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Gengar Support Thread

Thrillhouse-vh.

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Seeing how Gengar was one of the most requested Pokemon on our polls and has no thread, and I just plain like Gengar :p, I decided to make a thread specifically dedicated to him.

Gengar (Gangar)

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Current Pokemon Sprite

Series: Pokemon (Pocket Monsters)
- First Apperance(s): Red Version / Blue Version (Green Version)

I will post information on Gengar from his Wiki

General Info
Gengar (ゲンガー, Gengā?, Gangar in original Japanese language versions) are one of the 493 fictional species of Pokémon creatures from the multi-billion-dollar[1] Pokémon media franchise—a collection of video games, anime, manga, books, trading cards, and other media created by Satoshi Tajiri. The purpose of Gengar in the games, anime, and manga, as with all other Pokémon, is to battle both wild Pokémon—untamed creatures encountered while the player passes through various environments—and tamed Pokémon owned by Pokémon trainers.[2]

Gengar has an appearance evocative of a ghost or a spirit. It is a bipedal, purple entity with red eyes, big pointy ears, and it always wears an unsettling smile, which, along with stubby hands and legs, makes it look like a gremlin at times. Gengar also possesses a short tail and spikes on its back. Despite its somewhat rough outline, each individual Gengar has a consistent shape. The name is likely derived from "doppelganger. "The name Gengar refers to the species as a whole, as well as individual specimens in the games, anime and manga

Biological characteristics
Gengar often has a rather sinister personality, especially when in the wild. It inhabits remote mountainous locations and urban environments alike, being a dangerous Pokémon to encounter on either case. Fortunately, Gengar is a nocturnal Pokémon, so its attacks are limited to the hours of darkness.

Gengar tends to stalk its prospective prey, which includes human beings, and hide in their shadow. It is said that in this way, it has the opportunity to absorb the "vital force"/life of its victims. Gengar acts like a heat sink while doing this, so that its malevolent presence can be given away by a feeling of cold and a shivering sensation.

Another favorite pastime of Gengar is to mimic the shadows of people. A common prank is to take the shape of one's shadow and run past him, giving him the impression that his shadow has come alive and overtaken him. Gengar especially loves to frighten people that way during the nights of a full moon.

Role in Video Games
Gengar is not found in the wild. Its previous evolution, Haunter, can be found in all the games listed above (Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, FireRed, and LeafGreen). Gengar can only be obtained by trading a Haunter over to another game cart. The availability of Gengar depends on the player's ability to find and trade with another person with a Pokémon game.

In the Nintendo DS games, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, however, Gengar became available in the wild. When the player has inserted Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed, LeafGreen or Emerald into the bottom slot of the Nintendo DS, Gengar can be found as a wild Pokémon in the Forest Mansion.

Gengar has extremely high speed and special attack, but its offense, Hit Points and defenses are low for a stage two Pokémon. Its Ghost/Poison-type combination, combined with its Levitate ability, grants it immunity to three attack types and resistance to many more. However, its Poison-type makes it vulnurable to Psychic-types, which ironically makes it weak to the one type it is supposed to be strong against.

Gengar's combination of high speed and special attack statistics, paired with its many type immunities and resistances and wide selection of available attacks, makes it a very powerful Pokémon in player-vs.-player competition. These advantages are offset by exceedingly low physical defense, however, so the most common defense against Gengar is simply an effective physical attack to which it is not immune.

In the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series for both Nintendo GBA and DS, a Gengar is the leader of the rival rescue team commonly known as the Team Meanies. The Gengar at the beginning plays as a naughty liar who is trying to exile the protagonist of the game from his/her rescue team by falsely accusing him/her as the cause for the natural disasters in the pokemon world. It also claimed the protagonist as the bad human from the Ninetails Legend, although it isn't revealed during the first half of the story why it is commiting these evil schemes. Gengar shows who's boss around here in this game, along with Alakazam and Charizard.

Gengar also appears in the Fiore Temple in Pokemon Ranger and can abduct the Ranger's Pokemon should it come in contact with them and he/she fails to protect it.

Gengar also appears as a boss character in Pokemon Pinball.

Gengar also has important roles in Manga and anime, but because that has no say for Smash anyway, I will leave it out.

