Game Queue

[Xivii]

We used to have a game queue, but we removed it because it stalled and we were running low on players. Now with an influx of players, it may be beneficial to have one again. What say the masses: would you prefer a sign-up queue or would you like to keep our free market system where anyone can post a sign-ups thread whenever?

 

[Dooplissity]

free market, imo - an issue with a lot of sites that do queuing is that they hit a stall when the games in signups are bad, not because of lack of playerbase

i'm jaded and cynical but with an influx of new players I worry about hitting that moment because all our setups are ****ty, and I think having the level of filtering required to stop our setups from being ****ty is a step too far

 

[Xivii]

One way around that would be for a time limit that a game can be in sign-ups for. If it doesn't fill by the limit, the next game goes up and the host can choose to reenter if they like.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I think we're all polite people and can probably keep doing the free market format for sign ups. Maybe people can say in the social thread if they plan on posting a signup in a few days in advanced to avoid two people wanting to post signups too close together? With our current size I think a queue could cause more problems than it would solve.

 

[Xivii]

EBWOP: solve more problems than it would cause

 

[giraffelasergun]

Ah fixed it, whoopsie daisies.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I think we could do with a thread to keep track of who is wanting to host and who is ready to host, without it necessarily being a queue

 

[Xivii]

That sounds like a good idea!

 

[#HBC | Kary]

for example I am still ready to host completely vanilla mafia (closed setup for 9-12) that didn't fill back in december. I'm not in a burning hurry to run it but it might be nice at some point.

what I dislike is the free market kinda rewarding whoever is the fastest to put their thread up.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

the problem with the queue is exactly as doops says. but the problem with the free market is that it kinda invites conflict between hosts and it can be confusing for players signing up, they might be priced into signing up to multiple games just because they don't know which one is going to start first.

free market with weekly ranked-choice voting for signups? now you're just going overboard, Kary

damn now I'm blabbermouthing on the forums, I blame the discord

 

[Dooplissity]

One way around that would be for a time limit that a game can be in sign-ups for. If it doesn't fill by the limit, the next game goes up and the host can choose to reenter if they like.

That puts artificial pressure for smaller games, or for hosts to shrink games just before deadline to run. Larger, harder to fill games can currently take the time they need.

 

[Dooplissity]

for example I am still ready to host completely vanilla mafia (closed setup for 9-12) that didn't fill back in december. I'm not in a burning hurry to run it but it might be nice at some point.

what I dislike is the free market kinda rewarding whoever is the fastest to put their thread up.

It only does this because we have a weird cultural thing where it's "nice" to let other games go even though I think that's actually detrimental overall.
I actually think an official step towards letting whoever post signups helps get rid of that.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm in favor of a queue. I think having a queue gave us expectations of good things to come, which also bred hype, and activity, and a culture. I think the lack of this may have helped to kill Dgames, even though it was in good intention. I think we should start it up again now that we are building our community back up.

 

[bessie]

I think we could do with a thread to keep track of who is wanting to host and who is ready to host, without it necessarily being a queue

I like this idea if we don't have a queue.

 

[somitomi]

for example I am still ready to host completely vanilla mafia (closed setup for 9-12) that didn't fill back in december. I'm not in a burning hurry to run it but it might be nice at some point.

what I dislike is the free market kinda rewarding whoever is the fastest to put their thread up.

I would like a vanilla game to get me back into action, but then I just signed up for something, didn't I.

I like this idea if we don't have a queue.

Me too. I don't really see the benefit of an actual queue, but then I've never been on a site with an overabundance of games...

 

[bessie]

Me too. I don't really see the benefit of an actual queue, but then I've never been on a site with an overabundance of games...

somi you need to look beyond the actual to the possible.

 

[Chaco]

Queue used to be like 20-30 deep. If it gets to that point, you definitely need one cause everyone wants to try to make a game at some point. I’ve hosted only a handful of times, but had numerous set ups finished. But then again, everybody was inviting everybody to play mafia. So queue moved decently fast.

