Footstool Down Air on Stage

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Footstool Down Air on Stage Combos & Kill Setups
If Sheik spaces a down air so that only the spike hit connects and not the ground hit, then the opponent will be bounced upwards off the stage. This is techable, but if the opponent misses the tech Sheik can get many combos from this, and most work on every character.
Very long GIF be warned
It’s very unlikely however, that you’ll land a straight up dair on a skilled opponent. A way to set up for this more safely, is with footstools.

When Sheik footstools a grounded opponent she can immediately follow up with a down air before their animation ends.
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Using this, it is possible to do a variety of combos and kill setups. What’s great about the kill setups this can provide, is that not only does it allow for earlyish kills by Sheik standards, but also allows for kill setups that work at very high percentages.

Down Air Information
Sheik’s Dair has 2 hitboxes.
The first hitbox deals 8% damage and is active on frames 15 - 33 of the dair animation. On frames 15 - 18 it spikes at a 280 degree angle, and on frames 19 - 33 or until Sheik hits the ground it hits the opponent away at a 70 degree angle.
The second hit is the landing hit, which deals 2% damage and is active on frames 1-2 of sheik’s landing.
We care about the spike hit.


Dair first hit only
For any combos to work, the meteor hit must connect right before Sheik lands, so that the opponent is sent upwards. Normally the landing hit would combo from the meteor hit
GIF
but at certain percentages (which vary between characters) the spike hit will send the opponent too far upwards for the landing hit to connect. The percentage is different depending on where you are in relation to the opponent, so the percentages shown are for buffered dair after a footstool.
GIF
It is possible to fade forward slightly and still get the guaranteed down air and space better for the spike hit only (GIF), but that takes a lot of accuracy and timing, and it’s much easier to buffer the down air.

Percentages that the landing hit will not combo from the spike hit
Character Facing towards Sheik Facing away from Sheik
:4mario: Mario 150% 170%
:4luigi: Luigi 165% 195%
:4peach: Peach 100% 105%
:4bowser: Bowser 145% 145%
:4yoshi: Yoshi 155% 145%
:rosalina:+:starman: Rosalina & Luma 40% 40%
:rosalina: Rosalina 105% 105%
:4bowserjr: Bowser Jr. 185% 135%
:4wario: Wario 125% 170%
:4dk: Donkey Kong 165% 130%
:4diddy: Diddy Kong 235% 235%
:4gaw: Mr. Game & Watch 170% 180%
:4littlemac: Little Mac 180% 130%
:4link: Link 50% 50%
:4zelda: Zelda 110% 110%
:4sheik: Sheik 175% 160%
:4ganondorf: Ganondorf 50% 50%
:4tlink: Toon Link 180% 130%
:4samus: Samus 50% 65%
:4zss: Zero Suit Samus 45% 85%
:4pit: Pit 185% 190%
:4palutena: Palutena 125% 125%
:4marth: Marth 165% 190%
:4myfriends: Ike 140% 110%
:4robinm: Robin 185% 255%
:4duckhunt: Duck Hunt Duo 180% 180%
:4kirby: Kirby 315% 315%
:4dedede:King Dedede 70% 70%
:4metaknight: Meta Knight 205% 210%
:4fox: Fox 150% 125%
:4falco: Falco 70% 70%
:4pikachu: Pikachu 205% 205%
:4charizard: Charizard 120% 120%
:4lucario: Lucario 200% 195%
:4jigglypuff: Jigglypuff 290% 290%
:4greninja: Greninja 200% 180%
:4rob: R.O.B. 145% 85%
:4ness: Ness 175% 160%
:4falcon: Captain Falcon 135% 130%
:4villager: Villager 135% 120%
:4olimar: Olimar 275% 180%
:4wiifit: Wii Fit Trainer 115% 115%
:4shulk: Shulk 115% 115%
Shulk (Jump Art) 105% 105%
Shulk (Speed Art) 115% 115%
Shulk (Shield Art) 145% 145%
Shulk (Buster Art) 115% 115%
Shulk (Smash Art) 100% 100%
:4drmario: Dr. Mario 150% 170%
:4darkpit: Dark Pit 185% 170%
:4lucina: Lucina 165% 200%
:4pacman: Pac-Man 165% 160%
:4megaman: Mega Man 95% 125%
:4sonic: Sonic 165% 145%
:4mewtwo: Mewtwo 155% 155%
:4lucas: Lucas 170% 150%
:4feroy: Roy 165% 190%
:4ryu: Ryu 150% 135%
:4cloud: Cloud 110% 115%
:4cloud2: Cloud (Limit) 110% 115%
:4corrinf: Corrin 165% 125%
:4bayonetta: Bayonetta 90% 105%
:4miibrawl: Mii Brawler 175% 160%
:4miigun: Mii Gunner 185% 180%
:4miisword: Mii Swordfighter 180% 180%
Footstool Down Air Combos
Many combos are possible from this, some not as useful as others. These combos are most effective on fast fallers. Combos listed are in order of usefulness.