Stats
Height: 3/5
Weight: 4/5
Speed: 2/5
Power: 3.5/5
Gravity: 2/5 (floaty character)


Moveset
This moveset is not fully perfect. If you have any ideas, just post them

B- Shadow Ball- Because Mewtwo will most likely be remade if he is in, there are odds that he won't have shadow Ball anymore. Seeing as how it is a ghot-type attack, give it to Gengar with an upgrade. Faster and less Wavy while in air, if not just more powerful.

HOWEVER, in case Mewtwo does keep Shadow Ball, give Gengar his one of the Ghost-types most iconic moves;

B - Lick - Gengar licks anyone in front of him. They can be dazed if too close (like jiggly's Rest attack)

Foward/Back B -Spite- Chargable. Sends out a weird flashy-diamond looking thin (range depends on how much you charge). If it hits, it temporarily makes the other player slower and weaker (less you charge, longer it lasts).

Up B- Dark Pulse - A dark pulse surrounds Gengar, catching anyone who comes near in a fast-hitting combo. While he does this, he floats up. Last for a second or two.

Down B - Dark Punch - Gengar hops in the air and his fist glows, then strikes the ground with a tough punch. Pressing B at the right time will have him do an uppercut that sends them up a little bit. Pressing B the right time for a third time will have him do a straight punch in the air, sending opponents foward.

Super Smash Attack - Dream Eater - Gengar's staple move, shown on most every media he is in (card, anime, manga, etc.) I really don't have any good ideas for this. I was thinking mass damage to all with a random effect or daze afterwards, but I don't think that is very good. Any ideas would be really appreciated.

Other ideas for moves would be nice.

Stage - Lavander Town: Ghost Tower - takes place in Lavander town's ghost tower. A tall, mostly vertical stage with Ghastly's, Haunter's, and Cubones as hazards.

Symbol- Pokeball

Kirby Hat- Gengar spikes and ears

Well, there you have it. Creative criticism is prefered on both grounds for him being in or out (most likely the latter IMO), but please, no "gengar is stupid he suck u r stoopid" spam crap, 'teh internets' as enough stupidity already.
 

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Wow, that's a lot of background info you got there. And nice work with the movset too. But isn't the move called Dark punch. Also, if Gengar is a ghost, how can we hit him? Otherwise I'm enjoying this moveset, and Gengar seems very worthy for Brawl.
 

Icetrash

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Yeh wont "normal" attacks not hit him? Like if someone kicked him it would just go through him. And if thats the case and they make it that Gengar can be hit by punchs and kicks that would ruin his character.

But other then that flaw I think he'd be great.
 

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Hmm....Gengar huh, I don't see why he shouldn't get an opportunity to show his show off his skills in Brawl. Yeah, I guess I support him.
 

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And nice work with the movset too. But isn't the move called Dark punch.
Typo on my part. Thanks for catching that.

Also, if Gengar is a ghost, how can we hit him?
Hmm... escaped my mind. But then again, when Link or Marth or Pit attack with swords, do they cut people in half? When Fox fires a laser, does it drill through opponents heads to the other side? I think smash would overlook that part.

Otherwise I'm enjoying this moveset, and Gengar seems very worthy for Brawl.
Thanks :)
 

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Then again if you make his shield unique, maybe he could turn invisible and others go right through him.And If its not too much too ask what do you think of my Pokemon choice\/.
 

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gengar could be pretty cool...... (thinks of cons of Gengar)
yeah, gengar could be unique, cool and it is recognisable and popular. the only thing holding it back is significance, but it isnt THAT low. i think it had a pretty significant role in pokemon mystery dungeon, and there are numerous ghost leaders/elite 4 members that use gengar as their main pokemon.
 

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SOMETHING YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN:

Final Smash: Dream Eater. Well actually its more like:
1. Sleep move (cant remember them from pokemon, its been a while)
2. Dream Eater
3. Psychic

Gengar grins, and the stage turns darker. Gengar releases purply ghost coloured ghost stuff all over the stage (like a gas) and all opponents fall asleep when it hits them (or for want of a better word, when they inhale it). Players damage slowly increases, while purple stuff gets sucked out of them going into gengar. The opponents look as if their shields have been broken (you know, that drunk, swaying thing). Gengar gets healed by the amount he sucks out. I assume the damage per player would be around 50% at max. Gengar puffs out his chest, yells "Gengar!" and all players go flying as if they have been hit by Smash attacks (going away from where Gengar is). They also turn that purple colour that you do if you get hit by Mewtwo or Ganondorf. If a player is shielding or dodging, the gas stuff cant hit them, and therefore they dont fall asleep, therefore not getting hit by dream eater. Although, if theyre not careful, they can STILL get hit by Psychic. The gas doesnt decrease the size of the shields, like physical attacks.
Also, i think that if any character is asleep or has hits shield broken while Gengar executes his Final Smash, The move should instantly smash them off the stage, like a homerun bat. Also, if JigglyPuff is using rest while this happens, it should take more damage and more knockback. It's these little things that make a farfetched move sould like a REAL game move.



