Heckling

[hungrybox]

pockyDefinition

 

[SleepyK]

hey i was there. so was drugged fox
so were doh, wobbles, and hungrybox
so was yay (the culprit)

we're all in position (oh babe) and we all agree it was too far. It won't happen again, at least in an ATL south tournament with people outside of our region.

I wish we could suggest a standardized ruleset (beyond stage lists) but no one would listen to us anyway.

 

[pockyD]

if you all know it was too far then it was too far

the problem comes when you're trying to translate it into something that the rest of us, as people who were not present, can understand and can somehow generalize into an acceptable rule

 

[Skler]

Check this out.

"Personal insults will not be tolerated at tournaments and noise must be kept at a level where the game may be clearly heard by both players. Failure to do so will result in disqualification or expulsion from the venue depending on the severity of the violation."

I think that covers a lot of bases.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

hey i was there. so was drugged fox
so were doh, wobbles, and hungrybox
so was yay (the culprit)

we're all in position (oh babe) and we all agree it was too far. It won't happen again, at least in an ATL south tournament with people outside of our region.

I wish we could suggest a standardized ruleset (beyond stage lists) but no one would listen to us anyway.

lol Yes, I was the only one getting loud and obnoxious at the whole tournament! -blatant sarcasm- While I maybe have been trash talking a few people while they played, a VAST majority of it was actually about the game and what happened IN the game. I probably said a total of less than 5 things that were actually considered "personal", and that's mostly because D'oH is actually homosexual... so you can't really say "ur gay!" without it actually having meaning. Too bad saying "gay" and "******" etc is pretty common and habitual in the smash community.

Define "too far" because the only thing I consider too far was some of the things I said to D'oH. Noise levels weren't too loud because I could hear the game from where I was standing, a good 15 feet away.. so I wasn't too close to the players either. So, I guess "too far" would be the fact that some people can't handle the fact that others want to cheer against them and say whatever else.

That's just something you're going to have to accept, at large tournaments, some players will have a fanbase that is going to get retardedly loud because they're the hometown hero. It's just how it is. When I played RockCrock at CEO, it got so loud with the cheers and screaming for him I literally couldn't hear myself think for a few seconds and FELT the vibrations of their voices in my controller. His friends wanted him to win... that's fine.

D'oH, if the things I said to you personally offended you, it wasn't my intention and I am sorry. If you had come up to me in person after the set and said something I would've apologized then. It's hard to not get carried away and take some jokes a tad too far and hurt feelings, which obviously was the case here. I apologize for that.

However, I won't apologize for the fact that I cheered to start with. It's a competition and it's expected for there to be sides. If one side cheers and jeers, as long as it isn't directly in your ear or talking about your dead mom, it is just a thing you have to work through.

@Skler - that rule seems good in theory but what happens if someone is landing an amazing combo and everyone explodes into cheering for a good 30-40 seconds after, which is really common? Will the players being loud still get in trouble? What happens in the thousands of scenarios where it could be debated either way? I've never seen a rule like that work, unless the rule states you can't make ANY noise period, no matter what.

 

[Drephen]

"you have a gay playing style"

oooo! oooo! thats me!!!!!


yeah it sucks all pro players have gone through the same thing everytime you travel. you just gotta deal. unless like things get "physical"<---(haha lulz lulz) you cant really enforce it. Best thing ive learned is to either
a) yell back
b) tune it out (hard sometimes with people destroying your ear drums)
c)get your own crew to back you up and **** talk back (watty was like equal to 6 trash talkers lol)

i always try just to cheer for who your rooting for so try to do the same (though i do have my moments of being a hypocrite LOL) but you will always have heckler so you just gotta learn to deal. But i do think TO's could call people out on it. All heckling does is discourage traveling and ruin the tourney scene

sup backroom

 

[swordgard]

Check this out.

"Personal insults will not be tolerated at tournaments and noise must be kept at a level where the game may be clearly heard by both players. Failure to do so will result in disqualification or expulsion from the venue depending on the severity of the violation."

I think that covers a lot of bases.

I don't think I recall any games at apex where I could hear the sound of the game.

