Hard to wavedash consecutively?

[Gravitirax]

Hi, I've been trying to learn to wd multiple times quickly (It's done on stream a lot.) but I always have problems. I can easily wd once, but when I do the exact same thing for the second time, I either airdodge or shorthop. I can do it slowly (About 3 times per second) but I don't know how to speed it up.

 

["YOLO"]

Tell us how much time you've been practicing it. So we'll tell you if it's natural that u can't and you just need to keep practicing, or if you need serious help.

 

[Gravitirax]

Tell us how much time you've been practicing it. So we'll tell you if it's natural that u can't and you just need to keep practicing, or if you need serious help.

I learned to wavedash some time ago, thinking it's only used once at a time. Then I see M2K / Armada using it instead of any other form of movement so I decided to start learning to do it today. It started becoming annoying so I came here for tips.

EDIT: I saw it a bit here: http://youtu.be/_6msKCpYHEI?t=3m49s

 

[Superw0rri0]

Just keep going at it and try to implement it when you're actually playing. It'll become more and more natural over time.

 

[Varist]

there's no secret trick to wavedashing you just literally figure out the timing and then imprint that into your fingers with muscle memory.

so bad news is we can't tell you a "trick" to help you wavedash better

but the good news is I have never known anyone in my life who had cerebral palsy so you should be able to learn just fine

have you actually sat down and tried the movement for a solid hour? guarantee you can learn it in an hour. you're prob just being kinda lazy unless you really thought there was some info that you didn't know about consecutive wavedashes but it's that simple you just learn the timing and get your fingers to do what you want as fast as you need them to.

 

[Gravitirax]

there's no secret trick to wavedashing you just literally figure out the timing and then imprint that into your fingers with muscle memory.

so bad news is we can't tell you a "trick" to help you wavedash better

but the good news is I have never known anyone in my life who had cerebral palsy so you should be able to learn just fine

have you actually sat down and tried the movement for a solid hour? guarantee you can learn it in an hour. you're prob just being kinda lazy unless you really thought there was some info that you didn't know about consecutive wavedashes but it's that simple you just learn the timing and get your fingers to do what you want as fast as you need them to.

I just went at it for about an hour, I can do it almost spot on now. Also, one more thing. Sometimes I see pros doing something that looks exactly like running, but it's more slidy. Do you know what it might be? It doesn't look like wavedashing either... Like what leffen does here (Not the dashdance): http://youtu.be/D3Tvwq5Y34s?t=4m5s
http://youtu.be/D3Tvwq5Y34s?t=4m5s

 

[Zylo]

It is wavedashing. Just very good wavedashing. And just like everyone else said, once you just practice it (a lot) it becomes a second-nature sort of thing. Best of luck!

 

["YOLO"]

That was dash dance with wavedashes; anyway another way to move fast is dash then wavedash in the same direction, then again, that is faster than spam wavedash in many characters. But try that till you can wavedash naturally.

And yeah, just keep practicing, in 2 months it'll feel natural.

 

[lolChance]

also I'm not good but what helped me was switching to a CRT tv everything just clicked...I dunno what setup your using but it could be that or just straight mechanics. I like to listen to earbud music and zone in on single fingers. Hope that helps 95% of it is practice though.

 

[Zodiac]

Not being able to wavedash consistently generally means that you are doing it to fast and that you aren't at the level yet that you can do it over and over again. Try slowing down and thinking more about each input for a little while, then get faster as you feel more comfortable.

 

[xCardiac]

Yeah Leffen was dashing with wavedashing. Just make your way around a stage, like yoshi's story. It's kinda fun. I don't recall the name, but the ice climber's stage where the camera/stage keeps moving is a fun one to practice wavedashing and wavelanding on. Try fast falling off all platforms into a waveland and wavedash from there. If you hold shield as you slide off a platform, you keep momentum. Hope your muscle memory has improved.

 

[prisoner]

recently I began practicing wavedashing in training mode with slo-mo turned on, and gradually speeding it up. as a musician, I've always been told "if you can't do it slow, you can't do it fast", so often the best way to learn complex licks is to do it reeeaaally slowly. speed comes naturally with proper execution.

sure enough, my wavedashing has improved more in the last week than it has in years. in particular, I used to have trouble releasing the shield button after sliding, and the slo-mo practice has already started clearing this up.

another thing that helps me a lot is practicing in reps or heats (or whatever you want to call it). essentially, I'll hope into an 8 minute match and wavedash around until the timer is up, then I'll put the controller down. an hour later, I'll do it again, and then an hour later do it again... so long as you are practicing proper wavedashes ("practice doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect"), this will really help get it under your fingers quickly.

 

[Player -0]

I wouldn't Wavedash in slow motion, the ONLY reason you would want to do that is see how it looks when you execute it. It would just be better to start quickly, I can actually do WD in normal time but not in slow motion. It'll just screw with your timing.

 

[xCardiac]

recently I began practicing wavedashing in training mode with slo-mo turned on, and gradually speeding it up. as a musician, I've always been told "if you can't do it slow, you can't do it fast", so often the best way to learn complex licks is to do it reeeaaally slowly. speed comes naturally with proper execution.

sure enough, my wavedashing has improved more in the last week than it has in years. in particular, I used to have trouble releasing the shield button after sliding, and the slo-mo practice has already started clearing this up.

another thing that helps me a lot is practicing in reps or heats (or whatever you want to call it). essentially, I'll hope into an 8 minute match and wavedash around until the timer is up, then I'll put the controller down. an hour later, I'll do it again, and then an hour later do it again... so long as you are practicing proper wavedashes ("practice doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect"), this will really help get it under your fingers quickly.

