Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[DanGR]

It's okay to have an opinion about Anivia and stuff.


But a lot of the stuff in your post is just objectively incorrect. For example, the part about about Anivia being less of a threat at all levels of play than Vladimir. It's simply a fact that Anivia plays a bigger role in winning 5v5 premade games at top levels of play, IIRC.

Then again, I'm nowhere close to the top, and I'm just going off what I hear, and I do a pretty good job of following the opinions of top players and such, and understanding where they're coming from with their opinions and such, so... gather from that what you will. ;p



That said, I'M TOTALLY STOKED ABOUT LOWERING THE SURRENDER TIME TO 20 MINUTES!!!!!

 

[john!]

^ i still disagree but it's not worth talking about anymore.

also, the spotlight is finally out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8f-VqAcQo

 

[Junpappy]

So, how many people are signing up for Solomid's 1v1 tourney? I'm looking for people to practice vs

LoL tag: pho20

 

[Dekar173]

So, how many people are signing up for Solomid's 1v1 tourney? I'm looking for people to practice vs

LoL tag: pho20

I can help you if you want :O

What are the rules?

Rules I've seen in one were such that you couldn't use the same hero after you had already won with it in a prior game o.O

Neat rule, imo.

 

[Frolossus]

the barely touched anivia
thank god

are dorans shield and boots of lucidity worth it now?

 

[Dekar173]

the barely touched anivia
thank god

are dorans shield and boots of lucidity worth it now?

Maybe, to both.

I don't particularly like starting with Doran's any more, due to the number nerfing a while ago as well as the cost change. >.>

Boots though, were nerfed price-wise but with the overall CdR changes, were slightly "buffed" in comparison to other items.

Definitely made Mpen boots better by comparison, but I'm still sure I'd prefer Merc treads over mpen any day.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

can't R-> E combo with anivia anymore

sad day sad day

 

[Wobbles]

can't R-> E combo with anivia anymore

sad day sad day

Correction: can't do it for ultra cheap from max range anymore.

Also, lowering the surrender time to 20 minutes is good, except...

You know that doofus on your team who says "GG" just because your team is 0-3? Even though no major map objectives have been controlled? And who give up and start playing like ******* when a teammate makes a single mistake?

Yeah. This is not going to make that better. I'm all for surrendering when the loss is obvious. The only problem is people are so inclined to believe that they and they alone get all the crappy teammates, not realizing that someone on the enemy team making a few hundred extra gold does not render them unkillable. Yes, if the other team plays perfectly with an advantage technically they can't lose; but when's the last game that anybody played truly perfectly?

People in this game are ****ing idiots and I'm not just talking about the ones that aren't all that good. Ever make a smurf to **** around, then watch some e-thugging cyberchamp flame his level 6 teammate for not being a pro? Especially when the players in question suck pretty bad themselves?

Or the people who see an unorthodox team comp and assume it's GG from champ select, not bothering to think of ways they can play to their team's strengths and win anyhow? "we need jungle y u no play jungle." The number of defeatist braindead parrots in this community that lack the capacity for critical or original thought just blows my flipping mind.

 

[Junpappy]

I can help you if you want :O

What are the rules?

Rules I've seen in one were such that you couldn't use the same hero after you had already won with it in a prior game o.O

Neat rule, imo.

Rules are:

1v1 mid - first blood / first tower wins

No laning at top or bot (jungling ok), no revive, 1,2 or 3 bans each depending on the phase of the tourney and some other minor rules.

 

[Dekar173]

Rules are:

1v1 mid - first blood / first tower wins

No laning at top or bot (juungling ok), no revive, 1,2 or 3 bans each depending on the phase of the tourney and some other minor rules.

Well FB/tower has always been an unwritten rule, ever since DotA (I never once killed a tower before killing the opponent, and vice versa ;_

And ok, this one's going with bans. Strange o.O

 

[DanGR]

Correction: can't do it for ultra cheap from max range anymore.

Also, lowering the surrender time to 20 minutes is good, except...

You know that doofus on your team who says "GG" just because your team is 0-3? Even though no major map objectives have been controlled? And who give up and start playing like ******* when a teammate makes a single mistake?

Yeah. This is not going to make that better. I'm all for surrendering when the loss is obvious. The only problem is people are so inclined to believe that they and they alone get all the crappy teammates, not realizing that someone on the enemy team making a few hundred extra gold does not render them unkillable. Yes, if the other team plays perfectly with an advantage technically they can't lose; but when's the last game that anybody played truly perfectly?

People in this game are ****ing idiots and I'm not just talking about the ones that aren't all that good. Ever make a smurf to **** around, then watch some e-thugging cyberchamp flame his level 6 teammate for not being a pro? Especially when the players in question suck pretty bad themselves?

Or the people who see an unorthodox team comp and assume it's GG from champ select, not bothering to think of ways they can play to their team's strengths and win anyhow? "we need jungle y u no play jungle." The number of defeatist braindead parrots in this community that lack the capacity for critical or original thought just blows my flipping mind.