Most characters are bounced off the stage at a 100 degree angle from the dair spike (normal angle is 280 degrees, take off 180 degrees when it bounces on the flat stage and it’s 100 degrees). For some reason, some characters are sent the other direction, at ~80 degree angle. With most combos you can easily react, but with a couple of them you have to be prepared, so which way they are sent will be listed by the character for the combos which require it.

Dair > UpSmash - Footstool into a down air, then immediately UpSmash
Even without DI, some characters will be sent in slightly different directions by the dair. Because of this, against some characters you will have to dash > upsmash, and against others you do a stationary upsmash.
GIF
To get this to work at the highest percentages possible you have to slightly delay the UpSmash, so that they fall further towards you. You also have to take note of which part of their hurtbox goes lowest while they are in midair, and aim for that part. An example would be captain falcon, whose legs dangle down below his body as he falls.
This combo kills at all percentages that it combos.
Works on:
Character Direction sent Percentage
Wario Sent behind sheik 125% - 140%
Link Sent behind sheik 115% - 125%
Ganondorf Sent behind sheik 115% - 130%
Zero Suit Samus Sent backwards from their POV 95% - 110%
Ike Sent behind sheik 110% - 135%
King Dedede Sent behind sheik 125% - 160%/180%*
Falco Sent backwards from their POV 90% - 115
ROB Sent backwards from their POV 140%
Captain Falcon Sent behind sheik 130% - 140%
Shulk Sent behind sheik 115%
Megaman Sent forwards from their POV 115% - 140%
Cloud Sent backwards from their POV 110% - 125%
Bayonetta Sent forwards from their POV 105% - 115%
Donkey Kong Sent Backwards from their POV 130%
Corrin sent backwards from their POV 125%

Dair > UpAir - Footstool into a down air, then jump and up air
Footstool into an immediate down air, then jump and up air. Depending on the opponents percentage you will have to either use a short hop, a full hop, or a grounded and then a double jump.
GIF
Make sure to follow their DI with your jumps. It is often best to dash a small distance on the ground so that your first jump has forward momentum.
This combos for a very long time (Up to 190% on Mario).
This begins to kill Falco on 3DS FD at 135%.
Works on everyone except:
Diddy Kong
Kirby
Metaknight
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Olimar

Dair > Bouncing Fish - Footstool into a down air, then immediately bouncing fish
Footstool into an immediate down air, then bouncing fish. Depending on the opponents percentage you will have to either do a stationary BF, use a short hop, a full hop, or a grounded and then a double jump.
GIF
You will not need to follow the opponent’s DI as BF can cover the distance. It is best to just jump directly upwards and BF in the needed direction. Make sure to lengthen/shorten the BF when necessary, and activate the hit as early as possible.
This combos for a very long time (Up to 180% on Mario).
This begins to kill Falco from the spawn point of 3DS FD at 120%.
Works on everyone except:
Diddy Kong
Kirby
Metaknight
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Olimar

Dair > Bair - Footstool into a down air, then jump and back air
Footstool into an immediate down air, then jump and back air. Depending on the opponents percentage you will have to either use a short hop, a full hop, or a grounded and then a double jump.
GIF
Make sure to follow their DI with your jumps. You will normally not need to dash before your first jump, as most characters are sent behind sheik by the down air.
At very high percents, only the late hit of bair will combo, so it is best to go for an up air instead.
This combos for a very long time (Up to 200% on Mario).
This begins to kill Falco from the spawn point of 3DS FD at 145%.
Works on everyone except:
Diddy Kong
Kirby
Metaknight
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Olimar

