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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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AdamBel731

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I agree with you Fatman, Waluigi and Geno, while both from the Super Mario franchise, are vastly different characters with different fanbases. Nintendo doesn't care if they add too many Mario characters. ...I mean, it is Mario. The Mario franchise is the single biggest video game franchise on the planet (Pokémon is media), and is Nintendo's flagship series. In fact, both Mario characters could represent two parts of Mario's huge legacy: Waluigi with the Party and Kart spinoffs, and Geno with the RPGs (sorry Paper Mario). Both subsets of Mario mean a lot to people after all (yes even the Party and Kart spinoffs). While I'm not as confident on Waluigi as Geno, I could totally see both happening (I've said this for a while) and I would adore the see the internet's meltdown due to the purple pie man's inclusion.

(Also, let's not use Waluigi's few extremist fans as a knock against why he won't be in, I thought people were done with that since marginalizing a fanbase is no bueno.)
 
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lol. Yes, I do know what monkeys are. Was just addressing what I thought was odd is all. Nothing more.
Sorry, tone is bad on the internet. Wasn't trying to be sarcastic ass, was more going for a joke.


You point out K. Rool talks outside of his Smash incarnation.
He also is (mostly) bipedal and human-shaped, albeit a total chonker. DK is just straight up a normal monkey/ape/etc I'm not a monkey scientist sue me for not knowing.
 

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Congratulations KCCHIEFS27 KCCHIEFS27 on personally winning the Super Bowl

Now Geno just has to get into Smash and 2020 will be your year
 

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Kind of surprised a lot of people argue with me about Geno coming after Waluigi. "But they're both Mario characters. We live in a society, sir."

1. Geno and Waluigi are nothing alike. Design wise, Geno is so wildly different from a vast majority of Mario characters that most people wouldn't even know unless you outright told them. A doll that doubles as basically a transforming mech with literal firearms doesn't exactly scream "Mario."

"Ha ha, what does Geno shoot? Corks? Paintballs?"

Uh, bullets. Actual bullets. Geno doesn't **** around.

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2. Characters being from the same series but announced back to back isn't unusual. Bowser and Peach. Ganondorf and Young Link. Solo Zard and Greninja. Palutena and Dark Pit. Lucina and Robin. Simon and Richter. This doesn't even include the combo characters that all technically count individually and the Mii Fighters. Waluigi and Geno being announced in two separate presentations really isn't a huge stretch with this in mind.
This is actually super accurate, I was looking at youtube comments on a video and someone thought Geno was a Zelda character haha.
 

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I just imagine Miyamoto sinking lower and lower into his chair as the SMRPG team describes different scenarios they plan on putting in the game until he's just laying on the floor and staring unblinkingly at the ceiling:

"In this scene, Mario tumbles backwards down a flight of stairs."

"In this scene, Mario literally gets shot in the face and gets knocked unconscious."

"In this scene, Mario has to be restrained by two people to prevent him from beating up a child."

"In this scene, Mario gets coated in gold and has to avoid getting felt up by an obese toucan."

"In this scene, Mario jumps on a trampoline and smashes his head into a cave ceiling, knocking him out. His unconscious body is then robbed."

"In this scene, Mario can choose whether an old man is tortured or not."

"In this scene, Mario goes to a casino run by the Mafia."

"In this scene, Mario watches a man commit suicide and sings and dances with his friends afterwards."

"In this scene, Mario fights a timeless god of chaos from another dimension that threatens to erase Mario and his friends from existence if they lose."
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultridley::ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie: full stop, they've been my most wantes for as long as I can remember and they're incredibly fun to play as. Other favorites are :ultpiranha::ultincineroar: and Byleth. Literally every other newcomer is great too.

Add Byleth's icon soon please.
 
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"In this scene, Mario fights a timeless god of chaos from another dimension that threatens to erase Mario and his friends from existence if they lose."
Miyamoto sighs, knowing his final boss for Super Mario 64 would now have to be scrapped
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie:, easily. Those were my two biggest wants for a while.
Also, how come there isn't a Byleth icon in the emoticon list yet?
 

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"In this scene, Mario has to be restrained by two people to prevent him from beating up a child."
This one I never really understood. HE'S A CHILD, MARIO! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GET SO ANGRY AS HIS TACTLESS RESPONSE?

