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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Tetiro

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Wow 500 posts! Can't believe I missed it though! Ah well. Such is the way of Xenoblade. Started Torna this weekend and lost 14 hours due to it.

The way this is going, Isaac will definitely be in one day. We must never lose hope!
 

Kalaam

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I think everyone expected the two teams to clash at some point, that would have made a very interresting fight. Especially with your old save.
 

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GoldenSunIsAlive

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Don't know if someone pointed this out, but about the Golden Sun on phone thing.. why would Golden Sun appear on phone?

Super Smash Bros may receive an app to follow your stats and to check events, maybe. I don,t see why Isaac would be on phone otherwise.

Edit: They could also sell smash ost on phone, and if we have Isaac we also have golden sun ost on mobile.
Idk, maybe some kind of Golden sun app that would make it possible to train your characters or train djinns to make them slightly stronger? :O

* Collect gold or items aswel

There are endless posibilities for something golden sun related on the phone.

* Something small like password transfers might be possible aswel.
 
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Frosty Pops

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Haha yes, this pretty much. Its not even their support of Steve that annoys me, its shuting everyone down who would rather want someone else as being a salty fanboy like you said. Usually with complete strawmen too
The main discussion thread??? I am gonna go over there and tell them Banjo is gonna be in Steve's spot....and if somehow Steve does make it in I will play 100 matches against him in a row just to beat the s*** out of him lol. That will get them fired up if for nothing but my amusement.
 

Q-Long

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The main discussion thread??? I am gonna go over there and tell them Banjo is gonna be in Steve's spot....and if somehow Steve does make it in I will play 100 matches against him in a row just to beat the s*** out of him lol. That will get them fired up if for nothing but my amusement.
Lol dont do that, they have a strawman where everyone who doesnt want him is a salty old man nerd or something like that
 

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I can’t be the only one who, as soon as they started The Lost Age, thought that they were going to pull a Pokémon Gold/Silver and have something like this as the final boss.
I honestly believe it was a missed opportunity to not have a showdown between Felix and Isaac in The Lost Age.

Like at the Jupiter Lighthouse, it would have been better if Isaac thought Felix was working with Agiato & Karst in trying to kill Garet/Mia and attacks him in a blind rage.
 

Sordim522

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I honestly believe it was a missed opportunity to not have a showdown between Felix and Isaac in The Lost Age.

Like at the Jupiter Lighthouse, it would have been better if Isaac thought Felix was working with Agiato & Karst in trying to kill Garet/Mia and attacks him in a blind rage.
I was personally under the impression that Isaac and Felix are too rational to blindly attack someone, let alone each other. They’re both shown to be pretty astute to the point, at least in Isaac’s case, that he borders on cocky. I think it goes against both of their personalities and therefore any confrontation would seem inorganic.
 
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I was personally under the impression that Isaac and Felix are too rational to blindly attack someone, let alone each other. They’re both shown to be pretty astute to the point, at least in Isaac’s case, that he borders on cocky. I think it goes against both of their personalities and therefore any confrontation would seem inorganic.
That's true but maybe if Felix was right there with Agiato & Karst and the duo bails out on them, Isaac would think of Felix as a killer and would attempt to attack him. Even if it does go against their personalities it would have made for a cool moment. Especially considering the fact that Isaac just witnessed two of his friends almost get killed.
 

Sordim522

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That's true but maybe if Felix was right there with Agiato & Karst and the duo bails out on them, Isaac would think of Felix as a killer and would attempt to attack him. Even if it does go against their personalities it would have made for a cool moment. Especially considering the fact that Isaac just witnessed two of his friends almost get killed.
At the same time, Felix was as much his friend as the others until he disappeared. I feel like he would be given the benefit of the doubt. That being said, if there was a less forced way to get them to fight I would have been all for it.
 

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At the same time, Felix was as much his friend as the others until he disappeared. I feel like he would be given the benefit of the doubt. That being said, if there was a less forced way to get them to fight I would have been all for it.
He was yes but then you take in the events of The Broken Seal; what Isaac & co thought of Felix at the end of the game and honestly it's not that far fetched to think really.
 

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oh yeah. it could get people interested in your character or game. though it can be pretty bad if you get roped into debating for a long time. i don't even like get mad usually but they i run into stuff like this and i'm just like wtf. then have to force myself not to engage with living youtube comments.


man, been a while since i played it but do i love golden sun. it taught me so many words as a kid.


