yes! I Finally Finished Reading Everything. Took Forever. Reason That I Wasn't Here Right Away Is Because I Went To Inui's Last Night To Train With Him And Atomsk. I've Almost Always Been On The Fence Leaning Towards Anti-ban. Though I Know I'll Be Happier If Mk Gets Banned, I Generally Don't Feel He Deserves It, Especially When Taking Into Account Snake, Falco, And Ic.
I Had A Lot To Say, But After Reading Everything (you May Note I Only Posted Once On Page 75 Pertaining To The Op) I Decided It Would Probably Be Better To Just Frestyle My Reply Instead Of Multi-quoting The Whole Thread.
First Of All, I'm Going To Be Brutally Honest. Over 98% Of The Players That Have Posted In This Thread Have Very Little Idea Of How To Play This Game. A Lot Of The People Who Are Pushing For A Ban Are Not Even Close To Fathoming How Broken Mk Actually Is, And Want To Ban Character Who Is Probably Actually Broken, But Not Even Close To Broken On The Average Level Of Play.
When Talking With Atomsk About The Ban Last Night, After Asking Him What He Thought, He Rebounded The Question On Me, Pondering My Own Opinion. To That I Simply Answered, "if There Were About 5 Players At M2k's Skill Level All Using Mk, It Would Be Stupidly Obvious That Mk Is Ban-able." As It Stands, Right Now, No One Is Playing This Game At Even Close Of A High Enough Level That We Need To Ban Anything. Hell, Bridge Of Eldin Could Be Legal But I'll Still Beat 90% Of King Dedede Players With Marth, Because People Just Aren't At My Level And That's Not Even The Highest Level. If M2k Is An S-class Player, I'm Probably Only B-class. 98% Of Players Are C-class And Below, So Banning Stuff Seems Really Silly When Talking About The Highest Level Of Play, Because It Simply Doesn't Matter, And Top-level Play Is Still Too Unexplored, As All The top Pros Keep Saying.
I Played Atomsk's Mk Once Last Night In A Friendly. He's A Better Player Than Me, No Doubt. He Also Used A Lot Of Characters, And Was Able To Show Me How Terrible I Was At The Toon Link Match-up, And We Had Very Much Fun With Snake Vs. Marth, Going Nearly Even In That Match-up. His Mk Destroyed Me Stupidly Fast, No Questins Asked, And That's One Of My Best, Most Experienced Match-ups. I've Only Fought Two Mks That Destroyed Me So Thoroughly: M2k, And Neo. However, I Don't Use These Experiences To Say That The Character Should Be Banned. Mk Is Marth's Worst Match-up, And These Are All S-class Players That Either Know The Match-up, Or Have A Relatively Good Idea Of How Mk Can Over-power Marth. I Should Expect To Get Destroyed By Players Two Classes Above In My Character's Worst Match-up.
I Think That If There Were More S-class Players That Decided To Use Mk, Then We Would Have A Significant Issue. However, I Don't Think That 22% Of Winnings Is Too Much For The Best Character In The Game At All. Saying That It's 1 Character Out Of 36 Is The Stupidest Argument Ever. I Could Ban Three Of The S-tiered Charactered, And I Still Wouldn't See The Vast Majority Of Low Tiers Taking Tournaments. All Considering, If Good Players Are Present, Only S-tiered Characters Should Realistically Win An Entire Tournament. That Being Said, 22% For The Best One Seems Quite Reasonable For An S-tier Of 6 Characters.
Now, As For Mid Level Play? Seriously, This Is The Primary Reason Why I'm So Fence Ridden. The Middle Level Of Play And Call Out From The Community Is Stupidly Over Looked. A Lot Of People Argue That We Shouldn't Cater To The Middle Level Of Play, Because Ideally We Want Everyone To Graduate To A High Level. wake Up Call, We Don't Live In An Ideal World Where Everyone Improves Significantly Overtime. This Will Not Happen. Seriously, If You Pay Attention, The Same People Have Been Winning Since The Beginning With Merely A Very Few Players Clicking Into Their Place And Being Able To Class-up As A Player. How Can You Not Have Noticed That Despite The Fact That Some People Play This Game Everyday, Really Care, And Want To Get Better, They Still Are Around The Same Skill Relative To Everyone Else. Yes, We've All Leveled Up As A Community, Learned New Ats, And Most Of Us Have Better Spacing, Recognize Very Common Senerios, And Have Some More Tech-skill Than When We First Started, But You're Not Being Honest With Yourself If You Really Think That People Significantly Improved. Some People Do, Most People Do Not. If You Did, You Would've Placed Well In Tournament By Now, And Results Wouldn't Look So Familiar. The Fact Of The Matter Is, M2k Was Probably Better Than 90% Of You Are Now On His Second Month Of Playing Brawl.
That All Being Said, It Is Still Very Important To Acknowledge The Importance Of Mid-level Play And It's Players, Because There Would Be No Scene Without Everyone, And They (you) Are Still Extremely Crucial To The Community.
Conclusively, I Think That At Top Level Of Play, Mk Is Ban-able, However, There Is Little Evidence To Back This Up, And Even I'm Not Knowledgeable Enough To Want To Pull A Trigger At This Point In Time. This Is Especially True When You Consider That M2k Hugely Developed Mks Metagame At A Stupidly Rapid Pace. Ally Is Doing The Same For Snake, But Snake Is Extremely Limited Once He Gets Hit, And Is Prone To Melee Style 0 To Deaths By Many Characters Once More Players Graduate To That Level. (i Say Melee Style Because Unlike 64, You Aren't In Straight Hitstun, But It Is Strings Of Hits, Reads, Combos And Chases, Which Ultimately Leads To Death.)
While I'm Talking, I Might Want To Bring Up My Opinion That While Mk Really Does Cripple Mid-level Play, Ice Climbers Are Potentially Doing The Same Thing To High Level Play. Just Food For Thought. I'll Be Around The Thread.
