Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I think it's neat you guys can look at these stats and see how you feel it could be Geno, but could you explain how the codename 'Brave' ties in at all to Geno?

'Packu' is literally a shortened version of Piranha Plant's Japanese name, it's super-direct. 'Jack' is the name of the mascot of SMT/Persona, Jack Frost, and is a face card in a deck, like a Joker card is, making it work in multiple ways that line up. Both of these codenames actually relate to their character in some specific way.

How do you actually feasibly look at 'Brave' and relate that to Geno? Because just saying 'he's brave' is a catch-all that could apply to just about any character in no specific way. If any of you can at least correlate the codename 'Brave' to Geno I'd actually like to know the reasoning behind it.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it's neat you guys can look at these stats and see how you feel it could be Geno, but could you explain how the codename 'Brave' ties in at all to Geno?

'Packu' is literally a shortened version of Piranha Plant's Japanese name, it's super-direct. 'Jack' is the name of the mascot of SMT/Persona, Jack Frost, and is a face card in a deck, like a Joker card is, making it work in multiple ways that line up. Both of these codenames actually relate to their character in some specific way.

How do you actually feasibly look at 'Brave' and relate that to Geno? Because just saying 'he's brave' is a catch-all that could apply to just about any character in no specific way. If any of you can at least correlate the codename 'Brave' to Geno I'd actually like to know the reasoning behind it.

I think the brave codename could be someone we don't expect just by looking at "brave." You would never guess that it was referring to Geno.

Jack does have a connection to Joker, but nobody would have guessed it was referring to him. People might have thought it would be referring to Raiden.

It's not that we think brave has a connection to Geno, it's that we think it may not be someone we guess just by looking at the codename "brave."

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Doesn't Brave also have the frame data of a zoner?

Also, the codename may be more vague because Geno is a more secretive character, or because they caught on to people finding out about stuff like Piranha Plant's stats, so they took measures.

 

[Deleted member]

Doesn't Brave also have the frame data of a zoner?

Brave's stats do match the frame data of zoners like Pacman, Mii Gunner, and Duck-hunt

 

[Fatmanonice]

The kid size is kind of a important distinction because of the weight too. Brave is 101. Lucas, Ness, and Inkling are 94, Ice Climbers and Villager are 92, Toon Link is 91, and Young Link is 88. In comparison, Megaman is 102 and Cloud is 100. Wario is 107, Mario is 98, and Pac-Man is 95. One explanation is Erdrick's full armor from the original Japanese box art:

But, with this in mind, why is he floaty and why does he skid? As pointed out a couple of times now, the floaty swordsmen are also light and fast to balance them out. Plus, another thing talked about to death, kid girl Erdrick is not canon and a number of insiders including Tansut are insisting that it's ADULT Erdrick with the female alt from Dragon Quest III.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Running vs Air Speed vs Weight Units of Swordsmen:

Link: 1.534 - 0.924 - 104
Young Link: 1.749 - 0.966 - 88
Marth/Lucina: 1.964 - 1.071- 90
Roy/Chrom: 2.145 - 1.302 - 95
Metaknight: 2.09 - 1.04 - 80
Pit/Dark Pit: 1.828 - 0.935 - 96
Ike: 1.507 - 1.134 - 107
Toon Link: 1.906 - 1.05 - 91
Mii Swordfighter: 1.58 -1.17 - 100
Robin: 1.265 - 1.05 - 95
Shulk: 1.672 - 1.133 - 97
Cloud: 2.167 - 1.155 - 100
Corrin: 1.595 - 1.019- 98

Brave: 1.74 - 1.14 - 101

Going off all of this, the sword fighter that Brave has the most similarities with is Mii Swordfighter, which most people consider the outlier of the sword fighters. Going back to earlier, it's also important to repeat that Brave is about the size of Ness and Toon Link but isn't like them weight or speed wise.

Brave is also pretty close to Ike.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I think the brave codename could be someone we don't expect just by looking at "brave." You would never guess that it was referring to Geno.

Jack does have a connection to Joker, but nobody would have guessed it was referring to him. People might have thought it would be referring to Raiden.

It's not that we think brave has a connection to Geno, it's that we think it may not be someone we guess just by looking at the codename "brave."

So what I'm hearing is that you're content to just say 'this really has no particular relation to Geno, and despite the other two codenames having tangible relation to their assigned characters in hindsight, I'm hoping the same just doesn't apply to this one'? Because in your scenario, you ignore that while Joker may have been hard to guess from just 'Jack', it lines up in hindsight, but in the case 'Brave' turns out to be Geno, it makes no sense in hindsight.

