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Friends mourn teenager killed in New Jersey party bus accident
- Thread starter Morin0
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Vinylic.
Woke?
That is horrifying. What's makes me cringe even more is that victim has the same last name as mines, which made me hold my neck.
Damn, I feel sorry for them.
Damn, I feel sorry for them.
I don't know whether to feel bad, or to sigh at the fact that this was a lesson learned the hard way.
A bit of both. Mostly feeling bad, since his family, friends, etc are left to mourn because of a dumb decision :/
A bit of both. Mostly feeling bad, since his family, friends, etc are left to mourn because of a dumb decision :/
Can't say I feel all that upset about this, honestly.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Wouldn't opening the window be the first solution to the bus being too hot?
Unless the windows on those buses are locked or something...
Unless the windows on those buses are locked or something...
Morin0
Smash Lord
Some articles say he was decapitated (which results in an instantaneous death I imagine) and some don't go too much into detail except that his injuries were too severe and was pronounced dead at the hospital.
I think it's kind of sad. Poor guy. I imagine it must of felt really painful and I think it's one of the worst ways to go. But, he should've known better about sticking limbs/body parts outside of a moving vehicle.
I think it's kind of sad. Poor guy. I imagine it must of felt really painful and I think it's one of the worst ways to go. But, he should've known better about sticking limbs/body parts outside of a moving vehicle.
if he was decapitated (and it would only make sense) i doubt he was in all that much pain for long
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Obviously, there will be a lot more information to come out later, but from what I've read...well I do have mixed emotions about it.
We don't know if he stuck his head out for that one second, and they happened to be going into a tunnel, and therefore his life ended right there. Or maybe his head was out for a prolonged period of time, and for some reason he did not see the tunnel coming. I would feel much more sympathetic towards the first assumption, even though it was stated to not open the hatch and stick your head out by the bus team.
I mean, what are you supposed to do? Kids will be kids. Asking all of them to listen to authority in a party environment is rather hard unless that authority makes its presence known. When I was in college, or even during Prom back in High School, kids would stick their heads out the sun roof all the time.
We don't know if he stuck his head out for that one second, and they happened to be going into a tunnel, and therefore his life ended right there. Or maybe his head was out for a prolonged period of time, and for some reason he did not see the tunnel coming. I would feel much more sympathetic towards the first assumption, even though it was stated to not open the hatch and stick your head out by the bus team.
I mean, what are you supposed to do? Kids will be kids. Asking all of them to listen to authority in a party environment is rather hard unless that authority makes its presence known. When I was in college, or even during Prom back in High School, kids would stick their heads out the sun roof all the time.
Veetaak
Smash Lord
Such a horrible way to die
GunmasterLombardi
Smash Champion
Not appropriate
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
A person's death isn't funny.
wtf? what's up with all the ridiculous censorship?
I don't know, actually. I would have warned him to lay it off a bit, but I guess John thought it was too bad to even keep on here. Oh well, I guess.
Edit: Looking at edit report shows that it was spam (imo). No need to worry about censorship.
Everyone move on, etc, don't continue this discussion.
Anyway, this is pretty sad. You would think that they could have locked the top window or something; then this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
Edit: Looking at edit report shows that it was spam (imo). No need to worry about censorship.
Everyone move on, etc, don't continue this discussion.
Anyway, this is pretty sad. You would think that they could have locked the top window or something; then this tragedy wouldn't have happened.
I think it's hilarious.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
What the kid did was stupid, but I'm not going to just laugh at his death.
Morin0
Smash Lord
_Keno_
Smash Lord
If you dont learn to laugh you will just be depressed all the time.
But yeah, decapitation of a rich popular kid from a double decker party bus sunroof on the way to just one in a series of sweet 16 parties isn't a little absurd? Absurdity is funny.
Morin0
Smash Lord
Oh, alright. So depending on the circumstances, death can be funny. "Rich and popular kid decapitated on way to sweet 16 party" = funny
Poor, unpopular kid on way to school is shot and killed in a drive by shooting = not funny
Gotcha.
Poor, unpopular kid on way to school is shot and killed in a drive by shooting = not funny
Gotcha.
I'm with Morino and Master Xanthan. I really don't see what's funny about this.
Learning to laugh is one thing, laughing at the decapitation of a teenager is quite something else.
Was the kid being an idiot who should have had the common sense not to do what he did or, barring that, listened to the guard's repeated warnings? Absolutely. Did he bring it on himself? Of course. Should he have been punished, disciplined, or taught a lesson? Yes. But there is something seriously wrong with those who say he "deserved" to be gruesomely killed, and it is certainly not something I would, could, or want to laugh at.
Learning to laugh is one thing, laughing at the decapitation of a teenager is quite something else.