"In this scene, Mario gets coated in gold and has to avoid getting felt up by an obese toucan."
... Oh...

"In this scene, Mario can choose whether an old man is tortured or not."
To be fair, he was... "tickled".

"In this scene, Mario watches a man commit suicide and sings and dances with his friends afterwards."
Even as a kid, this one never sat right with me. RIP Boomer... who was probably a boomer.
 
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So, a few things...

1. <insert obligatory pointless rant about my lack of activity in the thread here>

2. Even though I have my doubts about both of them being part of FP2, it should go without saying that Waluigi and Geno can absolutely coexist as DLC or just as newcomers in general. Literally as different as can be design and ability wise, hailing from two distinct branches of the Mario franchise, requested as **** etc. I'm beating a dead horse at this point. Also lol at the thought that Waluigi would cause as much controversy as Byleth.

3. Whoever thought up the crazy scenarios that happen in SMRPG deserves a raise and a half, and I'd die to see Miyamoto's reaction to them.

"Yo, Miyamoto-san. We're hiding an unidentified object in Peach's bedroom that's kinda sorta not really, but totally her vibrator, except we're calling it it a XXX so it'll fly over the kiddos' heads. Whaddya think?"

4.
I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultridley::ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie:, it goes without saying really. Even beyond their monumental hype, the three of them are just extremely fun characters I'm happy to have in the game. I'm also fascinated by their history as far as both Smash and their home series go. They have a little wooden buddy missing though...

5.
God, it's incredible! Looks damn near official. It's like something Nintendo would have made in Odyssey if they had the rights to Geno... and didn't sweep the RPGs under the rug in their other Mario games.

6. Lastly and most importantly...

... but it's definitely real
 
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Genuinely mad right now but I wanted to put this out there. If I share literally anything with you in private and specifically tell you to not share it, please respect that. This isn't an issue for you all but I woke up this morning to find a bunch of messages that someone from Forest Maze yet again leaked some of my DMs from mid December. On that note, I appreciate the hell out of you guys. You all are cool and haven't leaked anything I've shared. Some of you have been confidants for over a year and not a single thing has come from you all. People who say Geno fans are the worst can honestly go **** themselves.

You all are cool. On that note, if I can trust people like Nessdeltarune and Burb with private info despite being some of my biggest critics, that says a lot if you go around leaking stuff. That's right... People who have openly mocked me and been involved in raids have ironically been more trust worthy confidants than the two Forest Maze leakers the past month. If that's not a total damnation, I don't know what is. I hope not to make a post like this again but I'm putting it out there, betray my trust, I'll publicly drag your ass for it.
That really sucks. Sorry you have to deal with that and I know the feeling very well.

A remake of SMRPG with some updates could be good. Wouldn't be surprised if they add just one new character without major changes to the plot
 

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I'm sure we remember Peach's "item" in her room. >.>

I love it when games just barely get under the radar with stuff like that.
The best part of that entire thing was Peach popping up outta nowhere to yell at Mario

This game teaches us about the importance of privacy and not being perverts. Don't be like Mario, ladies and gentlemen
 

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The best part of that entire thing was Peach popping up outta nowhere to yell at Mario

This game teaches us about the importance of privacy and not being perverts. Don't be like Mario, ladies and gentlemen
Yeah. He's a plumber, not a housekeeper. XD

Only certain areas you should be in.

...Doesn't sound much better considering where plumbers are needed, does it? ._.
 
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Sorry, tone is bad on the internet. Wasn't trying to be sarcastic ass, was more going for a joke.
All good. Hard to know how to read things on the internet. No biggie.




Polarthief said:
He also is (mostly) bipedal and human-shaped, albeit a total chonker. DK is just straight up a normal monkey/ape/etc I'm not a monkey scientist sue me for not knowing.
Like this. lol

Wow. That looks so good. Geno would have really fit in some of the recent 3D titles. Galaxy1/2, Odyssey... I wish they would have kept the rights to the characters from SMRPG. To go back and change that one part of the contract would be fantastic, huh?
 
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So I believe Geno's reveal trailer is going to be a sequel to Hero's trailer, here's why.