Keep in mind, these other 2 codenames were in the data before official release, and both tied in with their characters with varying levels of success of keeping them secret. For this third codename, which we also aren't 'supposed' to know, to not have any actual relation to its character makes no sense. It kind of comes off as picking and choosing what available information is actually important, rather than taking a look at the whole picture.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Tbh, I still expect Erdrick being the SE rep due to the insiders consensus. I'm just wondering about the next 3

 

[Xigger]

I think it's neat you guys can look at these stats and see how you feel it could be Geno, but could you explain how the codename 'Brave' ties in at all to Geno?

'Packu' is literally a shortened version of Piranha Plant's Japanese name, it's super-direct. 'Jack' is the name of the mascot of SMT/Persona, Jack Frost, and is a face card in a deck, like a Joker card is, making it work in multiple ways that line up. Both of these codenames actually relate to their character in some specific way.

How do you actually feasibly look at 'Brave' and relate that to Geno? Because just saying 'he's brave' is a catch-all that could apply to just about any character in no specific way. If any of you can at least correlate the codename 'Brave' to Geno I'd actually like to know the reasoning behind it.

The most popular theory is that the codenames don't have to be very on-the-nose, but I can do you one better: Everyone knows Brave translates from hero, and it's vague enough for any character. Especially a nameless star hero who took a doll's name.

(Still, codenames don't NEED to be justified)

 

[Ovaltine]

I have a brief moment on the computer, so I'm going to say my piece on the codename and stats.

I still think it's Erdrick. I think insiders are wrong about it being adult Erdrick, though, as these stats fit kid Erdrick better. That being said, I could see these stats related to Geno instead, and I can even see the codename. However, the codename is a stretch, but it's understandable once you know about it.

Geno is based off of Pinocchio, as stated in Nintendo Power by Square themselves. What does Pinocchio represent? He represents his desire to become a real boy through, and I quote verbatim, "being brave, truthful, and unselfish." Note that first word. Of those qualities, we definitely see Geno's bravery before anything else, and when you think of his relation to Pinocchio...

It makes more sense for Square, especially, to find that a good, yet terribly vague codename. Anything else would be a dead giveaway. This would make more sense internally while also keeping the public stumped. It's a pretty simple, yet effective solution.

That being said, I highly doubt this is Geno. For people getting their hopes up, I recommend keeping them tempered massively. I'm still 99% on it being Erdrick myself. It would be a nice, pleasant surprise for it to be Geno, but I don't see it that way.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

On the other hand, given the meaning Brave has in Japan and if the character in question is related to DQ, it wouldn't even be like calling the password "swordfish" anymore, but "password", given how blatantly obvious it is for anyone to pin down. It'd be such an idiotic move that I wouldn't be surprised if it's SE themselves that came up with it.

I have a brief moment on the computer, so I'm going to say my piece on the codename and stats.

I still think it's Erdrick. I think insiders are wrong about it being adult Erdrick, though, as these stats fit kid Erdrick better. That being said, I could see these stats related to Geno instead, and I can even see the codename. However, the codename is a stretch, but it's understandable once you know about it.

Geno is based off of Pinocchio, as stated in Nintendo Power by Square themselves. What does Pinocchio represent? He represents his desire to become a real boy through, and I quote verbatim, "being brave, truthful, and unselfish." Note that first word. Of those qualities, we definitely see Geno's bravery before anything else, and when you think of his relation to Pinocchio...

It makes more sense for Square, especially, to find that a good, yet terribly vague codename. Anything else would be a dead giveaway. This would make more sense internally while also keeping the public stumped. It's a pretty simple, yet effective solution.

That being said, I highly doubt this is Geno. For people getting their hopes up, I recommend keeping them tempered massively. I'm still 99% on it being Erdrick myself. It would be a nice, pleasant surprise for it to be Geno, but I don't see it that way.

Odds are, it could also be neither. Nor Agnes. Nor Yuri. Nor Elma. Nor Agumon. Nor anyone else that people think is related to Brave in some fashion. It could be someone completely unexpected. And I'll congratulate for thinking outside of the box.

 

[Deleted member]

So what I'm hearing is that you're content to just say 'this really has no particular relation to Geno, and despite the other two codenames having tangible relation to their assigned characters in hindsight, I'm hoping the same just doesn't apply to this one'? Because in your scenario, you ignore that while Joker may have been hard to guess from just 'Jack', it lines up in hindsight, but in the case 'Brave' turns out to be Geno, it makes no sense in hindsight.

Keep in mind, these other 2 codenames were in the data before official release, and both tied in with their characters with varying levels of success of keeping them secret. For this third codename, which we also aren't 'supposed' to know, to not have any actual relation to its character makes no sense. It kind of comes off as picking and choosing what available information is actually important, rather than taking a look at the whole picture.

Again, the reason we are thinking it could be Geno is because he fits the stats of brave, and because of this, we are thinking that brave could be the codename of something no one would think references it. Geno doesn't have a reference to brave, so it may be unexpected.