Agreed.

But sometimes it's just obvious you're gonna lose like if you have two leavers or your team is all underleveled by 5 levels, the score is 2-30, and they've just gotten baron buff. x_X


Situations like that and you still gotta sit through the entire match? That I'm usually fine with ending a game prematurely if my teammates agree that they've had enough. Sometimes you just wanna get on to the next game and try to correct your mistakes from the previous one, even if there is a 10% chance you can make a comeback. It's not worth it to play out a match for 30 more minutes in that case, imo. X_x

 

[jpak]

@Snap - I am not good st this game or else I would But if you have any questions I'll give you my opinion. Only role I play well is support.
@John! - Your definition of high level is different, in the final 7 matches of the NESL tourney, Anivia was picked or banned in 6 of them. That's pretty common to me, stop focusing on solo queue.

 

[Wobbles]

Dan: Like I said; "I'm all for surrendering when the loss is obvious."

Problem is most people don't realize that one or two mistakes =/= game over and they call it WAY too early, like it's impossible to make a good play that recovers from an error, or an opponent can't get overconfident. People make mistakes all the time and throw away wins in every game conceivable, LoL is no different.

 

[Mogwai]

Elementz is a very good LoL player with fairly accurate opinions on the power level of champions. When he places a champion in a high tier, typically it's because they're among the strongest champions in the game. When said champion gets nerfed, it's not because of Elementz, it's because they're among the strongest champions in the game. The fact that there's a correlation between being high on Elementz's tier list and getting nerfed in the near future does not indicate that Elementz's list is the cause of the nerfs, it's a natural byproduct of both things being based on champions being extremely powerful.

 

[ArcNatural]

I really like that they changed the xp/ip for short or long games. That's one of the better changes that I see.

The Sivir change seems wierd, almost seems like a buff to me? Not sure how to interpret the change so that it could be a nerf.

The Ryze changes are wierd I think they will be tweaking as they go along I guess.

The Anivia nerfs seem a little harsh, but that's simply from someone who plays Anivia. I've always felt that she struggles a little farming wise until her ult then she can catch up by simply taking whole creep waves. It was a OP harass tactic against champs though. Now I'm not sure how she can keep up farm wise. Probably just fine for top players.

Any first opinions on Moakai? I'm really looking forward to trying him out. I read that some of his surprise changes (passive for one) make him seem a little lackluster. I feel like his snare, knockup, ultimate combo would be great for team fights though.

 

[UTDZac]

Rules are:

1v1 mid - first blood / first tower wins

No laning at top or bot (jungling ok), no revive, 1,2 or 3 bans each depending on the phase of the tourney and some other minor rules.

I could win this by planking with Udyr. Ask Tom

 

[Mogwai]

I could win this by planking with Udyr. Ask Tom

I sincerely doubt that you'd be able to do that vs. a legit pusher.

 

[@TKbreezy]

So the other day I saw an Irelia with Wriggles lantern as her first item...

so then I tried it also and it didn't go too well only because I think I'm losing it with Irelia but then I thought

Wriggles -> sheen -> frozen mallet -> starks?

good or no?

 

[Mogwai]

no, that's completely terrible because it's incredibly squishy.

if you want the wriggle's build it's just

wriggles -> sheen -> Banshee's -> Triforce -> GA

I've also seen Spirit Visage in there.

Sheen -> Frozen Mallet is awful on anyone BTW. Frozen Mallet is mostly a lackluster item and if you ever have cause to want at least 2 pieces of Triforce, chances are that Triforce is the correct item to get.

 

[@TKbreezy]

so you saying in the event I have both sheen and Phage I should always go for triforce

aight Got it.

But I would usually build Sheen into Lich bane because of the fact that After I do Q -> E the next hit does massive damage.

and I was building frozen mallet to make it easier to chase people.

Also I never really got Defensive Items on Irelia unless I had to build the "Tank" in solo queue because everyone else was squishy

 

[UTDZac]

I sincerely doubt that you'd be able to do that vs. a legit pusher.

Challenge accepted!

 

[DanGR]

so you saying in the event I have both sheen and Phage I should always go for triforce

aight Got it.

But I would usually build Sheen into Lich bane because of the fact that After I do Q -> E the next hit does massive damage.

and I was building frozen mallet to make it easier to chase people.

Also I never really got Defensive Items on Irelia unless I had to build the "Tank" in solo queue because everyone else was squishy

I'm like 99% sure Q procs on-hit effects, including the lichbane/triforce auto-attack modifier, so technically, you're doing the massive damage on the Q and not the autoattack after the E in that short combo. :X

 

[@TKbreezy]

I thought the auto attack modifier was AFTER you used an ability so that would be Q (getting me the modifier) -> E (which doesnt use the massive hit because its not an auto attack) -> auto attack (with buff)

Q does get all the auto attack buffs though so in essence I could E -> W -> Q but thats Kind of situational...Like if someone face checked a brush I was in.

