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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Organization XIII

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So far I've only been genuinely hyped for Richter. I mean K Rool and Ridley were exciting to but mainly because of what it meant for the roster.
 

?!?!?!

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Uh-oh. I just saw this in the General Speculation thread...


Suddenly, new franchises look a lot less likely.
I personally don't think it means anything. 108 stages is probably accurate but my guess is that Nintendo asked them to fix it for the latest issue since they still haven't revealed those stages yet
 

EarlTamm

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Uh-oh. I just saw this in the General Speculation thread...


Suddenly, new franchises look a lot less likely.
Stating what I said in the Shantae thread.
"Eh, it's a bit of a grey area. They definitely screwed up somewhere, but it can be any number of reasons. Was it a typo, and there is really only 103 errors, or did they make the mistake of revealing the stage count to early and Nintendo told them off and made them restate it as 103 in order to make things more ambiguous."
Edit: Got :ultgreninja:'d.
 
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How do i join?
I'm a new user and that stuff
Isaac is one of my most wanted so...
Welcome fellow Adept! Make sure you pin True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior to be added in the support group.

Out of all the newcomers so far, who is everyone most hype for? For me it was the Belmont duo.
After that probably Ridley. Almost more so for what it meant in terms of possibilty.
I'm definitely hyped for Simon! I played the original Castlevania trilogy many many years ago and have fond memories of them (still need to beat 3. Lol). In fact, Castlevania 2: Simons Quest is THE first video game I remember playing. So when I saw Snake get into Brawl, I thought that also meant Simon had a great chance to get in. Didn't know I would wait 10+ years for that to happen.

My second would be K. Rool. I've played the first DKC game many times despite not owning a SNES, but my very first owned console was the DK64 Jungle Green N64 (and still have it in great condition too) and sure enough, my first N64 game I owned was DK64. What an amazing game! Still love it to this day. It always weirded me out that K. Rool was never in Smash for so long. Just seeing DK & Diddy without K. Rool just feels off. Not anymore! About freaking time he got in!
 

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Well...that is disappointin.
Right now, there's a bit of debate on whether or not 108 stages could still be true. I'd give a link, but I still have more support threads to give the bad news to and don't want to override my announcement post in my clipboard.

EDIT: :ultgreninja:'d.
 
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At this point, I don't think that we can say "103 stages only, new franchises deconfirmed rip" because, as some people said, maybe Nintendo asked Coro Coro to lie to the fans after their mistake.
It's not over until it's really over guys !
 

Frosty Pops

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I'm bored...

Anyway, what would be a good Victory Theme and Victory Animations for Isaac?
Victory theme should probably be the victory music from GS after a battle, remixed or origional.

Animations:
1. Screen is empty then has a sand cloud drift onscreen and Isaac reforms in a crouched position then stands into psynergy using stance with his hand in the air.
2. Isaac is sitting Indian style and uses lift on himself to float.
3. A Djinn appears behind Isaac and lands on his head, then Isaac smiles and a smiley bubble pops up above him like in GS.
 

GoodGrief741

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This whole stage deal has me really bummed out. I hope the ‘Nintendo told CoroCoro to lie’ theory is true, but for the first time, I got the feeling that Isaac might not make it in.
 

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This whole stage deal has me really bummed out. I hope the ‘Nintendo told CoroCoro to lie’ theory is true, but for the first time, I got the feeling that Isaac might not make it in.
Agreed. I really hate having to be a downer, and Isaac is my fifth-most-wanted, but you guys had to find out at some point.
 

ThoughtfulWanderer

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This whole stage deal has me really bummed out. I hope the ‘Nintendo told CoroCoro to lie’ theory is true, but for the first time, I got the feeling that Isaac might not make it in.
I've kept an open mind to the possibility of Isaac instead being DLC since the suspicious second trademark renewal only happened in August, whereas K. Rool's happened back in 2015. Even so, I think it'll just make speculation here feel miserably negative to take this reversion back to 103 at face value. It's just as real a possibility that they're trying to cover the truth up by bringing ambiguity back into it.
 

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There's no reason for 108 to have been said in the first place. There isn't any chance that it was a simple typo, since that "108" thing was actually a graphic, not typed text.

Besides, I don't really buy that they are prone to making a typo such as that when it's a monthly-printed magazine. Those tend to go through several revisions, so it's more likely that they were fed 108, with Nintendo anticipating at least one of the new stages would be revealed, but that didn't come through because of the delay.
 

?!?!?!