No its Briggs!
Garet can summon a meteor. The only thing Briggs can summon to fight for him is his Grandma.

Isaac's mom
Took almost the entire game for her to get over a delusion. We have elixirs for that, you know
 
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Knight-Adept

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As far as potential movesets go... the most interesting one I've heard is to make Isaac's down-B cycle which djinn he has equipped, changing some of his specials (and maybe even his stats). That would be unique and pretty cool- particularly if they made (as I think they should) the majority of Isaac's specials psynergy. Because, as we all know, he's not just another anime swordfighter.
 

Oracle_Summon

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As far as potential movesets go... the most interesting one I've heard is to make Isaac's down-B cycle which djinn he has equipped, changing some of his specials (and maybe even his stats). That would be unique and pretty cool- particularly if they made (as I think they should) the majority of Isaac's specials psynergy. Because, as we all know, he's not just another anime swordfighter.
That does seem like a cool character mechanic, but maybe the other elements should be saved for any other Golden Sun rep that may get in during the future.
 

Golden Icarus

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As far as potential movesets go... the most interesting one I've heard is to make Isaac's down-B cycle which djinn he has equipped, changing some of his specials (and maybe even his stats). That would be unique and pretty cool- particularly if they made (as I think they should) the majority of Isaac's specials psynergy. Because, as we all know, he's not just another anime swordfighter.
This was actually my original concept for a down special. I don’t think it’s necessary, as an earth based fighter is already interesting enough. But as a Golden Sun fan, I think this would be a way cool way of representing the series. Especially since the class switching mechanic was one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game for me.
 

XenoWarriorX

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Lol dont do that, they have a strawman where everyone who doesnt want him is a salty old man nerd or something like that
The main arguments I see for Steve is "Nintendo purists are dumb", "Minecraft is successful, so it should get a spot" and "Steve should get in because lol people would be mad."

Funny enough

1. I would pick any other character that have jack**** to do with Nintendo (Dante) over someone like Steve.
2. The oversaturation of Minecraft in video game media in recent times, and the fanbase being so horrible has caused the prospect of Minecraft to be a "mixed" reaction at best.
3. What the **** is that even gonna acomplish? All it does is soils the characters, soils Smash Bros, and makes you look like a petty person. (Talking to you, ArtsyOmni.)
 

Frosty Pops

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I underestimated just how greatly people hate Steve. Despite potential benefits down the line, lol. I saw people talking about it a few posts back with disdain. But I had no idea it was that strong. Debating just deleting the posts.

Allow me to reiterate that I don't actively support the inclusion. Nor do I actively hold disdain. Purely neutral on the subject. I'm just looking for silver linings where I can.
I don't think that anybody is mad about your oppinion. Just that the thought of Steve getting in makes them nauseas. If any character should be ported from xbox it is Banjo, and Steve getting in would kill that. Also Steve's move potential would be like having Villager and Link making a baby and then cloning it with rubix cube dna.
 

Frosty Pops

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This was actually my original concept for a down special. I don’t think it’s necessary, as an earth based fighter is already interesting enough. But as a Golden Sun fan, I think this would be a way cool way of representing the series. Especially since the class switching mechanic was one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game for me.
I had an idea pretty similar to this with a little difference. Isaac's standard B if held would open a menu like Shulks manado artes to switch between Djinn. And a standard push would activate the Djinn's abiability which would go on cooldown. I know my version is a little less complicated but he has stat boosting Djinn to use as well as attacking ones. So that would still make him pretty unique without him being to complicated to add into the game.
 

Delta64

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The argument that Minecraft is successful has a very little to do with getting a character in Smash. Here are some examples of other series that have been or are very successful (and have not appeared in a Smash game): Call of Duty, Halo, World of Warcraft, GTA, Elder Scrolls, Lego, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, and Uncharted.

The point I am trying to make with this^ list, is that Sakurai does not just ravenously go after an IP that is popular. Just as it makes no sense to add a character from Call of Duty or World of Warcraft, it makes no sense to add a character from Minecraft.
 

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Saturos as a assist trophy? Sounds awesome, but I would like him as a alt for Isaac too.
 

