Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior (Come on! Let's get this show on the road! Geno DLC)

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I'm also pretty sure there was an interview that had someone say specifically he stole someone's invitation. I wasn't able to find it because I was at work. But I am almost positive they outright said he stole someone's.
You might be right, but I think it's a joke more than a hint.
 
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I, uh, don't see which part of my argument is "pissy and defensive"?
And no, I don't see "Corrin and Cloud are too similar to each other" as a legitimate criticism. Mostly because it's stupid.
Tell me one thing they have in common besides "ew anime" and "human". Just one thing.

Fighting style? Nope. Similar swords? Nope. Aesthetics? Considering the huge differences between style of clothing, hair, face, body type, nope. Abilities? Well one can turn into a ****ing dragon so nope.

Or how about Palutena and Shulk? Or Marth and Robin? Or Lucina and Shulk?

This is why I'm saying that imo it's not a legitimate criticism. Maybe it does work with some, like Lucina and Chrom- they both have the same sword and SOMEWHAT similar fighting styles. But they're echo fighters who took some random intern 3 minutes to make.

That's why I said I don't take people who think that "generic anime swordsman" is a legit thing seriously. Because I don't believe it's a legit complaint at all. It's a meme. One that should be died off long ago.

Honestly if the entire basis of the complaint is "sword human ew" then "Mega Man is just another Samus" or "Banjo is just Duck Hunt" or "Geno is too similar to Mega Man" would also be a just-as-legit complaint.
All of your responses have been super defensive over the fact that I'm explaining to you why people don't want more of those characters in. You can be bootyblasted that people have a difference of opinion but don't shoot the messenger and say you're not taking someone seriously over a comparison between two characters or that its a meme. Because that's not a very constructive discussion. Unless you just want to use me as a punching bag to take out all your anger over people not wanting more anime swordfighters in. If that's what gives you joy go for it I guess lol Yeah, Corrin and Cloud are similar in that they're more or less realistic anime-esque swordfighter protagonists. That's what people don't like. It is a very base comparison, but that's just what people are tired of. Is it superficial? Sure. But that's how people feel.

Shulk, Marth, Robin, and Lucina all do fall into that category whether you like it or not. It doesn't help that most are from the same series. Things don't have to be 1:1 to feel similar. I don't know if you suffer from some sort of visual impairment, but there's a clear aesthetic difference between Samus and MM or Banjo and Duck Hunt and they do things very differently. Their attacks are different and the way they are portrayed in the game is different. IF you showed someone Mega Man and Samus people would easily say that they are from different games and are not related. They're wildly different characters. That's the difference. Try the same thing with Shulk and Lucina. That's the problem people have. They feel too similar and there are already a lot of them.
 
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I definitely believe I've seen Reggie go on record to say Joker stole the invitation, but I also don't think it means anything. If anything, it's probably a great joke they can use to mess with us. Nintendo loves to troll.

That being said, uh... can we get some tempers simmering down in here? It's feelin' kinda spicy. Let's look on the bright side: even if Erdrick is highly likely, we still don't know the other three DLC slots. Who knows what kind of exciting stuff will be there? Who knows what kind of surprises we might get?
 

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I definitely believe I've seen Reggie go on record to say Joker stole the invitation, but I also don't think it means anything. If anything, it's probably a great joke they can use to mess with us. Nintendo loves to troll.

That being said, uh... can we get some tempers simmering down in here? It's feelin' kinda spicy. Let's look on the bright side: even if Erdrick is highly likely, we still don't know the other three DLC slots. Who knows what kind of exciting stuff will be there? Who knows what kind of surprises we might get?
I will be glad just for Erdrick alone.
Crash or Steve would be dope too.
 
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Shulk, Marth, Robin, and Lucina all do fall into that category whether you like it or not.
Shulk might be a sword user, but he plays very, very differently from the Fire Emblem characters because of his Monado Arts. Robin is a bit of a magic user, but at the same time, he is pretty much just as much of a sword user.
 

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I definitely believe I've seen Reggie go on record to say Joker stole the invitation, but I also don't think it means anything. If anything, it's probably a great joke they can use to mess with us. Nintendo loves to troll.