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There is just no way they would leave those empty spaces in the stage select screen either. In terms of aesthetics, it's ugly. 108 stages is definitely happening in my opinion
 

TempestSurge

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There is just no way they would leave those empty spaces in the stage select screen either. In terms of aesthetics, it's ugly. 108 stages is definitely happening in my opinion
It makes sense that it was corrected to 103 for this issue anyways cause that is the stage total currently. Of course if this means speculation becomes insufferable again time to take a break lol.
 

Delta64

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The question I have is: Why did they not clarify the stage total sooner? The issue that told us 108 stages has been out for over a month now. Yet at no point did anyone at Coro Coro, Nintendo, or even Sakurai himself come forward and tell us that the "108 stages" was inaccurate. It seems like if you had put out a mistake that generates a lot of attention, you would want to clarify that stuff right away (not a month later when everyone has taken it as fact).
 

jweb23

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Honestly I don’t think there is any reason to get worked up over the 103 stages unless a proper translation stating they made a typo in the last issue is said. There is no way a major magazine would make such a big mistake without announcing their correction of it.
 

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Predictably, the general discussion thread has descended to doom say over this revelation. I understand wanting to keep expectations in check, but not everything boils down to worst case scenario.
 

GoodGrief741

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I just remembered a dream I had a couple of days ago.

It involved a Smash Direct where they revealed Spirits as some sort of story mode with Hades as the main villain. Then it showed a cutscene with a ton of characters lying on the ground defeated (I think it was Ike, Shulk, Little Mac, Marth and someone else). Then Isaac appeared, sword drawn, and Hades said something like ‘Pitiful. Just another swordfighter’. Isaac sighed, sheathed his sword, used Venus Psynergy and his reveal trailer began (as his battle theme started playing).

It was pretty awesome (the same dream also contained a fakeout trailer for something Breath of the Wild related ending with a Bandanna Dee reveal)
 

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Welcome fellow Adept! Make sure you pin True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior to be added in the support group.


I'm definitely hyped for Simon! I played the original Castlevania trilogy many many years ago and have fond memories of them (still need to beat 3. Lol). In fact, Castlevania 2: Simons Quest is THE first video game I remember playing. So when I saw Snake get into Brawl, I thought that also meant Simon had a great chance to get in. Didn't know I would wait 10+ years for that to happen.

My second would be K. Rool. I've played the first DKC game many times despite not owning a SNES, but my very first owned console was the DK64 Jungle Green N64 (and still have it in great condition too) and sure enough, my first N64 game I owned was DK64. What an amazing game! Still love it to this day. It always weirded me out that K. Rool was never in Smash for so long. Just seeing DK & Diddy without K. Rool just feels off. Not anymore! About freaking time he got in!
Yeah I havent played much DK games sadly but even so I still felt like DK was too classic not to have his villian present.

Feels like a missing puzzle piece since Mario and Zelda had their villains added.
 

TempestSurge

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I just remembered a dream I had a couple of days ago.

It involved a Smash Direct where they revealed Spirits as some sort of story mode with Hades as the main villain. Then it showed a cutscene with a ton of characters lying on the ground defeated (I think it was Ike, Shulk, Little Mac, Marth and someone else). Then Isaac appeared, sword drawn, and Hades said something like ‘Pitiful. Just another swordfighter’. Isaac sighed, sheathed his sword, used Venus Psynergy and his reveal trailer began (as his battle theme started playing).

It was pretty awesome (the same dream also contained a fakeout trailer for something Breath of the Wild related ending with a Bandanna Dee reveal)
Got to love how Little Mac was there, wonder if he was treated as a sword fighter, dream logic and all.
 

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So about that CoroCoro thing...

I don't think it bodes well for Isaac. I mean if 103 is the final stage count for the game, then his chances are dramatically lowered IMO. Mainly because I can't see Isaac being added in without Venus/Mars Lighthouse being in the game.

Unless it's a deal where Isaac's stage is included post-release then maybe that changes things but I think that it's reaching at this point. Still want to hope Isaac and Felix (as an Echo) will be included as DLC if they're not base roster.
I just remembered a dream I had a couple of days ago.

It involved a Smash Direct where they revealed Spirits as some sort of story mode with Hades as the main villain. Then it showed a cutscene with a ton of characters lying on the ground defeated (I think it was Ike, Shulk, Little Mac, Marth and someone else). Then Isaac appeared, sword drawn, and Hades said something like ‘Pitiful. Just another swordfighter’. Isaac sighed, sheathed his sword, used Venus Psynergy and his reveal trailer began (as his battle theme started playing).

