Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Can't you just spotdodge a lot and make Sonic drop to his death?
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Honestly, should Sonic stalling really be banned?
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da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
not if eh sonic does it right
Terios: go to Hyrule Temple in training mode, move the computer as far away from you as possible, and go under any of the platforms and use HA so that it rises into the ceiling as it charges.
It's far more controllable when noone's in range, because Sonic will only bounce in the direction he's facing, whereas if someone is in range, you'll bounce alternating left and right.
The only times I've died to someone spotdodging my HA while I'm in Homing Stall is when I get stuck doing the left-right bounce, try to float towards the edge, realize I couldn't float far enough, try to use HA (with the intent of locking on), and get spotdodged and die.
It's far more controllable when noone's in range, because Sonic will only bounce in the direction he's facing, whereas if someone is in range, you'll bounce alternating left and right.
The only times I've died to someone spotdodging my HA while I'm in Homing Stall is when I get stuck doing the left-right bounce, try to float towards the edge, realize I couldn't float far enough, try to use HA (with the intent of locking on), and get spotdodged and die.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
The only way to make Sonic kill himself, is to drop down so that he locks onto you and Homing attacks down towards you.
i don't see why people believe its so easy to screw Sonic's stall considering that in such a position, he has perfect control.
Nope,
If the HA rises into the ceiling as it's charging, it can go nowhere but follow the ceiling either going left or right.
If you go under Sonic, it won't go downwards either.
He doesn't have perfect control because if someone is in homing range, it will alternate the ceiling bounce left and right. You can't do a:
[bounce right] > [bounce right] > [bounce right and spring back to the stage]
if someone's in range.
It's more like
[bounce right] > [bounce left]... etc
If the person starts to move then it will begin to bounce towards the person again, and if you can drag Sonic to the middle of the stage, he's completely trapped - set up for an edgeguard, grab gimp, or edgehog, depending on how far the edge is from the center.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
i dont feel like correcting shadowlink right now...
maybe later when im up to get an easy win...lawl
maybe later when im up to get an easy win...lawl
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Lolz. Stalling is gay. Learn to play.
Traviz
Smash Cadet
agreed flamingo
In a normal match, I don't think anyone here would really rely on stalling for anything longer than like, 30 seconds. A large majority of our matches end long before the timer is even close to running out.
In a tournament match where money's on the line, if either:
- stalling isn't banned in the tourney
or
- this specific counterable "stall" isn't banned
... then it would be a viable tactic to win, which is, in that setting, what matters.
In a tournament match where money's on the line, if either:
- stalling isn't banned in the tourney
or
- this specific counterable "stall" isn't banned
... then it would be a viable tactic to win, which is, in that setting, what matters.
Browny
Smash Hater
man i would love to go to a usa tourney and stall the hell out of some marth/DDD for seven minutes. I liked the commentary in the SCLA tourney (or whatever it was called)
"the only thing that matters is at the end of the game where is says 'and the winner is', if it says your name, thats all there is to it"
Its all good and fair until it happens to them... hahaha
"the only thing that matters is at the end of the game where is says 'and the winner is', if it says your name, thats all there is to it"
Its all good and fair until it happens to them... hahaha
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
*Copy/Paste post from stalling thread*
So how exactly is this different from you just standing on one side of the stage while the opponent does nothing about it? The "stall" has a definite counter even without actually going below the stage to hit Sonic (you simply make him come back up to you), and if they chose to blatantly ignore that counter then there's no reason to penalize you.
Stalls are banned because by definition their only purpose is to break gameplay by rendering the opponent unable to affect you. However, HA "stall" does not fit this, thus it is not a stall and thus it should not be banned.
Now I know that there is no longer any practical application of the HA "stall" (since it is not truly a stall), and it will not see any competitive use, but even if unbanning it has absolutely no effect on tournament play I think it should be unbanned based on the simple principle that you do not ban things that aren't broken.
You know, all of these are pretty much reasons why it shouldn't be banned. The opponent has complete control of where Sonic goes, and can simply force him to come back up because of the mechanics of HA.