- The Hero's trailer takes place in a forest, not any forest. The opening where link is fighting Galeem's forces its a giant empty patch with trees surrounding it. Very similar to The Forest Maze from SMRPG

- The Hero's trailer ends in a cliffhanger, with the alt costumes rushing into battle before transitioning to gameplay and ending there.

- The Hero is appropriately a Square Enix character, fitting as the Banjo Kazooie and K.Rool trailer only had Rare created characters.

- And a reach which is They're both RPG characters.
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
My number one is definitely :ulthero: with Eleven and Erdrick being in my most wanted list and just being one the characters I've had the most fun with.
I'm also pretty happy for :ultken: and:ultbanjokazooie: who I was also rooting for and although I wasn't actively hoping for :ult_terry:, he surprised me a lot with how fun he is.
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
What got me mostly hyped were so far
:ultkrool::ultridley::ultbanjokazooie::ultdarksamus:
And I am hoping for more old requests to finally be granted soon
Especially Geno and Rayman and Crash
 
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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
For me, it's a lot.
:ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultdarksamus::ultkrool::ultken::ultincineroar: and the DLC crew:ultpiranha::ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry:(InsertByleth stock icon)
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultridley::ultisabelle::ultbanjokazooie:

-Ridley was my most wanted villain since Melee. Been one of my top 5 for just as long.

-My wife and I strongly bond over Animal Crossing. We both play Pocket Camp daily and she played New Leaf for about three years before stopping. We even had AC Amiibo as cake toppers at our wedding:

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Also, wrote this post in 2014 but it still rings true of what Animal Crossing means to me.

https://smashboards.com/threads/and...u-probably-do-too.338815/page-5#post-16813523

I also just really like Isabelle as a character and she's probably my favorite female video game character at the moment. Her personality is similar to my wife and we joke about it a lot. I also have the smug satisfaction of calling her addition to Ultimate despite people insisting she was "casual trash" and would never get in. Plus she's kind of a meme monster and I appreciate that a lot.

-Banjo is also a big part of my life and I played the original and Tooie to death. Much like Villager, there was a slow death of hope for them in Smash until I dropped support of them entirely. Being a Banjo fan in the 2000's was exhausting. Microsoft got RARE and all we got was Nuts N Bolts which most people hated. Jon Tron's video on it sums things up perfectly. It was crushing disappointment after disappointment until Phil Spencer said he would entertain the idea. Some hope came back then it was crushed by Grinch then I learned about him in April 2019 and couldn't tell a vast majority of people. It was definitely a journey and finally getting Banjo back with Nintendo after all these years was incredibly satisfying.
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie::ultsimon::ultridley::ulthero:
These were all really hype for me.

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Not a character I was hoping for, but being this game's joke character also had me pretty hyped for :ultpiranha:
 
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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
For me, :ultridley::ultkrool::ultdarksamus::ultbanjokazooie: and now after playing him and his games, :ult_terry:
 

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I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
:ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie::ultridley:

These 3 are characters that I have a strong connection to and wanted to be playable in Smash for a long time. They were the hypest announcements for me by far for SSBU. Ridley getting in is genuinely what convinced me to buy a Switch 2 summers ago. I even named my puppy I got right after the game came out Ridley due to sheer hype. It was evidence that Sakurai was listening to the fans. K. Roll getting in really sealed it. Other than Geno Banjo was the only character I actually cared about post-pass and the small hints to his getting in felt almost too good to be true at times. But honestly when PapaGenos was contacted about Banjo way back in fall of 2018 something about it seemed really legit to me. Hero getting announced at the beginning of the E3 direct was pretty anti-hype for me but Banjo really made my entire month. I’ll admit part of the happiness came from being able to laugh at people who said Banjo was a never ever pick and too irrelevant for Smash .I can’t even imagine my hype if/when Geno gets in.

So I believe Geno's reveal trailer is going to be a sequel to Hero's trailer, here's why.

- The Hero's trailer takes place in a forest, not any forest. The opening where link is fighting Galeem's forces its a giant empty patch with trees surrounding it. Very similar to The Forest Maze from SMRPG

- The Hero's trailer ends in a cliffhanger, with the alt costumes rushing into battle before transitioning to gameplay and ending there.

- The Hero is appropriately a Square Enix character, fitting as the Banjo Kazooie and K.Rool trailer only had Rare created characters.