 

[osieorb18]

the problem with the queue is exactly as doops says. but the problem with the free market is that it kinda invites conflict between hosts and it can be confusing for players signing up, they might be priced into signing up to multiple games just because they don't know which one is going to start first.

free market with weekly ranked-choice voting for signups? now you're just going overboard, Kary

damn now I'm blabbermouthing on the forums, I blame the discord

Is multi-tabling a bad thing?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

An underrated aspect of our queue was that you had to get your setup approved by one of our mods before your game could be added to it. This meant that you could assume that the games in the queue were held to a solid standard and you didn’t have the problem of bad setups clogging up the queue like on other sites.

Even if you don’t bring back the queue I think having some sort of enforced peer review system would go a long way because you know the game you’re singing up for won’t be too janky

 

[Chaco]

What’s the culture around here support nowadays? Like usually one game running at a time? Standard games like open set ups or closed PR laden themed games? Size of games?

 

[Xivii]

Generally one game at a time. 13 players or fewer. Most recently have been non-theme/theme-light and standard. I don't think there's been an issue with messy setups.

 

[Xivii]

I believe free market maintains its position as the community choice. I'll update this thread or the directory thread to make a sort of "interested in hosting" list.

 

[osieorb18]

To address #HBC | Dark Horse 's point, why not just mandate a reviewer from a preset list? Or even say "For your first X games, you have to have at least one reviewer, who has to be from this preset list. After that point, you may be added to that list if you co-review a game successfully."

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

To address #HBC | Dark Horse 's point, why not just mandate a reviewer from a preset list?

Something like this was what I had in mind lol.

Just because there haven’t been issues with bad setups yet doesn’t mean there won’t be any in the future. Especially because without reviews for closed setups it’s too easy for people to not realize the setup is broken until they’re actually in the game

 

[Xivii]

Fair.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Is multi-tabling a bad thing?

언제 제가 그 말 했어요? 한 주 후에 저를 물어보는데 질문이 관련 별로 없는 것 같아요

If someone signs up for multiple games with the intention of not playing some of them it begins to mess with signups.

 

[Chaco]

Who is running a game after UPs is finished? Or ha anyone stepped forward to do so?

not asking for me. I haven’t made a set up in years, but if I start playing regularly again, I might venture out.

 

[Xivii]

#HBC | Kary are you ready?
Also bessie any idea when Madge will be ready?

 

[bessie]

Sabrar how is the game coming along? Last I heard from Madge she was really busy.

 

[Sabrar]

We've bounced a few ideas around but nothing solid yet.

 

[osieorb18]

I have a setup in the works but it's waiting on UtopianPoyzin to finish reviewing it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

#HBC | Kary are you ready?

I went to the trouble of writing role pms so yes

wouldn't hurt to get a co-host though

 

[Pokechu]

The poll closed on the 30th. Would you folks like me to reopen it? Don't be shy Embarrass

 

[Xivii]

Nah it's good, but there is something else I could use your help with

 

[Pokechu]

Nah it's good, but there is something else I could use your help with

Greetings, Xivii

Whatever could it be? I would be happy to make your acquaintance!

Best,

Pokechu

 

[Chaco]

Has anyone thought of starting newbie games back up? 5 new players and two vets in a small open so that they’re introduced in a new environment where they can learn without being fed to the wolves.

 

[osieorb18]

5 "New Players" Town Tracker
2 "Veterans" Mafia PGO

gogogo

 

[Chaco]

1 goon and 1 Busdriver

 

[Chaco]

Is anyone else obsessed with cult opens? It’s been a long time and this one would be a blast to watch unfold.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=CultD3

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Is anyone else obsessed with cult opens? It’s been a long time and this one would be a blast to watch unfold.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=CultD3

I played with that setup on MS, pretty fun, but cults are very niche and requires a completely different playstyle from town because you need to take culted townies into account