Was the kid being an idiot who should have had the common sense not to do what he did or, barring that, listened to the guard's repeated warnings? Absolutely. Did he bring it on himself? Of course. Should he have been punished, disciplined, or taught a lesson? Yes. But there is something seriously wrong with those who say he "deserved" to be gruesomely killed, and it is certainly not something I would, could, or want to laugh at.
GunmasterLombardi
Smash Champion
It's stuff like this that I ACTUALLY find humorous because of how disgustingly stupid it is. I couldn't believe this happened at first.
This was a death wish. Sucked to be him for not having a brain.
This was a death wish. Sucked to be him for not having a brain.
I don't think he "deserved" it, it's not his fault he was stupid. I honestly do think there is humor to be found in most situations and corners of life. I don't mean it in a malicious way. If someone from this person's family or a friend were to be posting here I would feel very bad for what I said indeed. But I don't think death is some sacred cow that can't be joked about over the cold barriers of media. Sometimes people die in humorous scenarios or under humorous contexts.
also, I mostly posted that "hilarious" comment to be a little flammatory because I originally thought that Xanthan's comment about death not being something to laugh at was edited in by john2k4.
It's not THAT funny of a death to be honest...it's just dumb. However, I stand by my position that I don't see the use in projecting the image of grief to other third parties, over some person you've never met who did a stupid dangerous thing and died from it. Just seems like a meager vie to "keep up appearances" rather than genuine despair.
there's something that makes me uncomfortable about public/social grieving that I really find hard to articulate.
also, I mostly posted that "hilarious" comment to be a little flammatory because I originally thought that Xanthan's comment about death not being something to laugh at was edited in by john2k4.
It's not THAT funny of a death to be honest...it's just dumb. However, I stand by my position that I don't see the use in projecting the image of grief to other third parties, over some person you've never met who did a stupid dangerous thing and died from it. Just seems like a meager vie to "keep up appearances" rather than genuine despair.
there's something that makes me uncomfortable about public/social grieving that I really find hard to articulate.
Morin0
Smash Lord
See, that's what I was going to say earlier. It's hard to feel sympathy for the death of someone you don't know and even moreso in this situation. I do not personally know the kid in the bus accident, but I do sympathize to a certain extent. However, I'm not, you know, crying my eyes out over this and I'm sure it's the same for you.
I just got kind of taken back by the fact that someone thinks it's completely funny -- no sympathy at all. And yes, almost everything can be funny in a certain light. But then we get into this whole morality and etiquette deal and you've already made your stance that death shouldn't be a sacred cow that can't be seen as humorous.
As for the third parties, I did not post this to +1 my appearance. I just thought the circumstances surrounding this death were interesting so that's why I posted it. I did not post this so we can all grief over his death, though it's expected for some people to do so I guess. Anyways, what I've said in this thread is genuine but that's just me.
Edit: I can relate with your edit
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Serious question...have you, or anyone you cared for experienced something painful, tragic, or just a flat out something negative, and laughed about it? Or did you rationalize to find it not funny, while perhaps someone with a similar mentality as you found it funny, simple because he or she assumed you or a friend were being "stupid" or "careless" etc.?
Point is, we all do stupid stuff all the time. Some have more consequences than others. We can choose to laugh at some, more than others...especially if the consequences aren't so heavy. However, when it comes to death, I think we should take a seat back and not just point and laugh, because we find it "disgustingly stupid".
I wonder how you categorize a person to "having a brain". Would it have mattered if he were a straight A student? What if he volunteered at soup kitchens, had a medal for saving a life, and just made this one mistake? Do you still say he doesn't have a brain? I'm not saying he is all these things, and maybe he was a rich spoiled kid, but I find it sad how you assume the worst of people just by the little information we've been given.
Morin0
Smash Lord
That's funny that you mention that (and I forgot to touch on this earlier) because I don't recall the article mentioning he was rich. Maybe I'm just being forgetful right now but where did you guys see that the article mentions he was rich? Better yet, why would the article mention whether he's rich or not? Lol.
_Keno_
Smash Lord
The fact that he was going to a series of sweet 16 parties in gargantuan party buses, also incredibly popular people at a school of apparently other rich people who can afford party buses are generally rich.That's funny that you mention that (and I forgot to touch on this earlier) because I don't recall the article mentioning he was rich. Maybe I'm just being forgetful right now but where did you guys see that the article mentions he was rich? Better yet, why would the article mention whether he's rich or not? Lol.
And I never said he deserved it (I know you may not be talking to me), but I still thing absurd happenings are funny. If it were a side-plot in a comical movie you would probably laugh at the ridiculousness.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
I don't think you should be thinking about it that way. Yes we laugh at things depending on the source of medium. A comedian on stage talking about airport security is funnier compared to reading or experiencing it in real life. The same could be applied to your "side-plot" example. One is reality, the other isn't.
