Hollow Knight's Hornet Strikes Hard! Support for a new Indie rep!

[Cadillac]

For a Hollow Knight character, I'd feel the best fitting series icon would be the Crest of Hallownest AKA the save symbol
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Also I decided to try my hand at some Hollow Knight spirit ideas and their rankings if Hornet was a character. I haven't thought of what their spirit battle would actually play yet.

The Knight ★★

Void Entity (Enhanced) ★★★

Zote the Mighty ★

Quirrel ★★

Cornifer ★

The Last Stag ★★

Grub ★

The Dreamers ★★★
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Troupe Master Grimm ★★★

The Hollow Knight ★★★★

Knight can be a Toon Link.
Quirrel would be Marth or Ike.
Also Tiso spirit? Tiso is Link with shield equipped, and after defeating Link Bowser crashes down.

 

[Cadillac]

Sorry for doubleposting, but I made this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XGHrsnACDq_Mw9KxGOWPojrVKaPrEoOOCLtothfB7aE/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

[fogbadge]

ive only just found out that my copy of hollow knight has the grimm troupe dlc in it, maybe i should check it out

 

[Cee_SSB]

Those are some good spirit ideas. Any thoughts on abilities? I think it'd be good to base them off of how they're portrayed in game.

Also, the re-write of the moveset is still WIP.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/g4c2yr Yoo look at this!

Those look awesome!

Sorry for doubleposting, but I made this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XGHrsnACDq_Mw9KxGOWPojrVKaPrEoOOCLtothfB7aE/edit?usp=drivesdk

This is also very awesome! I especially love the idea of the two Neutral Specials.

 

[QQS]

Hornet to Smash! Or The Knight! Don’t know if they can join the battle like that but it would be amazing! Totally support some Hollow Knight representation! I think they have perfect movesets for Smash, they’re amazing characters!

Anyway, my prediction is that The Knight will be a 100% premium Mii costume joining somewhere in June with character #76 (Arms) and character #77 (Geno).

 

[Cadillac]

Hornet to Smash! Or The Knight! Don’t know if they can join the battle like that but it would be amazing! Totally support some Hollow Knight representation! I think they have perfect movesets for Smash, they’re amazing characters!

Anyway, my prediction is that The Knight will be a 100% premium Mii costume joining somewhere in June with character #76 (Arms) and character #77 (Geno).

I think Knight will be a costume. Not sure about Hornet though. I hope she becomes playable.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Is it possible for this poll to be updated to add "Mii+ costume?"
That is the perfect role for Hollow Knight, in mine, and likely many peoples, eyes.

 

[Cadillac]

I wish they put the Silksong demo at the eShop.

 

[Cee_SSB]

I will certainly update the poll!

 

[Cadillac]

This is a thing that I just found out that may work with Hornet's favor.
So the 'iconic character' rule may have been broken by Joker.
Joker is the most recent protagonist, but not the most iconic. Apparently the most iconic protagonist is the 3rd protagonist.(the blue hair boy)
If we get a HK fighter, the reason is probably for promoting Silksong. When they add a character is added for promotional purposes, the protagonist of that game is added. That's the case with Luminary, too. So to promote Silksong, I think they'll add Hornet as the fighter instead of the Knight.

 

[fogbadge]

This is a thing that I just found out that may work with Hornet's favor.
So the 'iconic character' rule may have been broken by Joker.
Joker is the most recent protagonist, but not the most iconic. Apparently the most iconic protagonist is the 3rd protagonist.(the blue hair boy)
If we get a HK fighter, the reason is probably for promoting Silksong. When they add a character is added for promotional purposes, the protagonist of that game is added. That's the case with Luminary, too. So to promote Silksong, I think they'll add Hornet as the fighter instead of the Knight.

is he? i though persona 5 was the most successful and most popular

 

[Cadillac]

is he? i though persona 5 was the most successful and most popular

He is, but the most iconic is the third. I just asked the persona reddit, and although Joker is more popular(counting Smash. I don't know how was it back then before Joker came to smash) but they said 3rd is still the most iconic.

 

[fogbadge]

He is, but the most iconic is the third. I just asked the persona reddit, and although Joker is more popular(counting Smash. I don't know how was it back then before Joker came to smash) but they said 3rd is still the most iconic.

well you cant use one website as a base for the entire fandom, especially not reddit, iconicness comes from recognisability and the more popular something is the more recognisable it is

 

[Cadillac]

well you cant use one website as a base for the entire fandom, especially not reddit, iconicness comes from recognisability and the more popular something is the more recognisable it is

Hmm ok. Maybe I should ask people on twitter.
So... is the thing about Joker breaking the iconic first means nothing?

 

[fogbadge]

Hmm ok. Maybe I should ask people on twitter.
So... is the thing about Joker breaking the iconic first means nothing?

i cant be sure im an outside observer, but i would think so as being more known to the gaming community makes him more iconic

 

[OnyanRings]

It would make more sense for The Vessel to be the Hollow Knight rep but to tell you the truth... I just like Hornet's character more, so i'll support her inclusion.

 

[Cadillac]

i cant be sure im an outside observer, but i would think so as being more known to the gaming community makes him more iconic

Oh ok.
Hmm. Surely Joker is more well known now, but we don't know how it was back then. I think the fourth one got into lots of crossovers.

 

[fogbadge]

Oh ok.
Hmm. Surely Joker is more well known now, but we don't know how it was back then. I think the fourth one got into lots of crossovers.

thats true, characters can be forgetten easily enough

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Oh ok.
Hmm. Surely Joker is more well known now, but we don't know how it was back then. I think the fourth one got into lots of crossovers.