It was pretty awesome (the same dream also contained a fakeout trailer for something Breath of the Wild related ending with a Bandanna Dee reveal)
If only there was a way to make out Smash Dreams a reality.

Except for the really weird ones. IDK how i'd feel about that lol.
 
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This whole stage deal has me really bummed out. I hope the ‘Nintendo told CoroCoro to lie’ theory is true, but for the first time, I got the feeling that Isaac might not make it in.
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You guys acting like there’s a chance Isaac won’t get in.

Fo shame.
I feel like no matter how you look at the stage thing, things still look good. The only brand new character that "has" arrived with a stage so far is Simon/Richter (right?) I wouldnt be surprised if Isaac arrives without a stage like Ridley, K-Rool, Isabelle and all the echos did.

I also wouldnt be surprised if one of the missing stage slots "did" end up being a Golden Sun stage, since most people speculate the remaining stages will be revealed along with the last couple newcomers. This is what I think is most likely, he'll be revealed along with a stage for him.

I really feel like Isaac is a lock either way. If we dont get a stage for him then Ill just go live on battlefield Magicant <3
 
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"I feel like no matter how you look at the stage thing, things still look good. The only brand new character that "has" arrived with a stage so far is Simon/Richter (right?) I wouldnt be surprised if Isaac arrives without a stage like Ridley, K-Rool, Isabelle and all the echos did.
:ultinkling:

All of those characters you mentioned are from pre-existing franchises.
I also wouldnt be surprised if one of the missing stage slots "did" end up being a Golden Sun stage, since most people speculate the remaining stages will be revealed along with the last couple newcomers. This is what I think is most likely, he'll be revealed along with a stage for him.
There is no missing stages dude. Or at least none of which are confirmed to happen.
 
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Uh-oh. I just saw this in the General Speculation thread...


Suddenly, new franchises look a lot less likely.
Of course they aren't gonna keep spoiling it. This doesn't mean anything lol. They aren't gonna design a perfect square roster and leave an ugly empty gap when they could've filled it already by resizing the list if 103 was already all of it. 108 just makes sense and will happen.
 

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Of course they aren't gonna keep spoiling it. This doesn't mean anything lol. They aren't gonna design a perfect square roster and leave an ugly empty gap when they could've filled it already by resizing the list if 103 was already all of it. 108 just makes sense and will happen.
Exactly this
 

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Of course they aren't gonna keep spoiling it. This doesn't mean anything lol. They aren't gonna design a perfect square roster and leave an ugly empty gap when they could've filled it already by resizing the list if 103 was already all of it. 108 just makes sense and will happen.
I don't believe that personally. I'm of the belief that 108 was a legit screw up on the part of CoroCoro. As in it was 103 but they put 108 by mistake.
 

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I feel like no matter how you look at the stage thing, things still look good. The only brand new character that "has" arrived with a stage so far is Simon/Richter (right?) I wouldnt be surprised if Isaac arrives without a stage like Ridley, K-Rool, Isabelle and all the echos did.

I also wouldnt be surprised if one of the missing stage slots "did" end up being a Golden Sun stage, since most people speculate the remaining stages will be revealed along with the last couple newcomers. This is what I think is most likely, he'll be revealed along with a stage for him.

I really feel like Isaac is a lock either way. If we dont get a stage for him then Ill just go live on battlefield Magicant <3
Heh, didn’t expect my words to come back and bite me in the ass so soon. Guess things aren’t looking that bad either.

Though I should note that you missed Inkling, from the other new franchise, got a new stage as well.
 

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:ultinkling:

All of those characters you mentioned are from pre-existing franchises.

There is no missing stages dude. Or at least none of which are confirmed to happen.
Though I should note that you missed Inkling, from the other new franchise, got a new stage as well.
Damn your right I forgot bout Inkling and I didnt consider that every other char added so far already has stage representation...

Still, like I said I feel like Isaac being introduced along with a stage is what is most likely.
 
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If 103 is true and 108 was a mistake, I'll call it GG for base roster. I've never seen CoroCoro backpedal like this before, so I honestly don't know what to think.
 

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Damn your right I forgot bout Inkling and I didnt consider that every other char added so far already has stage representation...

Still, like I said I feel like Isaac being introduced along with a stage is what is most likely.
I do to. It's the only way I see Isaac getting in. It's just with 103 being the likely end game for the base roster, it doesn't bode well for our Golden Boy. At least for the base roster.
If 103 is true and 108 was a mistake, I'll call it GG for base roster. I've never seen CoroCoro backpedal like this before, so I honestly don't know what to think.
80-20 that they made an error in that issue. Of course there's no way to prove that but at the same time saying that they accidentally leaked 108 is reaching.
 
