How many people feel like they're being watched?

KrazyKaiju · Dec 27, 2007

Who here has ever thought that message board discussions here - along with popular demand/reception of Melee - have influenced some of the decisions made by the creators of Brawl?

Frankly, this idea's been eating at me since the beginning, and I've always kept this in mind when making conjectures about characters/stages/movesets/etc.

I don't know how accurate this assumption would be, but just keep it in mind as you surf the boards today!

-KrazyKaiju

The Noob Legend · Dec 27, 2007

I know what you're saying.

How this source of Brawl-fanboyism reflects into the overall result of Brawl.

That could make sense, but who is Sakurai to listen to a bunch of us?

typh · Dec 27, 2007

Members: 84,183

Total copies of Melee sold: 6 million +

We don't have a say at all, and they don't care.

NotaModerator · Dec 27, 2007

True, but this is the largest Smash Bros. community there is. Where else could he go for ideas?

typh · Dec 27, 2007

The common sense that the other 5,920,000 people want an easier, more party-like game?

Hippochinfat · Dec 27, 2007

They actually took suggestions and stuff from Nsider way back, remember?

KrazyKaiju · Dec 27, 2007

Typh said:
The common sense that the other 5,920,000 people want an easier, more party-like game?

True. Thus, you have the multiplayer online, several co-op modes, and - (don't take my word for this) - slower gameplay.

(I wasn't at E for All, so I can't really confirm that last one)

But as a businessman, wouldn't Sakurai's goal be to keep the old fans as well as draw in new ones? Surely he'd like to make as few sacrifices as possible?

finalark · Dec 27, 2007

Hippochinfat said:
They actually took suggestions and stuff from Nsider way back, remember?

They did? So that's who to blame for the Pichu thing...

The Noob Legend · Dec 27, 2007

finalark said:
They did? So that's who to blame for the Pichu thing...

DARN YOU NSider!

Santini · Dec 27, 2007

I like to think that Sakurai has a guy or two that peruse the big message boards to see what the fans want. That doesn't seem too farfetched.

LotusMyuushin · Dec 27, 2007

This community makes up so much stuff that it has to collide with Sakurai somehow, and since you only notice the stuff that is being put in brawl, you don't notice all the stuff you've come up with that isn't in Brawl.

Therefor, no.

Hippochinfat · Dec 27, 2007

finalark said:
They did? So that's who to blame for the Pichu thing...

Most people on Nsider hated pichu and they only took suggestions for brawl not melee.

BUT... PICHU OWNS YOU I BET YOU SUPPORT FALCO PICHU FOR BRAWL BEST VIDEO GAME CHARACTER EVER I'M SERIOUS.

xbrinkx · Dec 27, 2007

Hmm, well think of it a little bit... Why would he even think of Putting Stafy in Brawl in any way if it weren't for fans talking about it? I think he was listening earlier on, but because of the production he stopped. How can he put much more in Brawl? Lol, it's huge as it is.

Yosher · Dec 27, 2007

I sometimes have the feeling at least SOMEone involved in Brawl's development is going through the boards here. Actually, the fact that the European (dunno if this also goes for US and JP) Nintendo Message boards have been closed down because there already were enough discussion boards out there makes me think that even more.

Think of it like this. You're creating a huge sequel, and you know there's a popular message board about the previous entries to the series. Wouldn't you at least want to see what the people had to say about your works? I know I would.

CaptainCrunch · Dec 27, 2007

This should be renamed the paranoia thread -_-

shadenexus18 · Dec 27, 2007

Hmmm....maybe someone from Nintendo has an account here, but I doubt it. They'd listen to us as a last resort.

I just think that Sakurai and the rest the people developing this game just take ideas from those Japanese forums.

ruffrydr017 · Dec 27, 2007

NotaModerator said:
True, but this is the largest Smash Bros. community there is. Where else could he go for ideas?

If he has to troll message boards to get new ideas, he's probably not that good of a job with his game.

Online communities all want to think they have some sort of influence, but I don't think that designers can legally take ideas, other than say, characters, from a Joe Schmo on the internet.

Norm · Dec 27, 2007

I'm sure there was a few people who went to fan forums to get an idea of what the fans were looking for.

KazenoZ · Dec 27, 2007

Have everyone already forgotten that the team making Brawl are hardcore Smashers themselves?

