Zano
Smash Master
Stating facts is trolling? Ok, w/e. This MU is -2, any other marth will tell you this if they know they MU, but you for some ****ing reason think your character is better at this MU than it really is and got overly defensive. You're just as much a random as me, so what gives you the right to get all pissy over your character being dissed when you haven't done anything to prove me wrong, while I on the other hand, went out and actually learned this MU a bit and saw drastic changes.
You even contradict yourself. How is a MU where you have no clear advantage, no way to shut him down, and no perfect move merely a -1? You can win if you bait me? Really? That's it? You're basically saying if the Marth messes up, you can beat him, and that isn't how MUs are decided. Marth has an answer for pretty much ANYTHING you can do.
bair? I can just sdi or DS that
dair? utilt, uair, or even jump up counter.
when you're recovering? Grab the ledge, normal get up and utilt is guaranteed and will kill super early.
any grounded approach at all? dtilt beats them all
iirc, you can't even do anything to marth off a down throw.
Fair is like your only move that marth should be scared of, but even then, it's like, we know that's your only kill option. As long as we aren't playing stupid your smashes shouldn't hit us almost ever, unless we grossly mis-space dancing blade and for some reason continue onto the 3rd or 4th hit on shield.
Yeah this match up isn't impossible, but gnw has to be playing pretty much spot on to even have a chance against a marth that just knows how to react in most situations. At highest level, it's -2, I might be willing to accept at lower levels of play it's -1, but that's ****ing stupid to consider and not accurate at all.
There's a reason no other Marths really cared to come tell you all this, because it's already accurately placed in the MU chart as -2, and that's how it will stay, because there's nothing any of you have done that proves otherwise.
You even contradict yourself. How is a MU where you have no clear advantage, no way to shut him down, and no perfect move merely a -1? You can win if you bait me? Really? That's it? You're basically saying if the Marth messes up, you can beat him, and that isn't how MUs are decided. Marth has an answer for pretty much ANYTHING you can do.
bair? I can just sdi or DS that
dair? utilt, uair, or even jump up counter.
when you're recovering? Grab the ledge, normal get up and utilt is guaranteed and will kill super early.
any grounded approach at all? dtilt beats them all
iirc, you can't even do anything to marth off a down throw.
Fair is like your only move that marth should be scared of, but even then, it's like, we know that's your only kill option. As long as we aren't playing stupid your smashes shouldn't hit us almost ever, unless we grossly mis-space dancing blade and for some reason continue onto the 3rd or 4th hit on shield.
Yeah this match up isn't impossible, but gnw has to be playing pretty much spot on to even have a chance against a marth that just knows how to react in most situations. At highest level, it's -2, I might be willing to accept at lower levels of play it's -1, but that's ****ing stupid to consider and not accurate at all.
There's a reason no other Marths really cared to come tell you all this, because it's already accurately placed in the MU chart as -2, and that's how it will stay, because there's nothing any of you have done that proves otherwise.
is below him or that if you miss an up-b its the freest punish in the game. And you continue to go and say that no 