I really only got into 1st and 2nd stage pokemon, so i thought (at first) Dragonite would be the most awesomest (just wanted to use the word) choice, because hes a heavier character and just by looking at his picture you can think of moves for him (i cant help looking at the picture and imagining him smashing his tail down infront of him for a Down Smash).

Then i thought that that would be pushing the amount of characters who have some link to flying or floating, since there seem to be an increasing amount (meta, pit, etc). Also, he looks like he'd either be pretty broken, or super slow bottom tier like bowzer...so i think Gengar is the best choice now.

And i agree about the realisticness of gengar not getting hit by normal attacks. Gengar shouldnt get hit, link and marth should cut people in two, and fox and falcos lasers should bore through people and make them explode.
:p


*i cant believe how long my posts are...i just cant help it....
 

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That would be an awesome FS
Yeah, I agree, nice backround.
I think Gengar has a shot at it
cause deoxys is an ASSIST! :)
 

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He just might end up as a Pokeball creature. Still he's a better candidate than most of the Pokemon suggestions I've seen and is one of the most popular Pokemon back in the R/B/Y days.

Having a ghost is better than having baby electric rats.
 

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Gengar...oh my...


I think I'd rather see a different, more popular pokemon take the stage than Gengar..Again, not straying out of the original 151 (but that's just my opinion), there are many more I'd like seeing.
A big problem, also, is that he's purple. So then we'd have Mewtwo (purpley-pink), Jigglypuff (pink), and Gengar (purple) overwhelming the pokemon representation. It may seem ridiculous, but it is simple; not enough colour variety.
 

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Even though Gengar is the most kickass Poke'mon made, I agree w/Wilderman: There are enough Poke'mon in the game already. It kind of stifles the variety a bit, IMO. And Jaseman's idea for Dream Eater (best Poke move ever) is exactly what I was thinking. 50% would be a bit much, IMO, but besides that, it'd be a pretty kickass move to see in the game...
 

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...You're all kidding right?
Gengar? He wouldn't work.
I base that on statistics that show that 96 percent of Poke'mon wouldn
't work. true story.
 

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Good move set and everything, just let me point out three things:

1.Gengar is a lighter pokemon and should have lower weight.
2.The move is called shadow punch not dark punch.
3.For the final smash (Dream eater) it should put everyone to sleep, you rack up a lot of damage on each character, you restore all the health you rack up on players.
 

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Gengar should be faster, you said he's fast yourself. But other than that, Gengar for Brawl!
(But not before Mewtwo, Scyther/Scizor or Marowak :p)
 

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*Gengar’s grab range is longer than a normal character’s as he grabs out with his tounge, and drags the opponent to him. (But he uses his hands to hold them afterwards)*

Neutral B: Gengar uses a dark pulse, in which a short ranged burst of energy surround him. The move’s range is very small, being around the size of Donkey Kong’s down B. It can hit opponents on all around, and has very good knock back. It is also fairly quick, with the only opening animation being Gengar raising his hands into the air.

Forward B: Gengar throws a spiraling confuse ray, which will daze a opponent, if it hits them. The ray takes the form of a shiny grey ball, which spirals forward. The spiral is fairly large, going from the ground to around the height of Mewtwo, while the ball is only the size of a fireball. The speed is hampered by this spiral, but it still moves fast.

Up B: Gengar’s body expands like a balloon, tops, and reappears several paces overhead. The initial expanding takes a half second, and the small explosion of the popping can deal damage. Gengar’s teleporting range can be directed.

Down B: Gengar melts into the ground, and then appears behind the opponent, coming out of the ground. The pop out takes only a little bit, so it is a good move to close the distance fast, although the initial melting take awhile. If Gengar uses the move in air, he will simply fall down very fast as a puddle of purple goo, and when he hits the ground, he’ll then appear in the opponent’s shadow. Thus, if it used in the air, Gengar will pretty much knock himself out. If used against more than one opponent, Gengar will simply move to the closest one.

