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Falco Matchup #24: Fox

Zwei Striker

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Except Falco has an easier time trapping the opponent with it. That's more important.
Yet fox kills easier with it. And it's not more important, the point of trapping the opponent is killing.

Yeah but you're not gonna hit a Nair really, Falco has more chance (while still low)
I don't get what you mean by this. Falco won't be using it's nair in this matchup as much, since it's so unsafe and unnecessary, while foxs nair gets enough use as a kill set up for usmash and as an approach.


Yes but we have lasers. edit: and better ledgeguards cuz of our fsmash, disjointed jab, lingering bair etc
Sure, lasers affect foxs recovery more than foxs lasers affect falcos, yet it's not really that much of a problem, since fox can side b immediatly after being hit by a laser without falco being able to do much. It's just a little damage, that, in the end, foxs lasers still do.
And the ledgeguards, yeah, falcos are better, yet fox won't really be so affected by them imho.
-Falco's bair kills about the same percent at fox's when its fresh. The reason why it seems weaker is because falco uses bair a lot more than fox, so its stale most of the time.
Srry, but then that's a point up on foxs favor, since we're talking matchup wise. If Falcos bair will be stale most of the time, then no way it will help kill fox earlier.
 

1PokeMastr

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Guess in conceding we can settle on 60/40

:phone:
* 55:45 or 50:50.
If Fox's Lasers lasted as long as Falco's did, I would honestly say Fox beat Falco in this Mu.

Our Bair is Stronger but seems weaker because people are used to Di'ing it, and we use it as a main tool to Punish, has a long lasting Hit Box, and is better Frame Data Wise.

Fox's Bair seems to Kill Earlier due to it's Horizontal Launch Angle and people not being used to Di'ing it nor is it used Often, it has a Larger Hit Box than Ours.

Our Dair is better for approaching shields, leading to frame traps and tech chases and overall, spiking, it has great priority and the lingering Hit Box beats out a lot of moves too.

Fox's Dair is better for Damaging, Shield Poking and leads to a Safe way to rack as well as Kill.


Marth can Uair us between the hits of Our Fair.

People can SDi out of Fox's fair and end up in an awkward position.
Fox obviously has the better Fair.



Our Uair is a nice frame trap, it kills even if you Di it properly, it has a Several Different Hit Boxes that count as one hit box in the end.

Fox's First hit of Uair leads to move strings. His second hit kills early.


Fox kills Falco earlier than Falco - Fox has to approach to get the kill, waiting for a Mistake or Opening, which would be when we laser at his Hyphen smash range.
Falco kills Later than Fox - Falco can get in with Dacus, and has an Easier time getting in from the lasers.


Fox is Lighter than Falco - But has a Faster Fall Speed.
Falco is heavier - Has a Slower Fall speed.

Our recover options have high priority - Only one is difficult to punish 100% of the time - and they are weaker as a recovery option.
Fox's have lower priority - Only one is easy to Punish 100% of the time - They are both stronger as a recovery option.

We both have options to to punish one another without much of an issue.

This Mu is pretty even in the long run.
 

Player-3

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this matchups really gay for both sides

fox juggles falco like hes a snake or something but he has to get inside falcos insane poke/camp game to do it
 

Player-1

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i havent read anything at all in this thread but it's a -5 MU in falco's favor. fox is a terrible character and you should feel bad if you don't 3 stock him.
 

M@v

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Dat TKD necro, followed up by p1 trolling.

This is even or 55:45 bros. People who think either side wins 6:4 or better is on something.
 
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