That being said, uh... can we get some tempers simmering down in here? It's feelin' kinda spicy. Let's look on the bright side: even if Erdrick is highly likely, we still don't know the other three DLC slots. Who knows what kind of exciting stuff will be there? Who knows what kind of surprises we might get?

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I definitely believe I've seen Reggie go on record to say Joker stole the invitation, but I also don't think it means anything. If anything, it's probably a great joke they can use to mess with us. Nintendo loves to troll.

That being said, uh... can we get some tempers simmering down in here? It's feelin' kinda spicy. Let's look on the bright side: even if Erdrick is highly likely, we still don't know the other three DLC slots. Who knows what kind of exciting stuff will be there? Who knows what kind of surprises we might get?
While I have reservations toward Erdrick's likelyhood given the "bandwagoning" surrounding him and the "Brave" stat contradictions, I do agree with the rest of your statement.
 
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Shulk might be a sword user, but he plays very, very differently from the Fire Emblem characters because of his Monado Arts. Robin is a bit of a magic user, but at the same time, he is pretty much just as much of a sword user.
I mean I agree with you, that speaking technically there are some differences in playstyles but at the same time a lot of them share qualities too. If more of the FE characters where as different as Robin I think you would see less criticism in general. I think if Sakurai used characters like Wyvern Riders and huge axe wielders in Sm4sh you wouldn't see the complaints you do now. I'm saying its the whole package together when people are pointing out "animu swordfighters" and why they feel same-y.
 
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From what it appears, there is always going to be a set of nasty trolls out there who do nothing but try to rub the fact the character is in the game (I saw some stuff during the Grinch leak regarding the characters in other places).

Supporting a character based on a leak is still considered support in my opinion. What a few others, the user in question, and I were arguing about was based on if support from a leak is should be considered genuine. Let's move on.



*cackles* The inclusion of 2B, the one that will create the biggest internet fireworks show yet! :upsidedown:
I honestly think someone like her would be mind-blowing or similar like Joker's reveal was, an unexpected surprise like Reggie was talking about. I would love to see 2B in Smash, and I really like the soundtrack of NieR: Automata, and a friend of mine would probably lose her mind if she found out 2B is coming to Smash; I'd like to see her happy and I'd love to have some NieR: Automata soundtrack in Smash Ultimate. Will I be sad if Geno doesn't make it? Yes, absolutely. I will be sad and disappointed that Geno couldn't make it a third time, but even after supporting Geno for about 11 years, I'm still fine with 2B in Smash since my friend will be very happy, and I haven't seen her happy in years. I like to put others first and me last. :)
This begs the question, Doomguy or Master Chief?

Anyway, I'm really close to elite smash at long last. I don't know how because I'm not that good, but I'm so close I can taste it. Of course, all while using the Geno profile pic.
Master Chief because I grew up with Halo, but I'd rather have the Arbiter from Halo 2/3 in Smash. Keep it up, you're almost to elite smash! :)
 
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I mean I agree with you, that speaking technically there are some differences in playstyles but at the same time a lot of them share qualities too. If more of the FE characters where as different as Robin I think you would see less criticism in general. I think if Sakurai used characters like Wyvern Riders and huge axe wielders in Sm4sh you wouldn't see the complaints you do now. I'm saying its the whole package together when people are pointing out "animu swordfighters" and why they feel same-y.
If I needed to pick another sword fighter, I would much rather prefer to pick one that can bring a different playstyle. The thing about anime/human sword fighters in this game and in the entire series, is that they generally have the same kind of playstyle. Cloud might have brought something different with his Limit Break, but at the end of the day, his fighting style is very much reminiscent of Marth (part of me wishes Cloud could use his summons and they weren't limited to Midgar stage, that would have changed his play and fighting styles to an extent, even if gameplay balance might be sacrificed in doing so).

I might be wrong, but I think, as however controversial it may be gameplay and meta-wise, a swordie that has a playstyle like Bayonetta and can oppress opponents on and offstage with reliable projectiles would bring a significantly different playstyle from the rest of the swordies in the series. Or maybe just a recipe for a Brawl Meta Knight situation.
 