 

[forward]

In my own defense, Umbreon, I was not right in M2K's ears. I was a good ~15feet away, but your point still stands. I didn't realize that it was wrong at the time but shortly after the tournament I apologized to M2K. Since then I have tried to speak up for people who get insulted and I tell people not to insult players directly if I hear them do it. I had once paused a tourney game mid match to tell someone not to insult my opponent and that I was not OK with that.

If anyone thinks that, bar none, you have to "deal with it" then my response is that you may have not experienced the worst of it. I'm sure that I and many others could say enough ****ed up things to anyone in the community that would break their concentration and they would not be able to tune it out without earplugs or headphones.

There most definitely needs to be a rule so that insults are not tolerated. Cheering is part of the game, and you are a great player if you can win when no one cheers for you, but no one should have to deal with racist, homophobic, derogatory and negative hate that people can say. This goes without saying. We don't tolerate it at work, at school, or anywhere else in society, so why tolerate it at a smash tourney? It should be no different.

 

[Alex Strife]

thats a great statement forward and I agree with you 100%. I think the main thing is that we need TOs to really state this ahead of time. It should not be something that we should be dealing with.

 

[unknown522]

agreed with forward as well.

We should have big matches setup like how it was at apex. The one projector with the separator was good, since people were so far away, that it's less distracting.

Personally, I hate when people are right in my ear, even if it's friends cheering for me (and it's worse when people are insulting of course). It gets distracting sometimes, though I'm sure that most of you don't mind being cheered for up close.

 

[Alex Strife]

why not help to encourage TOs to do this. Obviously we cannot change them all but I will make an effort for helping keeping things civil. Maybe a rule on heckling. Really flesh out what heckling is defined as.

Something like this



- During matches there is to be no offensive language or comments that are derogatory to the person race, gender, or orientation at the venue. If this is occurring, please contact the TO. If this is found to be true, those involved may
be removed from the venue or forfeit their matches. All this is under the hosts discretion.

From there you can have warnings and such and go from there.

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

I don't think a having a formal rule is really necessary, I think what needs to happen is the TO should be aware (or made aware by someone else) if something like this happens, and to warn the offending party or kick him out of the venue. The TO should also probably state in his own words, either in the OP of the tourney thread or by announcement at the tourney, a general idea of what is going to get you in trouble.

 

[Slhoka]

I don't think a having a formal rule is really necessary, I think what needs to happen is the TO should be aware (or made aware by someone else) if something like this happens, and to warn the offending party or kick him out of the venue. The TO should also probably state in his own words, either in the OP of the tourney thread or by announcement at the tourney, a general idea of what is going to get you in trouble.

I agree with this. Adding too many rules may be detrimental to their impact on people.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

I agree with this. Adding too many rules may be detrimental to their impact on people.

And we may potentially have more Cheese like people.

*sees Zhu vs Mango as next match*
Mango: omg get ***** m2k (while watching an m2k match)
Zhu: ALEX STRIFE MANGO SAID THE R WORD BAN HIM
Mango: ***!(*&* 8*!&(8& 8(&!*
Zhu: HE SAID IT AGAIN, HE SAID "***!(*&* 8*!&(8& 8(&!*"
Mango: ='(
Zhu: =D



But on a serious note, I really like the separation idea (whoever suggested it). Playing on a stage / in isolation makes it hard to even hear trashtalk, and it's just an experience / privilege that top players should experience at least once. Ahhh Genesis.

 

[forward]

I don't think a having a formal rule is really necessary ....

..... The TO should also probably state in his own words, either in the OP of the tourney thread or by announcement at the tourney, a general idea of what is going to get you in trouble.

That's what a rule is....

 

[Skler]

I think clarifying it for TOs is nice. I understand that for all games (first games in bracket, etc) you can't always hear well, but for games in semis and actual finals I feel that they should be able to hear the game. I love crowds and I don't mind it when they get loud, but it is annoying when you can't use audio cues.

Maybe a more lax rule of "everyone should stop being *****" is in order.

 

[Alex Strife]

I think making an official rule is fine. I think how you treat the rule is how TOs discretion plays into it.

 

[pockyD]

i think having a rule is a bad idea if it will cause people to actively pause their matches and call over a TO to address what they PERCEIVE to be an injustice due to the rule

I think if the heckling isn't over the top and obvious to everyone in the venue, including the T.O. from anywhere they're sitting, it's not something that should be punishable