That's why I'm thinking it could, again, be someone no one guesses or thinks has a relation to. Yes, jack has a connection to Joker, but no one still would have guessed that it is referring to him. I'm thinking brave could be the same way. We don't think brave has a connection to Geno, therefore the codename wouldn't make sense.

Also no one is saying it definitely is, we are just saying it could be this way

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Also no one is saying it definitely is, we are just saying it could be this way

Speculation is only permissible within accepted parameters

 

[Deleted member]

Speculation is only permissible within accepted parameters

Ignore this

 

[Fatmanonice]

Brave is also pretty close to Ike.

Just in aerial speed. He's notably faster on the ground, he's tied for 10th best fast fall (Ike is tied for 28th so 18 character difference), and notably lighter. For example, the weight difference may not seem like much but there are 9 characters between them and there's a whooping 29 character difference when it comes to speed.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

My point still stands that no one is saying it will definitely happen, but that it could

thatwasajoke.jpg

 

[GoodGrief741]

The most popular theory is that the codenames don't have to be very on-the-nose, but I can do you one better: Everyone knows Brave translates from hero, and it's vague enough for any character. Especially a nameless star hero who took a doll's name.

(Still, codenames don't NEED to be justified)

Brave and Hero are only the same word in the context of Dragon Quest.

As in, the entire reason that Yuusha started being translated as Hero instead of Brave is because of Dragon Quest.

 

[Xigger]

Brave and Hero are only the same word in the context of Dragon Quest.

As in, the entire reason that Yuusha started being translated as Hero instead of Brave is because of Dragon Quest.

That's rather interesting, and pretty flattering for Dragon Quest to cause a language shift. Not sure if that's a pro or con, but I'll humbly step back from the language dynamics and leave it to the educated.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Brave and Hero are only the same word in the context of Dragon Quest.

As in, the entire reason that Yuusha started being translated as Hero instead of Brave is because of Dragon Quest.

But that's what people are saying. Pacchu is super vague without context, same with Jack. "Yuusha" is the complete opposite. We know Nintendo and Square Enix know about the leaks because people were supposedly getting fired as far back as September for it so why would the codename still be made to be something super obvious, especially when no one has a clue when this character is actually coming out?

 

[Deleted member]

What is everyone's favorite area in SMRPG?

 

[FLGibsonIII]

I think what people are trying to say is that the first two codenames only really make sense in hindsight, but brave if looked at by the Japanese is basically a dead giveaway. Being this obvious is as much a difference to the first two codenames as being more vague than the first two codenames.

 

[link2702]

I’m still keeping my expectations low, but I’ll say what I’ve said before, the characters codename might be intended to mislead everyone on who it actually is. Everyone’s practically jumped on the Erdrick ship, and for all we know square and Nintendo could be doing that on purpose, all so that we all are caught off guard by the reveal.

After all brave’s placeholder data wasn’t in the game until the most recent patch right? Maybe Nintendo saw how quickly and easily people figured out everyone else, and tried to take a different approach to how they added new characters data, by being deliberately misleading on names.


Hell for all we know it could be zidane from ff9.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

But that's what people are saying. Pacchu is super vague without context, same with Jack. "Yuusha" is the complete opposite. We know Nintendo and Square Enix know about the leaks because people were supposedly getting fired as far back as September for it so why would the codename still be made to be something super obvious, especially when no one has a clue when this character is actually coming out?

It's "Paccku," which, without the context of Pirahna Plant, could only really be Ms. Pac-Man (since Pakku Pakku is the Japanese onomatopoeia for Pac-man's munching sound.)

Still very misdirecting though.

 

[Deleted member]

It's "Paccku," which, without the context of Pirahna Plant, could only really be Ms. Pac-Man (since Pakku Pakku is the Japanese onomatopoeia for Pac-man's munching sound.)

Still very misdirecting though.

Paccachu!

The pokemon

 

[Klimax]

Or maybe they just used the design where Erdrick is short:

Spoiler

I'm playing the devil's advocate, yeah but I lost hope in Geno's chances at this point to be honest.

 

[Deleted member]

Or maybe they just used the design where Erdrick is short:

Spoiler

I'm playing the devil's advocate, yeah but I lost hope in Geno's chances at this point to be honest.

We've discussed it already, and brave still shares more movement similarities with characters like Wario, Pacman, and Duck-hunt than swordsman

 

[Fatmanonice]

Compare "Brave" to this recent story:

https://www.gonintendo.com/stories/...ion-of-4-emulators-in-the-switch-online-nes-a


The codename for the NES Emulator is Kachi- Kachi or the Japanese onomatopoeia for fire burning, SNES Emulator is Canoe, Hiyoko is the name of a type of Japanese cake, and the last one is simply Count. Those are great codenames because people only know the first two because of the NES and SNES Classic respectively. Nobody has a clue what systems the last two are supposed to be because of this.