- And a reach which is They're both RPG characters.
I really think Geno’s trailer would either be a sequel to Hero’s trailer or Ridleys. Both would be very fitting. The former if they’re emphasizing him being a spirit promotion and SE character. The latter if they want to emphasize his connection with Mario and being a shooty character like MM and Samus. Really Geno reviving Mario and Megaman and giving them a hand up before they all team up to take down Ridley with Samus would be glorious.
 
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I was really happy about KRool, Simon, Richter, Ridley and Banjo. I just want Geno though!, (He was my Number 1 before these characters got in)
 
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This is the happiest night of my life. One lifelong dream down, one to go.

Geno time.
Felt the same way when the Toronto Raptors won the NBA finals might be somewhere else now but they’ll always be my team those Raptors! Anyway congratulations to and here’s to many more great years for those Kansas City Chiefs!

Also favourite characters that have been added? King K. Fool I might not play the Donkey Kong Country games much but I adore the series, and after learning and seeing more about that crazy crocodile I wanted him in. Soon as he got in. I was beyond happy nothing Will top that for me except Spyro. But still my favourite newcomer to date. Ridley is a close second, because too see that badass Metroid villain in that the fans have wanted in. Was really cool. Banjo & Kazooie as well. I was really happy too see them added and they just felt like such a great awesome addition coolest fighter pass character so far still.
 
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I agree with you Fatman, Waluigi and Geno, while both from the Super Mario franchise, are vastly different characters with different fanbases. Nintendo doesn't care if they add too many Mario characters. ...I mean, it is Mario. The Mario franchise is the single biggest video game franchise on the planet (Pokémon is media), and is Nintendo's flagship series. In fact, both Mario characters could represent two parts of Mario's huge legacy: Waluigi with the Party and Kart spinoffs, and Geno with the RPGs (sorry Paper Mario). Both subsets of Mario mean a lot to people after all (yes even the Party and Kart spinoffs). While I'm not as confident on Waluigi as Geno, I could totally see both happening (I've said this for a while) and I would adore the see the internet's meltdown due to the purple pie man's inclusion.

(Also, let's not use Waluigi's few extremist fans as a knock against why he won't be in, I thought people were done with that since marginalizing a fanbase is no bueno.)
Let's go deeper than those superficial modifiers: Waluigi isn't just a Mario sports/Party rep - he is the first Mario character created specifically for the Mario sports/Party titles. Yes, there were those oddly human characters in the Gameboy Mario Tennis, but Waluigi is undeniably a Mario character. Likewise, Geno doesn't just represent the Mario RPGs - he's the fan favorite of two protagonists created specifically for the very first Mario RPG, the very first time Nintendo worked with a third party developer on the Mario franchise. Smash has a thing for the "OG" characters of a given franchise (unless you're Mother or Persona) and Geno is very much the OG Mario RPG character by popular demand.
I’m just happy I got :ultjoker: and :ultkrool: man, that alone has made me so incredibly happy that I can’t really be disappointed with future dlc.
What are some of your guys favorite newcomers?
In terms of characters I got hype for? :ultrichter:
and... uh... that's it. I wanted Richter more than Simon, but knew that Simon was gonna get the aforementioned OG status and we'd be stuck with him. Legitimately never would have picked up a Belmont if we'd only gotten Simon because I hate his design. I like :ult_terry:too, but not to play as, nor was I stoked to know he was in... He's just cool.

I guess my tastes differ vastly from the majority of the Smash fanbase; the characters who would have gotten me the most hype will likely never make it in. Aside from Geno, of course! please God
 
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Hey y'all hope everything is alright with folks in here! I've been hanging in the discord more, but just wanted to pop in.

My hypest pick thus far was Ridley. Like many have said, I have wanted him as a villain for a long while. He represents something darker in Nintendo, which I love.

K. Rool was in a similar boat, but I love how cartoony they made him. To me it is the closest character to Porky I can get.

Simon was my ballot pick along with Ridley (because I had yet to fall in love with Geno, only knew him peripherally). Always felt Castlevania was the most Nintendo of third parties before I learned more about Geno.

Of the DLC thus far, only Geno could top Banjo for me. So many fond memories of that game throughout my boyhood. And just one of those things I found impossible.