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If I needed to pick another sword fighter, I would much rather prefer to pick one that can bring a different playstyle. The thing about anime/human sword fighters in this game and in the entire series, is that they generally have the same kind of playstyle. Cloud might have brought something different with his Limit Break, but at the end of the day, his fighting style is very much reminiscent of Marth (part of me wishes Cloud could use his summons and they weren't limited to Midgar stage, that would have changed his play and fighting styles to an extent, even if gameplay balance might be sacrificed in doing so).

I might be wrong, but I think, as however controversial it may be gameplay and meta-wise, a swordie that has a playstyle like Bayonetta and can oppress opponents on and offstage with reliable projectiles would bring a significantly different playstyle from the rest of the swordies in the series. Or maybe just a recipe for a Brawl Meta Knight situation.
If Erdrick is Brave I really hope that he has interesting projectile attacks and played like what you are describing rather than being more like the FE swordfighters.
 

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If I needed to pick another sword fighter, I would much rather prefer to pick one that can bring a different playstyle. The thing about anime/human sword fighters in this game and in the entire series, is that they generally have the same kind of playstyle. Cloud might have brought something different with his Limit Break, but at the end of the day, his fighting style is very much reminiscent of Marth (part of me wishes Cloud could use his summons and they weren't limited to Midgar stage, that would have changed his play and fighting styles to an extent, even if gameplay balance might be sacrificed in doing so).

I might be wrong, but I think, as however controversial it may be gameplay and meta-wise, a swordie that has a playstyle like Bayonetta and can oppress opponents on and offstage with reliable projectiles would bring a significantly different playstyle from the rest of the swordies in the series. Or maybe just a recipe for a Brawl Meta Knight situation.
I get where you're coming from, but unfortunately the datamined stats for Brave don't really make sense for a sword fighter. If they were applied to a swordfighter and it turned out to be Erdrick, they'd be the worst ones in the entire game.
 

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I get where you're coming from, but unfortunately the datamined stats for Brave don't really make sense for a sword fighter. If they were applied to a swordfighter and it turned out to be Erdrick, they'd be the worst ones in the entire game.
Well, PP's stats ended up changing drastically before its final release, so for all we know, those stats aren't final. As they stand right now, they don't fit how I'd imagine Erdrick, but they likely aren't the final stats.
 

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Well, PP's stats ended up changing drastically before its final release, so for all we know, those stats aren't final. As they stand right now, they don't fit how I'd imagine Erdrick, but they likely aren't the final stats.
How drastically were they changed and in what areas exactly? Because at least from my understanding, stuff like height is usually not one of them and you don't see such massive modifications to them that late into development.
 

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Well, PP's stats ended up changing drastically before its final release, so for all we know, those stats aren't final. As they stand right now, they don't fit how I'd imagine Erdrick, but they likely aren't the final stats.
The stat changes weren't dramatic changes, though. The overall playstyle of the character didn't change
 

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How drastically were they changed and in what areas exactly? Because at least from my understanding, stuff like height is usually not one of them and you don't see such massive modifications to them that late into development.
I believe multiple stats were, but I can't recall exactly which ones. You'd have to ask someone who's seen the datamines in recent memory for that, probably. That being said, we're talking in terms of play style here, not strictly the height stat.

The stat changes weren't dramatic changes, though. The overall playstyle of the character didn't change
Really? Because the one stat that I do remember being changed, the ground speed, was hugely changed. PP went from slow as molasses to the way it is today.
 
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I get where you're coming from, but unfortunately the datamined stats for Brave don't really make sense for a sword fighter. If they were applied to a swordfighter and it turned out to be Erdrick, they'd be the worst ones in the entire game.
Even though the idea and leak is out there, we have no way of telling if "Brave" is in fact Erdrick or another fighter. And of course, we have no way of telling when those stats were implemented or if they are final.
 

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I definitely believe I've seen Reggie go on record to say Joker stole the invitation, but I also don't think it means anything. If anything, it's probably a great joke they can use to mess with us. Nintendo loves to troll.

