounced between F and D. He could go either way since I have general lack of knowledge on his series. Forgot Dark Pit, he's pretty obvious for F Tier as he's literally a color swap glorified.
 
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Snake should have never been in smash, Lucario doesn't matter, and Villager is stupid. Let me know if you want me to continue.
Snake got in because Kojima asked for Sakurai to put him in. The only reason he wasn't in Smash 4 was because Konami were being ***holes about the series at the time.

Lucario keeps Smash from being completely biased towards Gen 1 and Starters, and has been with the series since Brawl.

Piranha Plant's inclusion has made it crystal clear that Nintendo, Sakurai, and this series doesn't give a ****ing **** about what people consider "stupid." But if you insist, I'll consider giving them another lookover to see if Villager would be better suited in the "Important for Nintendo Fans" category. Don't count on it, though, because quite frankly, you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
 
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Snake got in because Kojima asked for Sakurai to put him in. The only reason he wasn't in Smash 4 was because Konami were being ***holes about the series at the time.

Lucario keeps Smash from being completely biased towards Gen 1 and Starters, and has been with the series since Brawl.

Piranha Plant's inclusion has made it crystal clear that Nintendo, Sakurai, and this series doesn't give a ****ing **** about what people consider "stupid." But if you insist, I'll consider giving them another lookover to see if Villager would be better suited in the "Important for Nintendo Fans" category. Don't count on it, though, because quite frankly, you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I was merely annoyed by your sweeping imperative statements. I think you're wrong. There's not much else to say.
 

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Full of my bias and different naming of things

Top Priority: :ultpit::ultmario::ultsonic::ultrosalina::ultinkling::ultduckhunt::ulttoonlink::ultpiranha::ultdoc:
High Priority: :ultridley::ultkrool::ultwolf::ultrobin::ultcorrin::ultisabelle::ultdaisy::ultpalutena::ultlink::ultdarkpit:
Priority: :ultbowser::ultfalcon::ultdk::ultfox::ultganondorf::ulticeclimbers::ultike::ultkirby::ultlucario::ultlucas::ultluigi::ultmarth::ultlucina::ultmewtwo::ultpeach::ultpikachu::ultpokemontrainer::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultzss::ultzelda:
Low Priority: :ultbowserjr::ultdiddy::ultfalco::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultmegaman::ultmetaknight::ultmiifighters::ultgnw::ultness::ultpichu::ultrob::ultroy::ultchrom::ultryu::ultken::ultsheik::ultshulk::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultsnake::ultvillager::ultwario::ultwiifittrainer::ultyounglink:
Bottom Priority: :ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultjigglypuff::ultkingdedede::ultolimar::ultpacman::ultyoshi:
 
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In terms of prioritizing, I'd have three main concerns. Popularity, move diversity, and representation. There's a lot of dislike for clones, so the goal is to create a roster that represents Nintendo (and other franchises) without being too redundant.

Top 12 - Basically, these are the main reps of Nintendo's biggest franchises, either past or present.
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultdk::ultsamus::ultyoshi::ultfox::ultmarth::ultvillager::ultinkling::ultluigi:

Top 25 - Adding in some antagonists and other supplemental characters to some of the bigger franchises, and then some Retro representation.
:ultfalcon::ultness::ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultpeach::ultzelda::ultdiddy::ulticeclimbers::ultpit::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede::ultmewtwo::ultgnw:

Top 35 - More Pokemon, more antagonists, more retro, another Animal Crossing, and some (for lack of a better word) "lesser" modern franchises.
:4charizard::ultgreninja::ultkrool::ultridley::ultlittlemac::ultduckhunt::ultisabelle::ultshulk::ultolimar:
(That's 9, and I'd throw in a fully evolved Grass Starter to complete the trio. Sceptile was the safe bet at one point, but Decidueye would be good, too.)

Top 50 - Adding in some more supplemental characters, a couple of oddballs, and finally third parties.
:ultpalutena::ultrosalina::ultwario::ultrobin::ultcorrin::ultike::ultwolf::ultsheik::ultbowserjr::ultrob::ultwiifittrainer::ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultpacman:

Basically, I'd say everyone else is expendable. It's a lot of retreading and third party after that. Yes, it means giving up some cool characters, but the hope would be to get some other cool ones in their stead. I know I left out Jigglypuff. I know she's got a strong fanbase, and she is unique, but in terms of relevancy to her franchise, it just isn't as strong as it was back when Smash 64 came out.
 