This goes without saying probably, but Geno means more to me than any other. May have been late to discovering him, but much like he came to save folks from Smithy, he and SMRPG saved me from spiralling at a critical turning point in my life. And meeting all the amazing folks involved in this movement has made Geno that much more special to me.

Thanks for reading.
 

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For Christ's sake people this probably means nothing. Mii Sword Fighter and Duck Hunt's glitches were not even comparable to what happened to Simon and Bayonetta. Like, one was glitches involving save data and the other involving visual appearance, not even related at all. Not to mention, we have no proof Byleth used Simon as a base as far as I know. Wouldn't Shulk or any of the other FE characters work much better than Simon? Like, it seems awfully suspicious that the 2 glitches of the visual variety are also ones that are completely unproven to be linked any characters. Also, Ice Climbers had a glitch a few months back and it amounted to nothing. I read to deep into everything and even this is a bit much for me.
Simon's up tilt is similar to Byleth's up smash. They could've used Simon as a base, but we won't know until a datamine.
 

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Talked about it a little bit in the Waluigi thread but I think people grossly underrate the significance of longevity in Smash.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLM2nMWsKL8&t=4s

This video sums it up perfectly for Ridley. Perfect attendance but always managed to miss the boat. Daisy and K. Rool were pretty much the same starting with Melee. Again, ignore at your own peril but Waluigi has missed the boat since Melee too but I'm going to make this about Geno. The starting place of this conversation really ought to be the first game.

The original Smash was basically a passion project between two best friends, Iwata and Sakurai. They did a lot of stuff without permission to get the prototype ready to impress Nintendo's executives with. They were impressed... To a point. The original was pretty low budget and it shows. For reasons unknown, Nintendo had very little faith in it so basically challenged Sakurai and Iwata to prove their goofy little project was worth it. Obviously, the original blew away expectations and was an instant phenomenon. Now Nintendo cared and wanted Smash as a launch title for the GameCube.

Sakurai basically had less than a year to churn out Melee. Nintendo basically gave Sakurai whatever he needed for the project. This is when the doors swung open and why Melee is basically the "first" Smash game. It was no longer a goofy beat em up, it was a celebration of Nintendo's, even the super obscure stuff. Melee's content crushed the original's in every aspect and that's basically been the standard since.

Melee was basically the start of things and fans were already dreaming big dreams. In 2000, there was absolutely no indication that Smash would ever have third party characters and yet people still asked for them. Again, Geno and Crash were two of them. There was absolutely no reason to expect these characters at the time but people did it anyways. The fans wanted Smash to be even bigger even before Nintendo itself knew it.

Brawl took things up even higher. Cinematics, third party characters, a sprawling soundtrack, an absurd amount of collectibles, bosses, assist trophies, etc. Basically made the game as if it would be his very last and more or less said this over and over again throughout development. This is why Sakurai's comments on Geno in 2016 are so significant. If this really was going to be Sakurai's last Smash game, he wanted Geno in there. That's deep.

Smash 4 raised things even higher and basically kicked the door off the hinges for third party content. Now Smash was a celebration of gaming. By Smash 4's end, third party franchises represented was in double digits. Again, this ongoing theme of trying to outdo himself, even in the face of personal injury. Yet again, Sakurai said he wanted Geno present in some form. Nintendo's biggest crossover at the time and Geno being there was important. Even in his Mii costume reveal, Sakurai basically described how they went out of their way to have Geno included somehow. He was the only Square Enix content that wasn't Final Fantasy. Those are some pretty big implications.

Now we're at the present. Sakurai has said over and over again that Ultimate is a tribute to Iwata, not only his best friend and mentor but the guy that pulled a ton of strings and snuck past forests of red tape to make Smash even possible. This is where we pull back some and look at Smash history as a whole. Geno has pretty much been there the entire time. He was requested for Melee. He had an honest effort to get him into Brawl. He got a Mii costume in Smash 4 through compromise. He was in the base game of Ultimate. The depth of the history is astounding and, to be totally blunt, Waluigi is the only other character that has this much of a historical tie to the entire history of Smash that isn't playable yet. If you want to ignore all the rumors and all the insider stuff, this is the strongest argument to why, if these really are the last 6 to 7 characters for Ultimate, Geno will definitely be one of them.
 
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