 

[Evanms]

Arc:
The only sivir nerf is base damage isn't calculated in her Q anymore-its bonus damage only=less damage early game. Similar to what they did to garen spin. Idk if they buffed the damage scaling to make up for it on sivir though.

 

[DanGR]

I thought the auto attack modifier was AFTER you used an ability so that would be Q (getting me the modifier) -> E (which doesnt use the massive hit because its not an auto attack) -> auto attack (with buff)

Q does get all the auto attack buffs though so in essence I could E -> W -> Q but thats Kind of situational...Like if someone face checked a brush I was in.

I'm pretty sure it's the same thing as Ezreal, Pirate, cougar form's Q, which procs sheen because you're using the spell, which tells the game that your next attack will proc it. Then it hits and gets the onhit effect, activated by the initial spell cast.

Hope that makes sense. ._.

 

[@TKbreezy]

So basically sheen Uses itself just but using Q?

sorry...im still fairly new to item building.

 

[Mogwai]

so you saying in the event I have both sheen and Phage I should always go for triforce

aight Got it.

yep, pretty much.

But I would usually build Sheen into Lich bane because of the fact that After I do Q -> E the next hit does massive damage.

Lich bane is actually pretty awful unless you build other AP items. I mean, without other sources of AP, it's just 80 damage on the proc, and hell, just Sheen will do almost that much. I honestly can't think of a single character who would want to build Lichbane before Deathcap atm.

and I was building frozen mallet to make it easier to chase people.

Triforce is just better for chasing people. It might take more than 1 hit to get the slow proc, but since you've already built a sheen, it's cheaper and gives Move Speed in addition to the slow. The only think Frozen Mallet really does better than Triforce is provide HP, but I really only ever find it to be a good item on Olaf nowadays. Even on Xin Zhao I think I'd always rather have Triforce atm.

Also I never really got Defensive Items on Irelia unless I had to build the "Tank" in solo queue because everyone else was squishy

All Melee DPS need to build tanky on their 3rd item at the very latest. It's just the nature of needing to get in there to do your damage. And especially with all her lifesteal, Irelia has a lot to gain from speccing resistances since her effective HP is so high. Not to mention that she has very good base damage which limits the need to build offensive items.

So basically sheen Uses itself just but using Q?

sorry...im still fairly new to item building.

yea, that's how it works. It's not really intuitive but your sheen proc will instantly apply to bladesurge.

 

[DanGR]

So basically sheen Uses itself just but using Q?

sorry...im still fairly new to item building.

Yeah, that's the case for all these example skills I'm using. I'm just not 100% sure it's the case for Irelia Q. It's specific to certain skills and you just gotta memorize them.

 

[@TKbreezy]

Aight Thanks guys...some serious help from this board...I wish I could 5 star rate posters...lol

 

[Mogwai]

you don't have to memorize them, it's just about understanding the game mechanics behind the skills.

it's just any skill that applies on-hit effects. I think there are only 4 such skills in the game atm:

Ezreal's Mystic Shot
Gangplank's Parley
Irelia's Bladesurge
Miss Fortune's Double Up

The nidalee example is a little flawed because the skill itself isn't an attack, it adds a modifier to your next basic attack (so you use it and then attack, making the sheen proc make a little more sense). Other examples of skills that work like that are:

Nasus's Siphoning Strike
Poppy's Devastating Blow
Trundle's Rabid Bite
Mordekaiser's Mace of Spades
Udyr's Tiger Stance
Xin's Three Talon Strike
Renek's Ruthless Predator
Garen's Decisive Strike
Blitz's Power Fist
Jax's Empower
TF'S Pick a Card

 

[Frolossus]

found an absolute must buy
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=119662&d=1297890232

the new pvp.net UI is scary o.o

 

[Evanms]

found an absolute must buy
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=119662&d=1297890232

Only cause your kat is too pro.

 

[Zolga Owns]

I was in a game and I got DC'ed for some reason.(while carrying with Cass x.x) and now the server says it's busy and I can't get back on. ;(

 

[Teh Brettster]

I was in a game and I got DC'ed for some reason.(while carrying with Cass x.x) and now the server says it's busy and I can't get back on. ;(

f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5

 

[DMG]

Lrlrdduu34

 

[Zolga Owns]

None of that worked. I also got a leave for it. ;_________________;

 

[Frolossus]

None of that worked. I also got a leave for it. ;_________________;

left right left right down down up up 34

 

[GOD!]

ty riot for anivia buff

 

[PhantomX]

With new IP system it will be impossible to get enough IP to buy anything. 39 IP for a loss in 25 minutes?! WTF. For the record that is less than you used to get for losing an inhouse game.

 

[Mr.C]

I was in a game and I got DC'ed for some reason.(while carrying with Cass x.x) and now the server says it's busy and I can't get back on. ;(

Control L: javascript:setServerStatus(1)

You're welcome.