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#22
:ultmario::ultbowser::ultdk::ultkrool::ultfox::ultwolf::ultlink::ultganondorf::ultinkling::ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultpikachu::ultmewtwo::ultpacman::ultmarth::ultsamus::ultridley::ultshulk::ultvillager:

These are the characters I think are relevant and have contributed to the gaming industry. The villains are just complementary. As for Pac-Man and Shulk, both Namco and Monolith Soft worked on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. If they developed the next game after, I'd say these are the top priority characters. I didn't bother with third-party characters because that can change. There are 77 characters right now, and yes, I am including the Miis and Pokémon Trainer. With 5 more DLC characters on the way, the character roster totals to 82. If the roster is reduced to a third in the next game after SSBU, then that means there will be 27 characters. I'm aware of the "Original 8"™ and how that might not change, but this is what I think.
 

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#23
Except for Mario, Link and Kirby (and maybe Pikachu) I don't think there's anybody in the roster who couldn't be a satisfying inclusion as an Assist Trophy or minor appearance. Not even the 64 vets, Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff in particular have no real reason to be fighters beyond "they were before" which, in my eyes, isn't good enough if they can't bring something new (though I don't want either of them out). But of course, this is sacrilegious to claim that anybody from the N64 game could be cut for many people, but I do not have the same idea. Now I don't doubt most of them will return as fighters, but... do they have to?

Will Always Be a Fighter tier
  • :ultmario: (psyche, he's got a 0% chance of coming back, get ready for your Mario Assist Trophy at best)
  • :ultlink:
  • :ultkirby:
Will, for the foreseeable future (i.e. short of some chaos), be a Fighter tier
  • :ultdk:
  • :ultsamus:
  • :ultpikachu:
  • :ultluigi:
  • :ultness:
  • :ultpeach:
  • :ultbowser:
  • :ultzelda:
  • :ultmarth:
  • :ultmewtwo:
  • :ultpit:
  • :ultmetaknight:
  • :ultwario:
  • :ultkingdedede:
  • :ultsonic:
  • :ultolimar:
  • :ultmegaman:
  • :ultpacman:
  • :ultinkling:
  • :ultkrool:
Stands an actual chance at being demoted, but still likely to return tier
  • :ultyoshi:
  • :ultfox:
  • :ultdaisy: If Echoes Return. If not, she could still return as a semi clone assuming she makes roster.
  • :ulticeclimbers:
  • :ultganondorf:
  • :ultgnw:
  • :ultsnake:
  • :charizard:
  • :ultlucario:
  • :ultdiddy:
  • :ultvillager: (if Isabelle is here to stay, Villager becomes the one at risk)
  • :ultrosalina:
  • :ultgreninja:
  • :ultrobin:
  • :ultbowserjr:
  • :ultryu:
  • :ultcloud: (Instead of a demotion risk, he'll never be demoted to AT, he'll just totally vanish)
  • :ultridley:
  • :ultsimon:
Possibly demoted to Assist Trophy/Poké Ball/Boss Fight (starting here, you could be cut entirely)
  • :ultfalcon:
  • :ultjigglypuff:
  • :ultroy:
  • :ultfalco:
  • :ultike:
  • :ultlucas:
  • :squirtle: (As Blastoise)
  • :ivysaur:(As Venusaur)
  • :ultwolf:
  • :ultwiifittrainer:
  • :ultlittlemac:
  • :ultpalutena:
  • :ultshulk:
  • :ultduckhunt:
  • :ultbayonetta:
  • :ultdarksamus:
  • :ultisabelle:
  • :ultincineroar: (As Incineroar or Litten)

Possibly demoted to tertiary role (Alt, Trophy/Spirit, Sticker, stage cameo)
  • :ultsheik:
  • :ultdoc:
  • :ultyounglink:
  • :ultzss:
  • :ultpokemontrainer:
  • :ulttoonlink:
  • :ultlucina:
  • :ultdarkpit:
  • :ultrichter:
  • :ultchrom:
  • :ultken:

Possibly gone
  • :ultrob: (If there ever comes a time where R.O.B stops counting as a video game character)
  • :ultmiifighters:(If a console has no Mii System, then the Miis go bye bye)
  • :ultpiranha: (This is a character not meant to come back. I'd be shocked if Smash 6 featured Piranha Plant again, let alone as a fighter)
 

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#24
For those who put :ultyoshi: so low on the priority list (you know who you are), how much of it is due to a) genuinely believing he's not important enough to warrant priority, b) being conditioned by Sakurai treating him poorly relative to the other OG 8 or c) outright bias (which I'll accept as long as you admit it)?