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A mistake was made. But it's alright if it's 103 stages.

Still could mean Isaac is in.
 

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Frankly if the last claim of 108 had been a typo, you'd expect any reputable magazine to print a retraction in the newer issue.

If they don't do that here, it either means they're callous towards misinformation (which seems unlikely for a publisher of anything above tabloid nonsense), or the only mistake was sharing that number, not the number itself.

A new game would help, I agree
Dormance hasnt excluded popular characters before, fact.

I dont think I understand this. How does pointing out included characters that were relatively in the same boat as Isaac (popular in-demand character, dormant series) show how unlikely it is...?
Dormancy excludes popular characters all the time, it's the fact that only a few characters prove the exception which forms the basis of those claims. Sakurai himself has said something to the effect of characters with a future standing at greater odds of inclusion.

The only examples you've listed are those that eschew the normal inclusion process: third-parties and the retros. Isaac is neither of those (in Sakurai's mind, at least) and won't be granted such concessions, so equating them is fundamentally flawed. The closer example would be K. Rool, who hails from an active series, but is a long-dormant character included due to popularity. This is the path to the roster Isaac would take, one which wasn't really an option before Ultimate.
 
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A mistake was made. But it's alright if it's 103 stages.

Still could mean Isaac is in.
I don't think we've had a new IP go stageless since ROB, and ROB is still considered really weird because of it. I don't want to be a pessimist but I wouldn't really expect any third party or new IPs if this is the case.

Frankly if the last claim of 108 had been a typo, you'd expect any reputable magazine to print a retraction in the newer issue.

If they don't do that here, it either means they're callous towards misinformation (which seems unlikely for a publisher of anything above tabloid nonsense), or the only mistake was sharing that number, not the number itself.


Dormancy excludes popular characters all the time, it's the fact that only a few characters prove the exception which forms the basis of those claims. Sakurai himself has said something to the effect of characters with a future standing at greater odds of inclusion.

The only examples you've listed are those that eschew the normal inclusion process: third-parties and the retros. Isaac is neither of those (in Sakurai's mind, at least) and won't be granted such concessions, so equating them is fundamentally flawed. The closer examples would be K. Rool, and, if we get him, Geno - who hail from active series, but are both long-dormant characters included due to popularity. This is the path to the roster Isaac would take, one which wasn't really an option before Ultimate.
Do we have any examples of CoroCoro even doing anything like this, stating a number and then retconning it later on? I can't think of this ever happening, or CoroCoro ever being wrong for that matter.
 

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I hope 103 is not the real number. Still holding out for a Venus Lighthouse stage. I think they're just backtracking to the official number from the direct, not the final number.
 

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Not going to lie, every time I enter this thread it’s like a coin flip whether im going to see people cheering Isaac on, or “ALL HOPE IS LOST THIS IT THE END IS HERE CODE RED ABANDON SHIP”

Here’s my thoughts. Unless Sakurai, the man himself, says so, this stuff shouldn’t be taken as fact.
 

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Do we have any examples of CoroCoro even doing anything like this, stating a number and then retconning it later on? I can't think of this ever happening, or CoroCoro ever being wrong for that matter.
I've never read a CoroCoro so the person to ask about typos, corrections, and retractions would be PushDustIn PushDustIn .
 
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This situation got me thinking about the ESRB leak. People saw Shulk and debated on if it was real or not, but when Nintendo took down the video of it, just about everyone agreed that it was real. For the Coro Coro mistake, I wonder if they didn't want another situation where they hastily try to cover it up. Either way, I think it is most likely that there will be 108 stages in the base game.

They have yet to say they made a mistake in the September issue as well (saying 103 stages are in the game is not an acknowledgement that the issue before was wrong). I certainly expect a credible organization to admit mistakes in a timely manner. If the stage total in the base game turns out to be 103, I will no longer consider Coro Coro a credible source.
 

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For some reason, I have this weird feeling that Sakurai and his team at this point are trolling us because a lot of people believe in leakers like Vergeben and the box theory right now. Basically get everyone to accept that we are getting 2 characters that we've heard of only to go "SURPRISE! Here's even more characters that you asked for!" A great way to make people stop believing fake (and possibly real) leaks.

Of course, that's my overflowing optimism leaking out. lol ;)
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