Thanks for the insightful post! Gonna try this to get used to falcos wd

 

[Alulim]

Practice Practice Practice.

I actually don't suggest learning how to wavedash in slow-mode because you're going to be learning it in regular speed regardless. You might as well learn it in regular speed. Try the method of first wavedashing neutral (using downwards air dodges rather than left or right). Then, when you're consistent with that, move to actual wavedashes. It honestly shouldn't take much time to learn if you're practicing it for an hour or two.

Check out the how to play video for more details on the method I just highlighted.

 

[prisoner]

I wouldn't Wavedash in slow motion, the ONLY reason you would want to do that is see how it looks when you execute it. It would just be better to start quickly, I can actually do WD in normal time but not in slow motion. It'll just screw with your timing.

I can see where you're coming from, but it won't screw up your timing unless you exclusively practice in slo-mo (which would be silly). wavedashing is a rhythm, and once you obtain that rhythm you can execute it at whatever speed you want. I am tempted to suggest that you would be even better at wavedashing in real time after mastering it in slo-mo, but I have a bias as it's really been working for me lately

now, you also mentioned seeing how it looks in slo-mo... I believe this is an important element of a properly executed wavedash; it gives you a fuller understanding of how your character moves during a wavedash, and what a properly executed wavedash looks and feels like. it helps your brain wrap itself around the concept even more; the more angles you have on it, the better you understand, the more mastery you have over it.

also, because you're going so slow, it gives your muscles the opportunity to relax while executing wavedashes. when you go back to real time, your muscles remember this too. even if it doesn't help with your timing per se, it's just good ergonomics. for instance: before I started training in slo-mo, I tended to hit jump and then fully depress the shoulder button at the moment I wanted to air dodge. it often led to flailing fingers, muscle strain, and missed techs. now, even though there are only a few frames between hitting the jump button and going airborne (ie, given the opportunity to air dodge), I can use those frames to depress the shoulder button and THEN click it in when I'm able to execute the dodge. smoother wavedashing, less muscle strain, bigger balls.

tl;dr everyone learns differently, but there are definitely benefits and I don't think anyone should be worried that slo-mo will screw up their tech skill. it is simply another tool in yer box to help you pwn nubs.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

What I want to know is why bother trying to do it consecutively? I am not really sure I see the benefit in a match.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Doing it in succession ensures that you can do it on demand.

 

[pokemongeof]

It's all about pracitce. Also do u play Marth?

If you do, just get the timing down. Wavedashing with him is fairy easy

 

[Bones0]

What I want to know is why bother trying to do it consecutively? I am not really sure I see the benefit in a match.

Well for starters, some characters just move faster with pure WDing. An ICs or Luigi main that can't consecutively WD is going to be seriously hindered movement-wise. There are also tons of quirky scenarios where it's the best movement option, like if you are shielding in the center of YS as Marth, the easiest way to quickly grab the ledge behind you is to WD OoS and then WD again. You also see a good amount of WD in, WD out to bait attacks. Dashing in followed by WDing back is probably more common, but again, if you are shielding the first WD replacing dash is the only real way to achieve the same effect, and WDing threatens different things than dashing (not to mention keeps you ASDIing down in case you get hit).

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

. I can do it slowly (About 3 times per second) but I don't know how to speed it up.

Well for starters, some characters just move faster with pure WDing. An ICs or Luigi main that can't consecutively WD is going to be seriously hindered movement-wise. There are also tons of quirky scenarios where it's the best movement option, like if you are shielding in the center of YS as Marth, the easiest way to quickly grab the ledge behind you is to WD OoS and then WD again. You also see a good amount of WD in, WD out to bait attacks. Dashing in followed by WDing back is probably more common, but again, if you are shielding the first WD replacing dash is the only real way to achieve the same effect, and WDing threatens different things than dashing (not to mention keeps you ASDIing down in case you get hit).

I was talking more about how quickly it is already being done. If you are able to do it every 20 frames (3 times a second), then you are already doing it pretty darn quickly anyway. An airdodge into the ground is like ~10 frame lag with ~6 frame jump squat. Even with Luigi I think you do not have to do it much more than twice in a second. But, I am not all too sure about qualitatively anyway.

Doing it in succession ensures that you can do it on demand.

I never really had much success with this when I think about when I tried doing shield platform drops. I could amass multiple of them when not playing a match. But, anytime I was playing a match it never worked well. Only by practicing in an actual match was I able to do it properly. Anyway, my point is that mass producing a wavedash doesn't really mean you'll have good timing if you need to wave dash out of shield when you are in lag. Maybe from simply standing you could that method would prove beneficial.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

I never really had much success with this when I think about when I tried doing shield platform drops. I could amass multiple of them when not playing a match. But, anytime I was playing a match it never worked well. Only by practicing in an actual match was I able to do it properly. Anyway, my point is that mass producing a wavedash doesn't really mean you'll have good timing if you need to wave dash out of shield when you are in lag. Maybe from simply standing you could that method would prove beneficial.

Everyone is different. My method was first learning to do it. Then I would try to do it across FD without messing up and finally, implementing it in matches (definitely the hardest part). Doing it out of shield came pretty naturally after that.