Because you can't deny that he's a massive video game icon even if you don't like him or his games...
 

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#25
I have ideal rosters made in 5 character increments over this range. For 35 and 40, I would consider adding Ridley, but I haven't decided yet.
I had some of these messed up. They're correct now.
 
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#26
I'll just do tiers in the amount of newcomers each game had as objectively as I can muster.

S Tier: (12)
:ultmario::ultpikachu::ultlink::ultkirby::ultdk::ultisabelle::ultyoshi::ultwario::ultsamus::ultinkling::ultike::ultfox:
The top twelve franchises...with futures, sorry Wii and Game and Watch. Chose Isabelle over Villager because she's the mascot at this point, let's be real, and Ike over Marth because sheer popularity.

A Tier: (14)
:ultluigi::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultpokemontrainer:(all three):ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultkingdedede::ultdiddy::ultmarth::ultwiifittrainer::ultgnw::ultolimar:
Second bananas of the best sellers + other best selling franchises. Pikmin technically has less sales than F-Zero, but it's also not frigging dead. Interestingly Luigi is both a second banana to the Mario series but also has sold enough Mansion games to be included legitimately as his own thing here. Marth is added here, so keep those panties out of a bunch.

B Tier: (18)
:ultpit::ultfalcon::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultness::ultduckhunt::ultsonic::ultpacman::ultmegaman::ultryu::ultvillager::ultbowserjr::ultrobin::ultmetaknight::ultkrool::ultridley::ultmewtwo::ultwolf:
Smaller franchises, big third parties and...I guess rivals and villains of popular franchises...and Villager.

C Tier: (21)
:ultrosalina::ultdaisy::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultincineroar::ultchrom::ultlucina::ultroy::ultcorrin::ultmiifighters:(all three):ultdarksamus::ultfalco::ultrob::ultcloud::ultsimon::ultsnake::ultken::ultbayonetta::ultpalutena:
Lesser popular characters from popular franchises, the time sink that is the Mii fighters, the vast majority of other third parties that I don't really deem as important as the above ranks third parties and Palutena.

D Tier: (12)
:ultpiranha::ultpichu::ultjigglypuff::ultzss::ulttoonlink::ultyounglink::ultdarkpit::ultrichter::ultsheik::ultlucas::ulticeclimbers::ultdoc:
Characters already on the roster in different outfits, region exclusive Lucas, filler Pokemon, the amusing plant mook, Pittoo, Richter because I can't put him in the same class as Simon of priority and the worst retro game I've ever played in the Ice Climbers. Dr. Mario's still the bottom of my priority list even with thre Links.

Personally I'd rather put Chrom in S Tier, but Ike is the most popular character from the franchise so I guess I'll respect that.
 
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#27
I'm going to revise my list:
All priority is in order from left to right:
12 fighters to represent 12 main Nintendo series:
1-12: :ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultdk::ultfox::ultpit::ultchrom::ultinkling::ultness::ultyoshi:
Fighters who have earned their spots and have a long history in Nintendo games:
13-26::ultluigi::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultpokemontrainer::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultmewtwo::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultridley::ultdiddy::ultfalco::ultwolf::ultrobin:
Important fighters from certain games:
27-37: :ultrosalina::ulttoonlink::ultsheik::ultincineroar::ultkrool::ultpalutena::ultike::ultmarth::ultlucas::ultolimar::ultshulk:
Side characters/fighters from unrepresented series:
38-45: :ultwario::ultfalcon::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultdaisy::ultlucario::ultdarksamus::ultlucina:
Retro/less relevant fighters:
46-55: :ultbowserjr::ulticeclimbers::ultduckhunt::ultgnw::ultpichu::ultrob::ultduckhunt::ultzss::ultyounglink::ultlittlemac:
Joke fighters:
55-57: :ultwiifittrainer::ultpiranha::ultjigglypuff:
Fighters who should not be in the game IMO (this one not in any particular order):
:ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultgreninja::ultmegaman::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultpacman::ultdarkpit::ultroy::ultryu::ultken::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultsnake::ultsonic:
 
