Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
ness of safe air move (when recovering from off stage) is fair because it is super disjointed/multi hitting/shield poking. Everything else is either OK or ****ty.
Im pretty sure Not everybody can GR squirtle. im also pretty sure EVERYBODY (but samus) can GR ness.
Yeah ness is heavier. nothing crazy though.
I disagree that squirtle is easy to grab. A good squirtle (like a good ness) shouldn't be fighting on the ground almost at all. fair/bair/ provide god like air mobility (FAR better than ness. squirtle is the wario of air mobility if u consider him low tier)) and uair/dair are very good too so you have plenty of air options.
I think you underrate squirtle big time. oh and if u think NESS combos (lol), then what does squirtle do?
ive seen reflex take kismet from 5% to 73% due to him being super fatigued. even with reduced hitstun falco didnt have a move that came out fast enough to trade hits with squirtle (and thus stop the combo) because squirtle was buffering each move. now think of what would happen in LOW TIER were nearly every character is grossly slow.
anyways
Dude what i dont think you are realizing is that we are NOT comparing PT to mid tier, high tier or top tier. We are comparing PT to
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(±0)aka LOW TIER.
In low tier, most (if not all) characters are slow (except falcon), cant kill reliably, have bad recovery (except samus) and cant reliably build up damage that well (except samus/mario). Now throw in the beastly squirtle. He would auto be the fastest character air mobility wise (which is a HUGE deal), can combo the best (mario would be 2nd best), jab/tilt lock the fastest/easiest, can GR everyone in LT iirc, has the best killing throw and can OVERALL dish out the most damage the easiest (yes ganon can land a 18% fair or something but its RARE he will land that). And yes squirtle is prob the 2nd lightest in low tier but dude its LOW TIER and in LT even jiggs lasts a decent while. Weight isnt a big deal here and neither is being GR into guaranteed damage.
And that is just squirtle.
Now thrown in charizard and its ovbious that PT is by far the best character in LT and thus should be in mid tier where he belongs.
This^ is extremely short sighted/uneducated. Come on man.
no. i think ivysaur is 3rd worst in the game. hes mega poop.
Luigi has never been low tier that i remember (prob because of Boss) but ike/sonic/ness/pt/yoshi def were and they dominated hard. all of 09 and 2010 but i cant search thread on this new SWF.
You seriously under estimate PT dude. The things ive seen reflex do (to high/top tiers, mind you) is OBSCENE. I even fought him about 6-7 times back when i actually played hardcore and he opened my eyes to some PT stuff that shouldn't be overlooked.
Next time you are at Sync's, talk to illmatic about what PT did to his peach. And then ask him what would happen if PT fought LOW TIER. he might throw up all over you.