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Can I just say how awesome it is to see so much fan art of Golden Sun coming out recently! It makes me so happy that the community is finally making a push on this series after so long being in silence. Let's hope that continues regardless of whether Isaac gets in Smash or not!
 

Sabrewulf238

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I noticed we got the Moon assist trophy on the blog today instead of a fighter like usual.

Does anyone know what blog number it is? (is it the blog post that was planned for today, it's not some random number is it?)
 
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He was yes but then you take in the events of The Broken Seal; what Isaac & co thought of Felix at the end of the game and honestly it's not that far fetched to think really.
Yeah, but think about it logically. If Felix and Isaac started fighting Jenna would come in and rip into BOTH of them for being idiots as soon as she arrived.
 

Kalaam

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Yeah, but think about it logically. If Felix and Isaac started fighting Jenna would come in and rip into BOTH of them for being idiots as soon as she arrived.
Maybe having it be a duel between Felix and Isaac (colosso style) would have been better.
And you can choose which one you'll play (or play both), and the winner becomes the main character for the rest of the story.
 

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Yeah, but think about it logically. If Felix and Isaac started fighting Jenna would come in and rip into BOTH of them for being idiots as soon as she arrived.
Well in this scenario, i'd imagine Felix is playing defense while Isaac's on the attack thinking his once best friend has gone mad.

And I guess it could make for an intense moment. Jenna having to stop her lover from potentially killing her brother.
 
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ThoughtfulWanderer

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I noticed we got the Moon assist trophy on the blog today instead of a fighter like usual.

Does anyone know what blog number it is? (is it the blog post that was planned for today, it's not some random number is it?)
#152, so it's sequential to the prior Pikachu posts, but strangely not a fighter as anticipated for some reason.
 

Golden Icarus

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The argument that Minecraft is successful has a very little to do with getting a character in Smash. Here are some examples of other series that have been or are very successful (and have not appeared in a Smash game): Call of Duty, Halo, World of Warcraft, GTA, Elder Scrolls, Lego, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, and Uncharted.

The point I am trying to make with this^ list, is that Sakurai does not just ravenously go after an IP that is popular. Just as it makes no sense to add a character from Call of Duty or World of Warcraft, it makes no sense to add a character from Minecraft.
I think there are a few reasons Minecraft’s success is so noteworthy in the face of the other series you listed. But to me, it’s the small start that it had. A completely independently developed game, that blew up into one of the best selling games of all time. No Call of Duty, Uncharted, or Assassin’s Creed game even comes close to its success. And those are all big name series, developed by big name companies, with tens and hundreds of employees. Plenty of people, myself included, discuss how cool it would be to get indie characters like Shovel Knight, or Quote, or Sans, or Shantae. But even as a crazy big Shovel Knight fan, I will certainly admit that Steve is the face of indie success stories. And not a single other character comes close to that notoriety.
 

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Big Leagues? What does it says?
Take my conjecture with a grain of salt but:
Here's everything now being covered:

Classification of goods and services and designated goods or designated services】
9th category Electronic game program, downloadable electronic game program, video game program, downloadable video game program, ROM cartridge storing program software for home video game, program for home video game machine , A downloadable home video game machine program, a storage medium storing a program for a home video game machine, a program for a portable electronic game machine, a downloadable portable electronic game machine program, a portable electronic game A memory medium in which a program for a machine is stored, a program for a commercial TV game machine, a downloadable program for a commercial video game machine, a storage medium storing a program for a commercial video game machine, a case for a smartphone, Computer Game software for downloading, game software for downloading computer, computer program (stored one), program for smartphone, program for downloadable smartphone, recording medium storing program for smartphone, recording medium with recorded or recorded Compact disc, image files that can be received and saved using the Internet, music files that can be received and saved using the Internet, electronic publications
(731)

Music files received and saved using the internet seems consistent with both Sakurai's statement that the soundtrack is downloadable. At bare minimum, we still exist. If we count downloadable YouTube songs, it's a hopeful indicator.

Program for commercial TV game machine is for the Switch, no question. Cartridges and storage mediums are super interesting, if it was just VC they have no need for anything like that. This makes me think we have more to us.

The various smart phone programs seems not to indicate mobile Golden Sun. Seems something different entirely.

As a whole, the trademark actually seems non-routine. I'd go into it more but can't rn, but anyone thinking differently from this?
 
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