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#28
Guess I'll try my hand at it:

Top priority: Faces of popular and active Nintendo franchises:
:ultmario::ultpikachu::ultlink::ultkirby::ultdk::ultshulk::ultinkling::ultyoshi::ultmarth::ultsamus::ultvillager::ultwario:

High priority: Faces of less active franchises, deuteragonists, rivals, and antagonists:
:ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultganondorf::ultzelda::ultridley::ultkingdedede::ultmewtwo::ultfox::ultpit::ultolimar::ultisabelle::ultrobin:

Mid-high priority: Recurring side characters, popular one-off characters from series already in the game:
:ultbowserjr::ultmetaknight::ultchrom:* :ultpalutena::ultfalco::ultwolf:

Mid priority: Faces of inactive franchises, retro characters, and relevant one-off characters:
:ultgnw::ulticeclimbers::ultrob::ultduckhunt::ultness::ultlucas::ultfalcon::ultincineroar:** :ultwiifittrainer::ultmiifighters::ultlittlemac:

Mid-low priority: One-off characters from series with active mainstays and (maybe less popular) characters who probably won't be relevant in the future:
:ultdaisy:*** :ultrosalina:*** :ultpokemontrainer:' :ultjigglypuff::ultlucario::ultgreninja::ultsheik::ultzss::ultdarksamus::ultike::ultcorrin:

Low priority: Near forgotten one-offs, (semi-)clones that probably wouldn't receive much demand had they not been in smash to begin with, and common mooks. (I had to add this because there is one specific character I couldn't fit anywhere else, guess who.) (This entire category is kind of shaky in my book, though.):
:ultroy::ultlucina::ulttoonlink::ultyounglink::ultpichu::ultdarkpit::ultdoc::ultpiranha:

Extreme low priority: Third party characters:
:ultsnake::ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultryu::ultken::ultcloud::ultbayonetta::ultsimon::ultrichter:

*Due to moveset potential I listed Robin one tier higher than Chrom, and Awakening is the game that skyrocketed FE's popularity so I'm giving a character from that game higher priority than the other FE characters.
**Once the next generation comes out, Incineroar would be replaced with the face of gen 8. (The one with most marketing and stuff)
***Is pretty much relegated to a spinoff filler character like Waluigi at this point.
' is debatable. I just wouldn't consider 3 more gen 1 Pokémon all that high priority despite them being starters. If I handled smash, I'd consider Pikachu and Mewtwo enough from it.
 
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#29
I'm going to revise my list:
All priority is in order from left to right:
12 fighters to represent 12 main Nintendo series:
1-12: :ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultsamus::ultdk::ultfox::ultpit::ultchrom::ultinkling::ultness::ultyoshi:
Fighters who have earned their spots and have a long history in Nintendo games:
13-26::ultluigi::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultpokemontrainer::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultmewtwo::ultbowser::ultpeach::ultridley::ultdiddy::ultfalco::ultwolf::ultrobin:
Important fighters from certain games:
27-37: :ultrosalina::ulttoonlink::ultsheik::ultincineroar::ultkrool::ultpalutena::ultike::ultmarth::ultlucas::ultolimar::ultshulk:
Side characters/fighters from unrepresented series:
38-45: :ultwario::ultfalcon::ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultdaisy::ultlucario::ultdarksamus::ultlucina:
Retro/less relevant fighters:
46-55: :ultbowserjr::ulticeclimbers::ultduckhunt::ultgnw::ultpichu::ultrob::ultduckhunt::ultzss::ultyounglink::ultlittlemac:
Joke fighters:
55-56: :ultwiifittrainer::ultpiranha:
Fighters who should not be in the game IMO (this one not in any particular order):
:ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultgreninja::ultmegaman::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultmiifighters::ultpacman::ultdarkpit::ultroy::ultryu::ultken::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultsnake::ultsonic:
You forgot Jigglypuff
 
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