Final Smash: Once Gengar gains a smash ball, he will glow with a dark purple aura. When the player presses the A button, Gengar will face the screen, and make a ghoulish laugh, that will send out dark sound waves all around him. The range of the sound waves are about half the size of the Yoshi’s Story stage from SSBM (Thus if Gengar were in the middle, the sheik would reach both sides. If the opponent is hit by these sound waves, they will fall to sleep, and then several ghost like spirits will manifest over them, and explode, while they are defenseless. The ghost’s explosions are a little more powerful than a standard Bomb-Omb. Even if a player got away from the sleeping waves, if they come near another person with a bomb, it will hurt them too. Gengar can’t be hurt when using this attack, but if he is delayed from starting it up in the first place for 6 seconds, he will lose it.
 

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I like all your ideas, 'cept for the Final Smash; I think Dream Eater would work better. A little stronger than a Bob-om for every char caught in it would be way to powerful, IMO. Also, idk if you were thinking this already for the upB, but he would have multiples of himself appear, but obviously the one direction you chose would be the real one, leaving the opponent to guess b/t the fakes...(Kage Bushuun, anyone?)
 

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I like all your ideas, 'cept for the Final Smash; I think Dream Eater would work better. A little stronger than a Bob-om for every char caught in it would be way to powerful, IMO. Also, idk if you were thinking this already for the upB, but he would have multiples of himself appear, but obviously the one direction you chose would be the real one, leaving the opponent to guess b/t the fakes...(Kage Bushuun, anyone?)
It's a Final Smash, it's supposed to be powrful.

And I wasn't thinking of that at all. It's just Gengar blowing up and popping like balloon, and then teleporting upwards. o_o
 

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Gengar is my all time fav so you'd see why I'd want him in Brawl. The similarities to Mewtwo might lower his chances however. Still, he has a better chance than others, appearing as the antagonist in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. I disagree with the movesets however. Here's one that I think would suit Gengar best:

Neutral B: Night Shade

Yeah, I know Shdaow Ball is Gengar's main move, but that's taken by Mewtwo. Even if Mewtwo had a different move, people would still think Gengar's shadow ball is copied from Mewtwo in Melee.

Anyway, Night Shade works just as well, being one of Gengar's main moves. You've all seen Gengar's night shade in the anime right? Gengar emits dark energy in the form of what looks like lightning bolts (only black or dark purple). Gengar can control the trajectory of this attack by first pushing the b button and then controlling where it goes with the control stick. I guess this could also be his side + b attack, seeing as it is controlled similarly to Sheik's side + b.

If his Side B were to be Night Shade, his alternate Neutral B attack would be Dark Pulse.

Gengar emits a dark aura around him that that is then released as it looks in Diamond and Pearl. When you use it in the games, it kind of looks like the energy is released from their feet and is then sent onward to the enemy. this would hit enemies on both sides but would only hit them if they were on the ground. Given that this would only work on the ground, the knockback would be pretty powerful.

Side B: Either Night Shade or Lick

Night Shade seems like a good choice. Lick however, is another good choice. Gengar sends out his tongue to lick the opponent, paralyzing them for a short time. Gengar can also use the tongue as a weapon if B is held down, and you would be able to control it with the control stick.

Down B: Dark Pulse or Destiny Bond

Dark Pulse would be a good down special if it weren't Gengar's neutral special. Destiny Bond would also work though. In the games, Destiny Bond brings down anyone who faints Gengar. In Brawl it would work differently. When Gengar uses this attack, the opponent gets however much damage Gengar receives. Gengar doesn't flinch while receiving damage, but he does receive the damage. This is a sacrificial move, which Gengar seems to have a lot of, curse being one of them. I think Destiny Bond could work, but I'm not sure how it'd look.

Up B: Feint Attack

I realize Gengar doesn't learn Feint attack in any of the games. But that would be the only real name to call this attack.

Gengar fades upwards into the background and then reappears downwards wherever you tilt the control stick. So he kind of floats upwards while fading and then he fades downwards while reappearing. I realize we have plenty of teleporting up specials, but not having Gengar fade into the background and then reappear like he constantly does in the anime would be a crime. It's one of those moves that makes him unique. Maybe they could do more with this move, but I'm not sure what else they could do.

Anyway, that's my moveset. Gengar would be an awesome character and I'd love to see him playable.
 
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