So how exactly is this different from you just standing on one side of the stage while the opponent does nothing about it? The "stall" has a definite counter even without actually going below the stage to hit Sonic (you simply make him come back up to you), and if they chose to blatantly ignore that counter then there's no reason to penalize you.
Stalls are banned because by definition their only purpose is to break gameplay by rendering the opponent unable to affect you. However, HA "stall" does not fit this, thus it is not a stall and thus it should not be banned.
Now I know that there is no longer any practical application of the HA "stall" (since it is not truly a stall), and it will not see any competitive use, but even if unbanning it has absolutely no effect on tournament play I think it should be unbanned based on the simple principle that you do not ban things that aren't broken.
The funny thing is that it was originally posted in this thread.
After looking back at it, I can really see where the OP is going with the "why it shouldn't be banned" reasoning.
I'm not sure if the opponent can really bring Sonic back to the edge, but anyway, I just really hate getting stuck under the stage, so I hate the 'tactic'.
Brawl4Lyfe
Smash Rookie
it's funny
it works
it's still stalling
no johns why do people argue
in favor of this tactic, it's useless anyway, who cares if it's banned
it works
it's still stalling
no johns why do people argue
in favor of this tactic, it's useless anyway, who cares if it's banned
infomon
Smash Scientist
It doesn't work
It's not stalling
...... this post edited to be less flaming. Sorry. But come on, did you even read this thread?
It's not stalling
...... this post edited to be less flaming. Sorry. But come on, did you even read this thread?
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
infzy actually flamed someone.
OMG.
<3
OMG.
<3
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
exactly as colin says.
all you have to do is play a character with a glide attack or a decent projectile...
all you have to do is play a character with a glide attack or a decent projectile...
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
I'm seriously surprised this got any input.
Who honestly stalls?
No one.
Who honestly stalls?
No one.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
Smash Master
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This is a rubbish form of stalling. Whether it should be banned or not...hmm
Technically it is stalling but think of how many stages Sonic can legitmatly do this on
FD: The only real legitmate place. Can still be knocked out by long range projectiles
BF: Not big enough. The crystal in the center stops him from really going anyway. Short range projectiles/probably most characters can get to him
SV: The stage is too thin (I think?) so you can just lure Sonic back to the edge. It's also not a very big stage so most characters can go down and hit him
YI (Brawl): You can't Homing Stall here
As for counterpicks...I can't think of many stages apart from Corneria and Pictochat that would allow him to do this
Also, this type of stalling is, in stalling terms, really really crap. It doesn't give Sonic any kind of invincibilty, he has limited control over where he goes and if the stalling is stopped in some form or another, Sonic is in a position where he will most likely die
Technically it is stalling but think of how many stages Sonic can legitmatly do this on
FD: The only real legitmate place. Can still be knocked out by long range projectiles
BF: Not big enough. The crystal in the center stops him from really going anyway. Short range projectiles/probably most characters can get to him
SV: The stage is too thin (I think?) so you can just lure Sonic back to the edge. It's also not a very big stage so most characters can go down and hit him
YI (Brawl): You can't Homing Stall here
As for counterpicks...I can't think of many stages apart from Corneria and Pictochat that would allow him to do this
Also, this type of stalling is, in stalling terms, really really crap. It doesn't give Sonic any kind of invincibilty, he has limited control over where he goes and if the stalling is stopped in some form or another, Sonic is in a position where he will most likely die
infomon
Smash Scientist
It's been done to me in tournament. It's a legitimate strategy. I still think 7minutes is too short for Brawl 3-stocksI'm seriously surprised this got any input.
Who honestly stalls?
No one.
When there's a minute left on the timer and you're both at last stock, whoever's ahead just starts playing really defensive / stally.For Sonic particularly, it just happens to me sometimes as the consequence of a failed recovery. Good thing it's not actually stalling, otherwise I might get called out for stalling when I'm just returning to the stage, which would be dumb.
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Yeah. I HATE it when that happens. I'm always afraid they're going to be like, "YOU STALLED MATCH GOES TO ME!" and I'm like, "You had a 30 percent lead and there was 5 minutes left..."