Dair > UpTilt - Footstool into a down air, then immediately up tilt
Footstool into an immediate down air, then up tilt the moment your landing lag ends. At later percentages you will have walk forward a very small distance before doing the up tilt.
GIF
Even without DI, some characters will be sent in slightly different directions by the dair. The characters that I show that this works on below, are characters that are sent directly upwards, or slightly forwards from the down air. It is possible to combo into an up tilt on characters who are sent slightly behind you, using a perfect pivot before the down air. Those characters are not listed, and using PPs can make this combo on all of the characters that Dair > UpSmash works on.
Works on:
Zero Suit Samus 70 - 75
Falco 70 - 110
Samus 85 - 100
Cloud 110 - 115

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Pretty much useless ones (Either there is always a better option or they don’t work on enough characters)
Dair > Nair - Footstool into a down air, then jump and neutral air
Footstool into an immediate down air, then jump and neutral air. Depending on the opponents percentage you will have to either use a short hop, a full hop, or a grounded and then a double jump.
Make sure to follow their DI with your jumps. It is often best to dash a small distance on the ground so that your first jump has forward momentum.
At very high percents, only the late hit of nair will combo, so it is best to go for an up air instead.
This combos for a very long time (Up to 190% on Mario).
This begins to kill Falco from the spawn point of 3DS FD at 155%.
Works on everyone except:
Diddy Kong
Kirby
Metaknight
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Olimar

Dair > Fair - Footstool into a down air, then jump and forward air
Footstool into an immediate down air, then jump and forward air. Depending on the opponents percentage you will have to either use a short hop, a full hop, or a grounded and then a double jump.
GIF
Make sure to follow their DI with your jumps. It is often best to dash a small distance on the ground so that your first jump has forward momentum.
This combos for a very long time (Up to 190% on Mario).
This begins to kill Falco from the spawn point of 3DS FD at 150%.
Works on everyone except:
Diddy Kong
Kirby
Metaknight
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Olimar

Dair > Ftilt - Footstool into a down air, then immediately forward tilt
Footstool into an immediate down air, then instantly ftilt once your landing lag ends.
GIF
Even without DI, some characters will be sent in slightly different directions by the dair. Because of this, against some characters you will have to ftilt behind you, instead of in front of you.
At later percentages you will have to slightly delay the ftilt, so that the opponent falls slightly downwards towards you.
Works on:
Link 80 - 95
Ganondorf 80 - 110
Samus?
Zero Suit Samus 70 - 90
King Dedede 85 - 130/145
Falco 70 - 100
Megaman 95 - 120

Dair > Dtilt - Footstool into a down air, then immediately down tilt
Works on:
Falco 70

Dair > Jab 1-2 - Footstool into a down air, then immediately jab
Footstool into an immediate down air, then instantly do jab once your landing lag ends. Against some characters you will have to turn around before the jabs.
Works on:
Link 75 - 85
Ganondorf 75 - 90
Zero Suit Samus 55 - 85
King Dedede 75 - 105
Falco 70 - 85
Megaman 95 - 100

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Teching Sheiks Down Air
The spike hit of Sheiks down air can be teched. The small amount of invincibility during the tech animation is enough for the opponent to avoid the landing hit, and so if they tech the first they will be safe from the second. Because of how laggy down air is, if the opponent techs they have frame advantage, and can punish if they’re fast.
GIF of both players holding shield
In Mario’s case, if he techs the down air he has about 6 frames of advantage, and so if they’re prepared they can get in a jab (or if they buffer, even a dsmash)

Generally, all teching will do is keep the opponent safe.
A recently discovered tech, grounded spike cancelling can also be done when hit by Sheik’s down air, but luckily for Sheik she has a landing hitbox on her down air. If the opponent successfully grounded spike cancels sheiks down air, the grounded hit will hit them anyway. Hurray.