That being said, uh... can we get some tempers simmering down in here? It's feelin' kinda spicy. Let's look on the bright side: even if Erdrick is highly likely, we still don't know the other four DLC slots. Who knows what kind of exciting stuff will be there? Who knows what kind of surprises we might get?
Sorry, I had to correct that, because as much as you and many others are positive Erdrick is in, it ain't over until that fat lady sings, and I ain't seen any fat ladies singing in recent times. The dude has the same amount of evidence as most of his competition, but just because a couple of leakers who have little to base their claims on said so we have all assumed the worst. Hell, did everyone forget how Square is tight-lipped and hates leaks? Did we all forget that Erdrick being 'heard the most' could easily be leakbait to throw everyone off at the next reveal? The manz ain't in yet, so stop convincing yourself that he is.

Seriously, stop fretting so much about his inclusion: if he does get in, Nintendo made a huge mistake in terms of fan appeal and we will let them know, and if he doesn't then we don't have to worry about it. The more you convince yourself that he is in, the more it not only makes the wait for a reveal pure anguish, but if he is revealed it will jade your opinion of him even if he is a cool character.

Still though, just like the Corrin situation, I think fans should speak up even if we get a cool character out of the situation.

EDIT: Whoops, forgot my main point, which was that I really didn't think things were getting heated as much as we had people putting up the arguments of others and rather than properly debate others kinda just danced around with a silly face because they thought the argument was ridiculous and didn't need to take it seriously. I jumped on this because it's what ruined Papa's chat in leak speculation for nearly a month, and I'd hate to have that happen here.

You seem to be in touch with the thread though, so maybe we should offer additional conversation. I will do so, but if you are a big KH fan and haven't gotten all the endings of KH3 yet, DO NOT READ THE SPOILER!

So with the Secret Ending basically hinting that the next KH game/perhaps DLC will focus on other Square properties and make them into worlds to visit and specifically Verum Rex and The World Ends With You are shown AND that a port of KH3 to Switch may be in the works due to sales and requests, do you think these are signs that Sora might make it to Smash? What about Neku? It could be an advertisement for both KH and TWEWY, which would be crazy but I'm not throwing it out at all.
 
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I believe multiple stats were, but I can't recall exactly which ones. You'd have to ask someone who's seen the datamines in recent memory for that, probably. That being said, we're talking in terms of play style here, not strictly the height stat.


Really? Because the one stat that I do remember being changed, the ground speed, was hugely changed. PP went from slow as molasses to the way it is today.
The playtsyle of PP didn't change, though. PP's stats were plugged into Bowser Jr, and PP was a character with pretty goofy range. So, brave's stats and playstyle are unlikely to change dramatically, at the least
 

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Sorry, I had to correct that, because as much as you and many others are positive Erdrick is in, it over until that fat lady sings, and I ain't seen any fat ladies singing in recent times. The dude has the same amount of evidence as most of his competition, but just because a couple of leakers who have little to base their claims on said so we have all assumed the worst. Hell, did everyone forget how Square is tight-lipped and hates leaks? Did we all forget that Erdrick being 'heard the most' could easily be leakbait to throw everyone off at the next reveal? The manz ain't in yet, so stop convincing yourself that he is.

Seriously, stop fretting so much about his inclusion: if he does get in, Nintendo made a huge mistake in terms of fan appeal and we will let them know, and if he doesn't then we don't have to worry about it. The more you convince yourself that he is in, the more it not only makes the wait for a reveal pure anguish, but if he is revealed it will jade your opinion of him even if he is a cool character.

Still though, just like the Corrin situation, I think fans should speak up even if we get a cool character out of the situation.
Not gonna lie, you're really good at pep-talking me back into having better hopes, haha. I still think that he's coming, mostly because I want to protect myself from the hurt of hoping for/expecting someone else (especially Geno)... but I wish I were in a position where I could think, "Well, Geno's Mii costume was the only post-ballot one that wasn't promoted to playable, so it's probably him and Erdrick is leakbait."

That being said, though, it is super weird that Geno, the only post-ballot Mii outfit that didn't get upgraded to playable, is still not playable. At least, I'm talking in terms of the ones that were ballot-influenced to begin with (Geno's, K. Rool's, etc).
 
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Geno representing Fire Emblem is how he will get into Smash

Nintendo buys the rights to SMRPG from Square, saying they'll be Fire Emblem characters so that Square won't be interested in keeping everything because they can't get that sweet Mario moolah.

Nintendo then drops Geno and Mallow references in an FE game as their only appearances in the series, then continues to use all the SMRPG characters in Mario games.
 
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