How would YOU buff Incineroar?

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#1
How would you buff Incineroar to make him a better character/more functioning one without breaking him?

Here's a couple of changes that I would love to see for Incineroar that would greatly improve his quality of life and/or performance in neutral, etc.

- Grab: as the slowest and most defining character in the roster of the archetype "grappler", I think Incineroar's grab game needs some improvements.

* Increased grab range: slightly or moderately increase Incineroar's standing grab and pivot grab range.

* Reduced endlag: very slightly reduce the endlag of Incineroar's standard grab.

* Lowered knockback angle on back throw / Increased launching power.

- Normal Attacks

* Forward Air: increased size on the sweetspot hitbox/change to allow the sweetspot to have priority over the sourspot.

* Back Air: increased size on the sweetspot hitbox/change to allow the sweetspot to have priority over the sourspot. Slight increase to launching power, reduced landing lag.

- Special Attacks

* Darkest Lariat (Neutral B): change to reduce the endlag when hitting an opponent/invincibility frames when used in the air.

* Revenge (Down B): Increased duration of the attack when successfully using Revenge and/or add intengibility frames for the entire animation Incineroar cannot act out of when successfully using revenge.

Thanks for reading! I think these few changes aren't impossible and that if SOMEHOW all of these come true, Incineroar will truly be the scariest character in the game.
 
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I think the only way to make Incineroar even close to viable would be to increase his overrall movement speed or give him a way to actually deal with projectiles. His buttons are already very fantastic and making them better won't really solve his problems of getting in or getting back to the stage. They made Ganon terrifying in this game(at least when you're in disadvantage and he isn't..) yet he's still low tier because they didn't do anything to fix his biggest problems i.e, combo food, horrifically bad recovery, no way to approach zoners(even though he canonically has a projectile and a reflector of his own..).

Edit: Revenge not being removed by being grabbed would actually be very helpful and I didn't consider that originally until melto suggested it. I dont know why Hero gets a permanent revenge boost in Psyche Up on command, while Incineroar needs two good reads and needs to avoid getting grabbed to even make use of it.
 
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melto

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#3
I agree with Broom.
Here is what i would do to make him more competitive:

Incineroar changes 5.0.0
- Run Speed from 1.18 -> 1.3 (Slightly slower than Ganon)

- Revenge (Down-B)

.When Revenge is triggered run speed and air speed are x1.1 faster

A slight run speed buff, and another with revenge to help against the projectiles.



Also big dream but I would love :
.Revenge can't be removed by being grabbed

- Down Air

. Reduced lag by 3~4 frames

Or reducing ending lag or aerials

What do you think about that?
 

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#4
I like Incineroar being as slow as he is, I'm not gonna ask for a lot of buffs but at least I want to safely do Revenge :/
And buff f-air.
That's all, I love Inci and even if they nerf him to the ground I would still play him, I found my main since day 1 and I'm happy for that.
 

Gattsu

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Run Speed buffs is all he'd truly need to have some sick set ups

Pushing it but I'd like the sweet spot on bair to be bigger as well because it's a lottery whether you get the sweet or sourspot currently
 

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Without giving him too much, I feel just a movement buff is what he needs the absolute most (Movement/Airspeed). He struggles to close gaps and is prone to circle camping shenanigans. His buttons, in general, are some of the best I've seen a heavy get. I suppose a grab range buff (Or even end lag reduction) would be helpful. Though giving him too much would sort of tip him too far one way and I already have to deal with salty sandras whenever I win with him so...making him capable of even high tier would just make playing him more frustrating due to salt.
 

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#9
All it really needs is buff on grab range and throw knockback. Incineroar is pretty much a grappler anyways, they just need to commit to that.
 

melto

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All it really needs is buff on grab range and throw knockback. Incineroar is pretty much a grappler anyways, they just need to commit to that.
True, also a bit of grab speed.
Grab with him is trash due to his speed.

More run speed, more grab speed, more grab range...
 

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Not really a buff but speaking of gameplay changes, I would love if the victory screen had the Masked Royal at hist side

... or Ash too since he has it now, but that would be overkill since Pikachu and co would have it too and we never got the anime content byond trophy descriptions I think
 

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#12
Giving Alolan Whip super armor on the dash portion of the move and/or giving Darkest Lariat faster movement speed and less endlag could help a lot in dealing with zoners, and I don't think it would break him. He has ways to "deal" with projectiles, but nothing actually helps him approach zoners. Match-ups like Samus and Simon would still be difficult, but not practically an instant loss like they are now. Right now his only option besides shield is to jump in and possibly get anti-aired or whiff punished a hundred times.
 
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AstralSoul64

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Cross Chop easily aimable even when in mid-air, sometimes I find myself trying to recover off stage but am facing the wrong way and fall to my death. (if this is already possible then I must be missing something)

His run speed a bit faster, naturally

Revenge increasing his run speed would be great as well

Increased grab range
 
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