Getting the Footstool
These combos rely on footstooling the opponent onstage, and this is something that you’ll have to practice a lot before trying in game.
This video by Beefy Smash Doods has a lot of information about footstools.
The safest ways to get it are:
Punish whiffed grabs with footstool
GIF
and
Footstool out of shield
Footstooling out of shield allows you to get very strong punishes on moves you would normally have to respect or only get a small punish on.
Another tricky way to get this is by doing ledge jump get up and mashing jump, but use this vary sparingly.
GIF

I hope these combos can help you in some way.
An example of a time this could have been used by a top player was when VoiD played Marss at Apex, and Marss whiffed a grab at a percent where he may have been able to combo dair into upsmash.
Void vs. Marss at Apex 2016

- Simikins
 
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Good stuff Sim. I'll have to read all of this after work today. Always thought it was a fun little combo to do, but didn't think about doing any follows up after the dair. :surprised:

Edit: Idk if this is in your post or not, but I wonder if we can follow up a drag down up air into a footstool. :upsidedown:
 
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Good stuff Sim. I'll have to read all of this after work today. Always thought it was a fun little combo to do, but didn't think about doing any follows up after the dair. :surprised:

Edit: Idk if this is in your post or not, but I wonder if we can follow up a drag down up air into a footstool. :upsidedown:
drag down uair footstool works at 180 so it probably wont work
 
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Good stuff Sim. I'll have to read all of this after work today. Always thought it was a fun little combo to do, but didn't think about doing any follows up after the dair. :surprised:

Edit: Idk if this is in your post or not, but I wonder if we can follow up a drag down up air into a footstool. :upsidedown:
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Yeah the spike hit dair is actually a pretty decent combo tool... if you can get it. And no I didn't think of that, at percentages where upair doesn't tumble then the pulldown upair into footstool could definitely be possible as at some %s dragdown upair ftilt is guaranteed, ftilt being frame 5. Sheik's jumpsquat is frame 4 so definitely seems possible.

drag down uair footstool works at 180 so it probably wont work
That's offstage, where there is no ground for you to land on before jumping up again, forcing you to go through the whole faf before being able to jump, whereas on the ground you only take the 21 frames of landing lag. The last dragdown hit is frame 15 and the faf is 44, so assuming you land a few frames after that final hit, it'll take a total of 36-43 frames before you can act, in contrast to the 44 offstage. That and the fact that if they're still in hitstun when they land they go through some of it grounded, makes falling upair to footstool on the ground much more viable.

And I think upair footstool offstage might be more like 200% lol, really never worth it :p
 

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is it possible to punish a marcina/marth/whatever who whiffed their up b and have to land on the ground with a footstool > dair setup? if so this could prove quite useful. It looks absolutely useless in neutral or in any other situation besides punishing really laggy moves like zss/pac grab or something like the up bs i mentioned

is it possible to react to getting a footstool in that ledge jump footstool setup? i feel like its not but if it is then its sexy...

good work as usual simikins!

edit: just to make sure, the dair spike is techable, correct?
 
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is it possible to punish a marcina/marth/whatever who whiffed their up b and have to land on the ground with a footstool > dair setup? if so this could prove quite useful. It looks absolutely useless in neutral or in any other situation besides punishing really laggy moves like zss/pac grab or something like the up bs i mentioned

is it possible to react to getting a footstool in that ledge jump footstool setup? i feel like its not but if it is then its sexy...

good work as usual simikins!

edit: just to make sure, the dair spike is techable, correct?
Yes, special landing lag can be punished with a footstool. Now that I think about it, if you're fast enough you can drag them down with upair, force them to go through RCO lag, and footstool easily. Yeah please don't randomly do this in neutral lol, unless you're very sure a falcon or something is gonna dash grab, at which point spam the hell out of that jump button. Though it might not seem that great at first, footstool oos is actually a really good option for punishing fast weak moves on shield, or crossups. If you watch recent Ranai sets he uses footstool dair as a quick punish for things like fox nair on shield.

Unfortunately, no. Reacting to the footstool is not possible. I tried messing around with footstool option selects but the only way to do them safely is with a special on footstool and an attack on whiff, and we'd want the opposite of that.

And yes the dair is techable. Had a little section on that near the end. If they neutral tech they have about 6 frames of advantage, and the invincibility eats the grounded hit, so they can punish if they're expecting it (though lets be real, unless void starts using this often, no-one is gonna learn how to punish it). One cool thing though, is because of the grounded hit, if they grounded spike cancel the spike hit they will still be caught by the grounded hit.
 
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