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Nah, there would still be a lot.
Honestly I think it would. And I would love to see the "unrealizable" names included too.
If they included the unrealizable names, then we'd likely have to go through several pages of material just to find the first video game character, given how many people could have spammed votes for Goku, Iron Man, Spongebob, Shrek, etc.
My concern is that they'd take that anger out on the wrong people. Let's say that Geno did rank highly - the decision to not make him playable seems like it would fall on whatever higher-up at Square-Enix was involved in the negotiations (or whatever higher-up at Nintendo was involved with the negotiations - I have no idea how this sort of thing normally goes, or if it varies from company to company), but people would likely direct that anger at Sakurai, any Nintendo social media accounts, any Square-Enix social media accounts, etc. instead of whoever's actually responsible for it.
True on the first point. I would hate to see sakurai get hate again over something that he has no control over. However on the topic of a potential waluigi moveset, I don't think that would stop the team. They made movesets for characters like Rob and duck hunt. Pretty much all of their moves are made up or improvised and not taken from direct source material. im sure if they could do something for them then they could think something up that would work for waluigi.
I mean, it already happens? Almost every day, someone is blaming the dude for something that he likely has either no say over, or very little say over. Sometimes, that's happening in this thread.
This was my biggest reason for leaving speculation and the smash community as a whole. It was legitimately bad for my mental health to constantly have to face the negative bullcrap I'd constantly get and see if somebody dared ask for geno to be In smash or even mention him. Couple that with how much of a disappointment this second pass has been so far and of course I'd eventually just get sick and tired of it. Plus just burnout from playing smash in general. I would go back to smash if they added a character I actually care about or think is fun, but they haven't. It's been much better for me to stay out of smash anything aside from this thread.
You: "Complains about the lack of respect in the community"
That's the double-edged sword of speculation, in that you're not guaranteed anything at the end of the day. No matter how much time, effort, and hope into something, nothing's guaranteed to happen, and to be honest, the deck is usually stacked against you.
It wasn't so much I was ever expecting anything. I guess all I asked for was for certain communities to not be so abrasive towards us and what we want it of it. It definitely painted specific characters and gaming communities in a bad light for me when initially they weren't.
I mean, there's definitely a reason to that, and the thing I'll say is frankly, the Geno fandom was not treated this way back in Smash 4 days.
It's a self perpetual cycle amongst the detractors which then gets blamed on the fanbase. A fanbase gets annoying or arrogant or repetitive and legitimately annoys the Smash crowd. Been done thousand of times before. Maybe it turns people away from that character. And maybe a group is formed to counter that fanbase. So the detractors complain about a fanbase. Over and over. And over. And over.. They mention how they are sick of seeing that name, seeing that group. They bring the character up time and time again and how they hate them. Soon others join in. The dislike cycles back through them, getting them more annoyed at the fanbase for bring reminded of that character that they themselves are mentioning. Soon it evolves from dislike to downright loathing and hatred. Meanwhile, it may have been weeks since a fan has said anything. But now the negative image of that fanbase has gotten so big that it has become THE image of the fanbase and nothing the fanbase does can change that.
At the same time though, there was basically little to no animosity towards the Geno fanbase and the wider Smash audience during Smash 4. I think the question is what changed during those 4 years.
Maybe because Ridley was the punching bag during 4. What I posted also works for him at that time.
Right, but Ridley had the whole "Is he a stage boss? Is he not?" debacle, and you had very decisive opinions whether he was or not.
Ridley, Banjo and K. Rool became playable. Geno was the next historical request in line after these three.
You could probably add the whole Cacomallow rumor spreading from thread to thread for months on end.
I really don't remember much mockery in regards to K.Rool and Banjo, but that could just be me. K.Rool's fandom was fairly either highly regarded or just outright left alone until post-E3, and at least from my experience, the absolute worst that it got was the occasional "He's irrelevant" post, and even then, I'd argue more people wanted K.Rool than not.
Cacomallow probably did do a number, yes. That leak was exhausting, and didn't do this community any favor after it was shown that Mii costumes were in fact modable. I understand wanting a leak to be real, but once evidence was put forward that Mii costumes weren't as impossible as we were lead to believe, people really should have taken a step back and not been soo confident it was 100% true. And like, well, I think it's very safe to say it's fake at this point.
Hey now. Be nice. Just because you didnt get your beloved doll doesnt mean you have the right to insult other groups. Thats how wars start
It's a fact that Sephiroth and Kazuya are the biggest bimbos of the 21st century.
As someone who stalked boards like these and GameFAQS back in the Smash 4 days, I’d dispute the idea that there was “little to no animosity” towards Geno and his fans back in those days.
I think you might be underestimating the depths of human depravity and malevolence. True, there may have been one or two obnoxious Geno fans, as with any fanbase, but when it comes to the Internet, I invoke the words of Alfred Pennyworth:
You can explain all of this with two words: Dragon Quest.
