Help with Getting Better

[KaneStaff]

Hey, everyone! First of all, thanks for checking out this thread.

I've hit a bit of a wall with growing in my Smash skills recently... I've gotten to a point where I can't figure out what to do to improve. Therefore, I'm posting here!

I recently hosted a little tournament and I have a few videos of my gameplay, but I only played Marth twice. If I could get some pointers for improving my play, I would be extremely appreciative.

Here are the videos where I play Marth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzuFV-JQ8x4&index=5&list=PLIna1lXufKktAt0UJdMSsY5_DqxI2fVWy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KfHyHXO0b8&index=2&list=PLIna1lXufKktAt0UJdMSsY5_DqxI2fVWy

Here's all the videos streamed from the tournament: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIna1lXufKktAt0UJdMSsY5_DqxI2fVWy

Any advice on any characters I use or general Smashing skill would be awesome, but I would like to especially focus on my Marth.

Thanks a ton! I really appreciate any advice.

 

[IcefireD]

From the one match I watched you should to use more of Marth's tilts. His dtilt is quite good in neutral. His utilt can be used to get massive damage if your opponent is on a platform above you. When offstage you can use side b to get more horizontal distance. At one point Zelda was up b-ing back to edge and you did a regular get up, while you should have pressed L or R, so she couldnt grab ledge. This is what I gathered from the first video, which is the only one I watched so you might have done all this in the other videos.

 

[KaneStaff]

Thanks a ton! Yeah, I don't use dtilt much... I also have problems choosing a ledge option... Any advice on that? I know it's kind-of vague :D

 

[meebius]

You never utilized Marth's amazing dash dance, instead you always approached with an aerial and used wavedashing as a method for spacing (which gets very predictable).

 

[KaneStaff]

That makes sense for the dash dancing and aerials, but I'm not quite sure what you intend for wavedashing. Could you clear up a couple of things for me:

What other uses it would serve?

And how would I space otherwise?

Thanks a bunch for the help!

 

[meebius]

The purpose of wavedashing is that it opens up another option for movement. It allows you to use your standing options while moving, otherwise out of a run, you'd only be able to use dash attack and grab. It can also be done out of shield, allowing another safer option rather than rolling. But it gets very predictable if that is your only method of movement, since wavedash only covers a set amount of distance. While it is good, the overuse of it diminishes its value.

Dash Dancing + Wavedash
With the combination of the two it mixes up your approaches making you less predictable and harder to read. Dash dancing allows you to not commit positionally, letting you adjust your position accordingly to your opponent's moves. I always reference this video when someone asks about spacing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBuAo_Bfvw

 

[KaneStaff]

Thank you very much! This helps a ton :D That really is a good video!

 

[APESAUCE]

also use nair more. work on dding, wavelanding. u have a good marth just work on mixups and not relying on fsmash so much.

 

[KaneStaff]

Awesome, thanks! I'll work on this stuff and hopefully have another set of videos up soon enough.

 

[Knee_Of_Justice]

Your not grabbing enough make use of his long grab range also it's good to use his up tilts to juggle

 

[KaneStaff]

K, that makes sense. Thanks!

 

[SaltySmasher]

I wouldn't approach with wavedash as much. As meebius said, WDing can become predictable and using it to approach isn't as safe as it looks, as it is a tad laggy.