 

[Deleted member]

Going to play some more SMRPG right now

 

[FLGibsonIII]

It would be really funny if Erdrick turned out to be the most elaborate leak bait of all time. People would genuinely be shocked.

 

[sanicdude246]

His chances are pretty bad. He appeared in 1 game. A reference in super star saga, Got removed in the remake and a spirit.
If he's a spirit and he joins, What's the point of the spirit battle.

 

[Eric2625]

Honestly whenever someone uses "DQ" to say dragon quest i think about dairy queen.

 

[Deleted member]

His chances are pretty bad. He appeared in 1 game. A reference in super star saga, Got removed in the remake and a spirit.
If he's a spirit and he joins, What's the point of the spirit battle.

Eh, everyone has different opinions of his chances, and I think they are looking good.

Lucas, Roy, Bayonetta, Ice Climbers, Pit, and King K Rool were all characters irrelevant characters and characters no one knew about, so that point doesn't hold much ground.

The Superstar Saga remake removal doesn't hold much ground either because Geno has appeared in Ultimate as a spirit, and, IIRC, the reason he was removed in the SS remake was because it would have been too expensive to keep him in the remake. It doesn't have anything to do with how many games he appeared in.

About spirits, the same could be said for the playable characters with spirits, like Wii Fit trainer, Link, and Kaptain K Rool. No point for them to have spirit battles when they are playable characters

 

[TooManyToastahs]

His chances are pretty bad. He appeared in 1 game. A reference in super star saga, Got removed in the remake and a spirit.
If he's a spirit and he joins, What's the point of the spirit battle.

I don’t know what kind of response you’re expecting from leaving a message like this in the Geno smashboards support board of all places, but if it’s to lower everyone’s expectations, well good luck with that. These people are probably some of the most resiliant fans of a character I’ve ever seen, I doubt a jpeg is gonna stop them from believing in Geno getting in Smash Ultimate.

Hasta la vista.

 

[Fatmanonice]

My whole thing is that, if it's Erdrick, it's the kid version with full body armor based on the weight and size but then why would he have good aerial movement, be significantly faster than Samus, Corrin, and Megaman who are also in full armor, and have a slide almost as bad as Luigi? Why would a kid in full body armor be this mobile? He's also the third fastest "kid" in the game after Inkling and Toon Link which makes it even weirder. The reasoning that Nintendo always gave for Link's speed is all his equipment but Erdrick has a sword, shield, and full armor including a helmet. I'm still in the boat that we're getting bamboozled somehow.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

My whole thing is that, if it's Erdrick, it's the kid version with full body armor based on the weight and size but then why would he have good aerial movement, be significantly faster than Samus, Corrin, and Megaman who are also in full armor, and have a slide almost as bad as Luigi? Why would a kid in full body armor be this mobile? He's also the third fastest "kid" in the game after Inkling and Toon Link which makes it even weirder. The reasoning that Nintendo always gave for Link's speed is all his equipment but Erdrick has a sword, shield, and full armor including a helmet. I'm still in the boat that we're getting bamboozled somehow.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's most likely going to be someone no one in this thread sees coming. Whatever Sakurai's second pick is, he's managed to get someone to handily play 4-D chess with the leakers.

Also, I'm getting bloody tired of these Korean spambots and want them to clear off already.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's most likely going to be someone no one in this thread sees coming. Whatever Sakurai's second pick is, he's managed to get someone to handily play 4-D chess with the leakers.

Also, I'm getting bloody tired of these Korean spambots and want them to clear off already.

If I'm being completely honest, the brave reveal is the reveal that I am looking forward to the most so far

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Honestly whenever someone uses "DQ" to say dragon quest i think about dairy queen.

Warren Buffett: "Guys, it's official. Mr. Sakurai invited us to represent our mascot in Super Smash Brothers."

 

[Deleted member]

Warren Buffett: "Guys, it's official. Mr. Sakurai invited us to represent our mascot in Super Smash Brothers."

DQ fits the brave stats. Oh my god.

Neutral b - chocolate chip toss
Side b - spoon throw
Up b - spoon flick
Down b - melt and freeze
Final Smash - the Ultimate flavor mixture - DQ cup releases a blast of chocolate, vanilla, smores, peanut butter, and oreo

 

[TooManyToastahs]

DQ fits the brave stats. Oh my god.

Neutral b - chocolate chip toss
Side b - spoon throw
Up b - spoon flick
Down b - melt and freeze
Final Smash - the Ultimate flavor mixture - DQ cup releases a blast of chocolate, vanilla, smores, peanut butter, and oreo

great. now i’m hungry.

 

[Deleted member]

great. now i’m hungry.

I made myself hungry too lmao.

On a side note, I am in Valentina's Castle in SMRPG! Another one of my favorite parts of the game