Greninja: A Guide to Drowning Out The Opponents! (WIP)

[ZaoMonichi]

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Greninja: A Guide to Drowning The Opponents! - A detailed guide on how to play and win as Greninja.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS*
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I. Author's Preface
II. Basic Information

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[Shack]

You might want to skip the formalities since right now the only information in your guide are the same things we already know and have posted on the forum. I personally would value match ups, combos, KO set ups, footsies, etc. over Greninja's back story, that he's speedy, and percent that each move does.

 

[ZaoMonichi]

This make sense. That's not the only thing that I'm going for, but I guess a lot of people are missing the (WIP) I put in the title. Please expect this to be updated in the future. I have several more gifs detailing the moves as well as descriptions lined up for the moves, all of what they combo into and strategies for gimping opponents, killing with Greninja (which can be pretty hard with his recent nerfs) as well as matchups. I apologize if posting before the work was done was wrong, but I didn't know if I should trust the draft system haha.

 

[KingHerpOfDerp]

This ist great for the newcomers.

 

[ZaoMonichi]

This ist great for the newcomers.

It isn't, or it is? I'm a bit confused. I'm trying to make this guide good for newcomers and people who are Smash vets and maybe just want to get into Greninja.

 

[Epic_Bro__360]

i forgot to mention in my rating, i would also like to know the pummles, because i cant seem to get it down

 

[ZaoMonichi]

i forgot to mention in my rating, i would also like to know the pummles, because i cant seem to get it down

What do you mean, know the pummels? The damage?

 

[Epic_Bro__360]

What do you mean, know the pummels? The damage?

oh sorry, i mean know how many pummles (hits when you grabbed someone) based on the opponents percent before they button mash out, and still have time to throw

 

[MartinAW4]

oh sorry, i mean know how many pummles (hits when you grabbed someone) based on the opponents percent before they button mash out, and still have time to throw

Based on lv. 9 CPUs who seem to button mash optimally, you can get one pummel starting from 40% and two pummels from 110%.
But that`s assuming that you pummel the instant you land the grab, so it might be better to start the first pummel at 50% and the second one at 120% to have more time to react. Then again, most people won`t pummel optimally either, so staying with the 40% one pummel and 110% two pummels should be fine.

You can`t get three pummels before the opponent reaches kill percents from Uthrow, so two pummels is the most you should be doing.

 

[MasterMicahWH]

It isn't, or it is? I'm a bit confused. I'm trying to make this guide good for newcomers and people who are Smash vets and maybe just want to get into Greninja.

It is. Especially since christmas was a couple days ago.

 

[SADO D. MUPLOP]

I have a question, the "SIDE B" of greninja there are times where I can cancel the multi hit, and other times not, for example the "UP B" of zero suit samus, how can I safely exit?

 

[free33]

I have a question, the "SIDE B" of greninja there are times where I can cancel the multi hit, and other times not, for example the "UP B" of zero suit samus, how can I safely exit?

you can only escape moves that do not put you into tumble. there are optimal directions to SDI while you mash side b to help get out of it that can be seen here: https://smashboards.com/threads/shadow-sneak-hitstun-cancellable-moves.426941/ however, SSHC has always been inconsistent simply because it is such a strange and complicated mechanic. read up on it as much as possible, but dont be surprised when you're not getting it 100% of the time, especially with all the complications of rage, percent, reaction time, etc.

 

[Igneo]

Very good guide!