The Geno fandom had mostly gone underground post-Brawl. They didn't really come back into the limelight until Sakurai acknowledged the character's popularity in 2016 with the Mii costume.
This is like really dumb. "In a way that feels satisfying"... bruh; you literally pointed out that they made a moveset out of an immobile character. They could literally make a table playable at this point. I'm not even a Waluigi homer but there is literally no difference between him, Rosalina, Bowser Jr. and Plant. Plant is still the weirdest out of all of them. I fail to see the reason you feel the need to discriminate against him when they've proven they can make any video game character playable, so long as they aren't larger than Ridley in size evidently.
I don't feel it's ever been worth it. It's sometimes been fun, but if they could just tell us the characters I would rather have it that way. I don't really need to be amused by surprises... the fighters should be ablle to carry themselves under their own merit. Speculation just feels like a waste of time most of the time.
I would much rather prefer Nintendo to tell us ahead of time what they were wanting to add in like how Capcom and Namco have been treating treating dlc passes.
I mean, who suffers, exactly? Ya gotta remember that us folk online that spend a lot of our time speculating about the Smash characters are a fraction of a fraction of Smash's total audience. Like, I know we forget sometimes, but we make up less than 1% of the total sales. To a big, big company, outside of stuff like the ballot, we don't matter. Every one of us could have not bought Ultimate and Ultimate still would have broken 20 million sales easily.
Random question I guess but back in Smash 4, did veterans have support threads? I'm an Ult baby right from its announcement so I wouldn't know.I'll try to be blunt, but fair and empathetic.
Geno fans aren't really a pariah on other sites. Sure you'll find antis wherever you go, but the sentiment towards Geno fans is nowhere near as harsh.
Geno fans were also considered standard fair during the Brawl days and were even considered pretty cool in the Smash 4 days.
There was a big tonal shift in the Geno community between Smash 4 and Ultimate and it seemed to stick for quite a while.
I don't know what the exact cause is, but the thread did start to develop bad behavior and that solidified people's perception of the Geno's thread. There was little community policing and issues with leadership.
And yes I know there were people bullying the Geno thread, but the best response to bullies isn't bully back and yeah, snide comments in public forums do count as bullying. If you have to vent, it's the safest to do it in PMs with people you trust. Airing it out in public is how you get bullied more. That's not me trying to blame the victim either. It's trying to tell you how to avoid putting that metaphorical target on your back.
If I had to give advice, I'd say just focus on policing the community and finding a good, socially smart leader who cares for people inside the group and outside of it. It's real easy to make a community an echo chamber, but one should strive to ensure it doesn't happen because on the off chance the predicted outcome doesn't happen, it crushes you. Instead, accept the possibility that it might never happen and find happiness elsewhere. Speculation can be exhausting when you put your heart on the line. Find other aspects of the game or life that you like, or talk to others to find out why they like things you don't. You may even grow to like new things. That's the beauty of crossovers. There's always new stuff to learn about.
One reason the Isaac and K.Rool threads were so successful is because they have very level headed community leadership in N3ON and BKupa. The reason the Ridley thread failed in Smash 4 was because... it didn't really have a community built like that. It did, at some points, but things got out of control and it didn't last. A good way to tell if the leader will last is if people outside the group respect them. It means they have the social tools to keep the community safe, respected and respectful.
I don't want you guys to give up on a character you love, but if the thread wants to improve its reputation, some community restructuring is gonna have to take place. I'm not even gonna hope to suggest who should do that. It's something you guys are gonna have to figure out on your own.
But if the Ridley thread was able to pull itself together, you guys can.
Yes they did, though they were separated from newcomer discussion.
I think claiming stuff like "next historical request" and other stuff is exactly the kind of thing that has resulted in there being a lot of frustration with the Geno community because it's based in a very odd perception that negates other highly requested characters. Like, the three you listed weren't even historical requests to begin with either, and that language gets very casually misused a lot by certain members of the Geno community in an attempt to prop the guy up. But the reality is that the big three people refer to were only very suddenly the big three before the start of Ultimate and didn't have historical requests to stand on as a whole. Ridley got his start in Brawl as a request, absolutely ballooned in Smash 4, and then sort of fell off only to end up in Ultimate at the very start. King K. Rool wasn't really a huge thing in the Brawl days with Diddy Kong at the forefront of Brawl stuff anyway and he only really exploded in a post Donkey Kong Country Returns world in Smash 4 and became a new request. And Banjo & Kazooie literally had almost no vocal support until the Smash 4 Ballot had just started. They were three character that all had very different entry points as frontrunners of certain online popularity polls. And similarly, Geno was really popular in Brawl and then cratered in Smash 4 before being revived by the Mii Costume to then the larger status here. Historical requests aren't a huge thing, but that's how those other three got framed.
No it was.
I mean