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Seriously? After all these changes that's still in there?
Thats so sad. It was one of the big changes i was hoping for tbh. Although I dont think this hurts her too much, considering she's got the best/most consistent horizontal recovery in the game.
This made me super excited until I realized they are most likely gonna nerf this somehow.
peach had 0 to death combos in smash4 at release and they patched it all out. Don't get excited for this stuff guys.
It's amazing, but it's gonna get patched. And really anything too good should be.
Yeah all attacks have a lot less landing lag. It's like if you l-cancelled in melee. The moves that had more lag benefit the most.
It feels so good to finally watch some peach videos where i don't have to constantly put up with watching FFA or final smashes. can finally focus on her gamecool. although I feel like wolf wasnt played right.
Both are good characters tho
That's true. I was more focused on daisy, but I do actually think I'll be alternating between her and peach. They're both pretty awesome
Looking at the distance, I think it just happened to land on the edge there.
Hm that was my other thought. Wasn’t sure how far it went. Thank you. :-)
Good question.I think so, but I'm not sure. Yoshi's eggs do.
iirc they don’t have a hit box. Would like confirmation on that. I also wonder if you can regrab after the bounce.
Different characters good for different things, I guess
Not sure about the hitbox, but im pretty sure it can be regrabbed.
I'll take that as a yes...? lolDifferent characters good for different things, I guess
I dont see that crossup very often, so might not be that big of a deal. Maybe for sonic.
Oh. Well I'm assuming that it works at ground height too, since it works a little higher. I'd be surprised if it didn't, but I'm not 100% on it.
It would make zero sense if you couldn’t at least, I dunno, d-throw to regrab? It already makes zero sense for it to have no hitbox. Why am I so intransigent in believing this is true......?
Are you sure? I thought I saw someone talk about regrabbing the bounce on twitter. Might be wrong.
From the Landing Lag/Generalized Frame Data thread in General Discussion.
I’m okay with that. The more I think about it, the more I think it’d be weird if you could regrab. With the aforementioned buffs to turnips (toss speed and knockback; evidence: https://twitter.com/LingLing_21S/status/1069803048669716480?s=20) you’d essentially be handing out good projectiles to your opponent.
Nair: 7 frames
Fair: 13 frames
Bair: 11 frames
Uair: 7 frames
Dair: 8 frames
Fullhop height: 2.5 stage units
Shorthop height: 1.2 stage units
Interesting Notes: You cannot float-cancel aerials for less landing lag (wasn't present in Smash 4 anyway). Peach is invincible during frames 8-10 of Toad counter. Toad is a 61 frame move if it misses. Turnip pluck takes 37 frames. Turnips now bounce once off the ground, this is purely visual, as they become duds after they hit the ground. Peach has invincibility on her head and arm/hand during active upsmash. SideB now goes a lot farther (its actually good for recovery), but doesn't explode on walls. If you sideB from a fullhop, it will cancel by the time you hit the ground. Fsmash now lets you select racket, club, or pan based on the angle you swing it at - you can see the selection visually change as you angle the move while you charge it, and you can change it whenever you want while charging. Hovering still completely halts upward momentum, so Peach can zip up and down like she can in Smash 4. Fastfall Dair1 combos into jab if you're frame perfect.
About Daisy: At first glance I couldn't tell you what the difference is about Daisy?
Aight. Well, they're good enough as they are, i guess
Turnips I think. It's definitely a matchup that does not favour Peach at all so being patient is a necessity. Dashing backwards then throwing turnips would probably be your main way of starting anything, and don't let him forget you have a counter too.
You have to play the matchup differently than you'd normally play. You just can't beat Marth in the air. Turnip pressure will force him to approach you, and from there you want to try to control the pace of the match to capitalize on his mistakes. If you get him above you, his landing options are pretty limited against peach. His recovery is also somewhat exploitable, so don't be afraid to contest him if you get him offstage. He has to worry a lot more about making it back than you do.