UltimateShinigami · Dec 27, 2007

There is at least one person that works for NOA on these boards. He made at least one long post concerning the Brawl demo at E for all. I don't remember all the details since it was from way in early October, but i'm sure you could find it if you looked

Syroco · Dec 27, 2007

No, we do not influence the development of the game.

#1 just a meager fansite.
#2 a meager AMERICAN fansite at that.

maxpower1227 · Dec 27, 2007

Sakurai already solicited suggestions and ideas from the general public long ago, and I'm sure many members here sent in some of their input. Beyond that, I don't know that he's taking advice from us. Some stuff does seem fairly coincidental, but any content that's in Brawl that was suggested on these boards was probably also suggested when Sakurai was asking for public input.

Smash legacy · Dec 27, 2007

No more pichu

Jumpinjahosafa · Dec 27, 2007

Isnt this the biggest place to find the most (reasonable) posts about brawl? American, not Japanese.

If I was a programmer, I would definately be looking at these boards.

KrazyKaiju · Dec 27, 2007

We (USA) are probably one of the particularly larger markets for this (or any) game, right?

NDUDE · Dec 27, 2007

Hippochinfat said:
Most people on Nsider hated pichu and they only took suggestions for brawl not melee.

BUT... PICHU OWNS YOU I BET YOU SUPPORT FALCO PICHU FOR BRAWL BEST VIDEO GAME CHARACTER EVER I'M SERIOUS.

Nintendo doesn't really care about its own NSiders...Besides, when did they take suggestions?

Micahc · Dec 27, 2007

If we where being watched then the updates wouldn't be crap.

axemangx · Dec 27, 2007

This is why we use reverse psycology.

"I LOOOOOOOOOOVE this! We should have alot less characters now!"

Johnknight1 · Dec 27, 2007

finalark said:
They did? So that's who to blame for the Pichu thing...

NSIDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Jumpinjahosafa said:
Isnt this the biggest place to find the most (reasonable) posts about brawl? American, not Japanese.

If I was a programmer, I would definately be looking at these boards.

Sesriously, we're the biggest smash bros. fansite ever. America=50% of Melee's sales, Japan=10% at best. Plus here on the boards we got tons of peopple from Australia, Europe, Canada, South America, Mexico, and so on. Hell, we even have people from Japan.

And Sakurai stole a lot of my Diddy Kong moveset ideas (except the final smash and nB). Darn you Sakurai! SKRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:

@ Micahc
Or mindgames. Or maybe they want Brawl hype dead in November and December. Brawl has barely any hype right now; IDC what you say=the hype is less then Duke Nukem Forever right now, and so says the gaming sites. In January-things will change. From late January to March, the gaming world will be consumed by Brawl, and swallowed WHOLE!

And besides-the SWF is the premieur tournament and competitive smash bros. site. It's where all the pros go-as well as tons of other casual and competitive players. If Nintendo doesn't know we exist, then why the f*** did Nintendo Power interview the Smashboards creator, Gideon once=??? See, I win!

@ axemangx
75 totally balanced characters in Brawl would be lamez! :laugh:

Micahc · Dec 27, 2007

Johnknight1 said:
And besides-the SWF is the premieur tournament and competitive smash bros. site. It's where all the pros go-as well as tons of other casual and competitive players. If Nintendo doesn't know we exist, then why the f*** did Nintendo Power interview the Smashboards creator, Gideon once=??? See, I win!

Because Sakurai's a jerk

And Nintendo Power has no power to influence Brawl...

Mini Mic · Dec 27, 2007

"I have no mouth and I must scream" high five to anyone who gets that.

Goopygoo · Dec 27, 2007

Doesn't Masahiro Sakurai roam the boards?

Do I even need to write jk?

GreatClayMonkey · Dec 27, 2007

ok guys ya caught me im sakurai by the way ridleys not in brawl and neither is geno or krystal or olimar or any other character that has not been announced yet except master chief also I took out sonic and replaced him with a taking walnut

I was joking... could you tell

also u guys are a little paranoid

Uchiha.Sanosuke · Dec 27, 2007

Micahc said:
If we where being watched then the updates wouldn't be crap.

And thus, the argument is done. Thread closed.

Johnknight1 · Dec 27, 2007

^ Or he has something big planned, and wants all the crap out of the way. :laugh:

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