Yu Narukami? Heck yes he did. Not only did he have his original game? He had not one but three follow up games, and two spin-offs. Let's not mention showing up in Cross-Tag as well as Lord of Vermillion. And while I didn't know this apparently he got into a Star Ocean mobile game as a collab? Either way, I feel like Yu probably is the most well-known of the Persona Protags.

 

[Cadillac]

Yu Narukami? Heck yes he did. Not only did he have his original game? He had not one but three follow up games, and two spin-offs. Let's not mention showing up in Cross-Tag as well as Lord of Vermillion. And while I didn't know this apparently he got into a Star Ocean mobile game as a collab? Either way, I feel like Yu probably is the most well-known of the Persona Protags.

Aight, thanks. Above I said 3rd protag might be the most iconic. Am I correct or no?

 

[Aurora Jenny]

The 3rd is probably the most iconic because that game was the one to set the mold for future Persona games as far as experimenting with the system we know now, Social Links, building bonds, etc. The one to really start delving into the mechanics. I don't hear much about P1 and P2 for that reason. I'll have to look into it, but there's your answer.

 

[Cadillac]

The 3rd is probably the most iconic because that game was the one to set the mold for future Persona games as far as experimenting with the system we know now, Social Links, building bonds, etc. The one to really start delving into the mechanics. I don't hear much about P1 and P2 for that reason. I'll have to look into it, but there's your answer.

Ok, thanks for the reply.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

No problem, I could be wrong, but if I had to guess why the 3rd game had such an impact that would be it. Alongside the very good story.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Made this thought y'all might like it

 

[Cadillac]

Made this thought y'all might like it

Cool. Care to explain the classic route?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Cool. Care to explain the classic route?

Honestly no, haha.

I really couldn't think of anything clever for her classic route so I just thought of characters that would be cool for Hornet to fight.

 

[zferolie]

Is there a reason we haven't heard or seen anything on this new game since over a year ago? Is development going that poorly?

 

[Cadillac]

Is there a reason we haven't heard or seen anything on this new game since over a year ago? Is development going that poorly?

I don't know. The virus may be hindering them but then online working is a thing. Maybe they're really hiding something?
Btw King Sonnn DeDeDoo , can I share this on reddit?

 

[fogbadge]

I don't know. The virus may be hindering them but then online working is a thing. Maybe they're really hiding something?
Btw King Sonnn DeDeDoo , can I share this on reddit?

its been a bit quiet since before the pandemic

 

[zferolie]

its been a bit quiet since before the pandemic

Yeah, we haven't heard anything I think since really that announcment trailer last year

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, we haven't heard anything I think since really that announcment trailer last year

which is a shame, but what can ya do

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I don't know. The virus may be hindering them but then online working is a thing. Maybe they're really hiding something?
Btw King Sonnn DeDeDoo , can I share this on reddit?

Sure!

 

[zferolie]

which is a shame, but what can ya do

There was a demo from a convention a few months ago, wish they could put that out.

 

[fogbadge]

There was a demo from a convention a few months ago, wish they could put that out.

ooh that would have been fun to try

 

[Cadillac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/ghob2b King Sonnn DeDeDoo people love your idea. It got over 200 upvotes!

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

now I wish I put more thought into the classic route haha!

 

[Cadillac]

Sorry for doubleposting, but I made this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XGHrsnACDq_Mw9KxGOWPojrVKaPrEoOOCLtothfB7aE/edit?usp=drivesdk

I made this moveset a while back, in April. Is this too basic?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I made this moveset a while back, in April. Is this too basic?

I think with the Silk and Tool mechanics it's definitely not too basic. Also I really like that you included gifs for the attacks.

Maybe spend a little more time specifying some of the normal attacks, such as the jab down tilt, up air, and up smash. Another suggestion I might have is to maybe slightly lessen the amount of uses per tool. (The "Shawblade" name is great btw)

Also it would be really cool if Hornet could control which way she throws the needle with the Needle Throw attack in air instead of a set diagonal angle.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Is there a reason we haven't heard or seen anything on this new game since over a year ago?

There was a small update back in december on Team Cherry's website:

"Silksong Development Progress

Right up front: We’re still going, building this (very large) game. Our desire to keep building, and building, and building sure hasn’t diminished, but our timelines have stretched a bit both to account for all that exciting new stuff and to tie up everything else.

As a small progress tease: You may remember for Silksong we promised over 150 all new enemies. To us, that always seemed a conservative estimate, and it turns out we were right! Here are just a few foes that came to life this week, enemy number 163, 164 and 165.

Though their names shall remain a mystery, we can say they’re members of a scholarly suite, former tenders of a dusty vault full of ancient knowledge. This is a tough later game trio who, when in battle, work closely together, covering for each other’s weaknesses.

And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game.

We can’t wait to one day talk about all the wild evolutions to this new world that’ve taken place behind the scenes, but that day’ll have to wait until after the game is out and in your hands."

Also 2 songs from the game's soundtrack were released around that time on Christopher Larkin's youtube channel and bandcamp:

From what i can gather from this and other interviews, the game is going to be huge and since they're a relatively small team with pretty high standards of quality, it's understandable that they need more time to complete/polish the game.

 

[Cee_SSB]

Yeah, indie game development can be plagued with delays and radio silence from smaller devs as they chug away on their games. We can only wait in anticipation.

Also, quick update on the re-write, doing school at home during quarantine has been pretty stressful for me and has left me with few chances to work on it. I thought that maybe we could all contribute parts to the moveset to create a Challenger Pack that we would all like? Just wanted to put the idea out there to see if we want to do it.

If we don't, I've already seen plenty of good ideas from comments on this thread and on other social media that I would be willing to incorporate into my moveset.