_Keno_
Smash Lord
Unless you have an incredible sense of empathy, this realistically has about as much effect on you as if you heard it in a comedy. Thinking it's entertaining or depressing doesn't matter at all unless you have a connection with what happened. You could call me immoral for depersonalizing it if you want, but that's just my response to the bulk of violent or nasty stories i hear.
And why do you think the news source even posted this? Was it because it's urgent news or because it's an interesting story?
In either case, it doesn't affect us in the least. There isn't as much of a difference as you seem to imply, unless you personally know the people involved. A gruesome news story like this occupies a very similar space as a scene in a movie, especially when we don't know these people at all. They're just names and descriptions in an article.
Vinylic.
Woke?
I do not care if it is funny to you or not. Just saying it is funny about a certain person's death is rude and just showing disrespect to his family and friends, even if you say sorry and no offense afterwards. And that is the general summary.
Also, don't relate this to a goddamn movie scene. That is just too stupid to comprehend with reality.
Also, don't relate this to a goddamn movie scene. That is just too stupid to comprehend with reality.
Are the family and friends here posting on SWF?
edit: goddamnit, I can't find the ending to Speed on youtube. that would've been a perfect one to post in this conversation.
edit: goddamnit, I can't find the ending to Speed on youtube. that would've been a perfect one to post in this conversation.
Vinylic.
Woke?
No, but I'm here. And I'm stating that it is simply rude (and disrespectful).
This isn't Martin Luther King Jr here.
Does someone simply dying automatically command respect? Why? I hope you were admonishing all the people who celebrated Bin Laden's killing as well, Vinyl.
Does someone simply dying automatically command respect? Why? I hope you were admonishing all the people who celebrated Bin Laden's killing as well, Vinyl.
Vinylic.
Woke?
It can depend. For the kid who died, I give the family my condolences. For bin laden, I don't really care. It's different.
Famous or not, death comes in many ways with different affections, reactions, and responses.
Some of the responses for the death of daniel, which were rude, is not cool.
But have it your way all you like, just be sure that you'll be given a negative
response back and possibly even recieve an infraction here when you cross the line.
Famous or not, death comes in many ways with different affections, reactions, and responses.
Some of the responses for the death of daniel, which were rude, is not cool.
But have it your way all you like, just be sure that you'll be given a negative
response back and possibly even recieve an infraction here when you cross the line.
GunmasterLombardi
Smash Champion
All of my grandparents have passed via old age. It wasn't their fault aside from being raised well and staying healthy to live long. That's life. Most of my suffering was when I was a child...when I didn't know any better; on the other hand, this guy was a teenager.
My Spiderman pic was really an exaggeration. I wasn't rofl but I still found this funny because of the decisions this guy made. It was overwhelming. What are people thinking when they smoke their lungs out or consider drinking a lot? It's a shame.
EDIT: @Vinyl, I'm not scared of mods. Ever.
Ussi
Smash Legend
death comes whenever, sometimes when people don't like it. I'm indifferent to death
Now his death is pretty ironic because he disobeyed the teacher's warning so it says, so i see some amusement in it. Kind of like a "serves him right" though no one deserves death.
Now his death is pretty ironic because he disobeyed the teacher's warning so it says, so i see some amusement in it. Kind of like a "serves him right" though no one deserves death.
This is basically what I'm trying to get at. It's hard to articulate...but I feel that someone can not "Deserve" something, but at the same time, you mess with the bulls you get the horns.
Masmasher@
Smash Lord
living is a special thing
we all got he somehow and we will all leave and be committed to to the earth someday
Idk
i just dont find a instance of this funny and comparing it to a movie and or bin laden is nothing short of asinine.
everyones made choices that are dumb you cant see the entire thread or know this guys method of thinking is. fact is that what ever age you are add or subtract years and that could be/ couldve been you respect his life because its what he had and he couldnt see everything for the fun he was having for those brief moments
morally its right to just pay respects
laughing doesnt make you special or shed any new and or needed perspective on anything
with that said
common sense isnt very common
we all got he somehow and we will all leave and be committed to to the earth someday
Idk
i just dont find a instance of this funny and comparing it to a movie and or bin laden is nothing short of asinine.
everyones made choices that are dumb you cant see the entire thread or know this guys method of thinking is. fact is that what ever age you are add or subtract years and that could be/ couldve been you respect his life because its what he had and he couldnt see everything for the fun he was having for those brief moments
morally its right to just pay respects
laughing doesnt make you special or shed any new and or needed perspective on anything
with that said
common sense isnt very common