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Falco Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Falco' started by Dr Peepee, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. Dr Peepee

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  2. LAX_

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    How about Dr Peepee: Falco stuff

    lol :)

    i'm not one of those grammar losers but for such a well written guide you should fix that lol.

    GOOD STUFF DUDE.
    really, i just learned a ton about falcon. while i would **** on stages like FD, on any other stage it would be close because of those darn tech chases->knees on patforms and stuff.
    awesome, awesome guide.
    maybe someday a marth one? :p
     
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  3. Dr Peepee

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    Changed the title until I get another suggestion. XD

    Fixed that stupid error. I come back to my writing in between fits of spacing out sometimes and that happens haha.

    I can do a Marth one sometime.
     
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    Good read. Thanks for the info PP.
     
  5. Dr Peepee

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    No problem bro.

    Can't wait to play you more next time we're at the same tournament!
     
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    Yeah we only got a few matches in this time. Felt like you weren't warmed up either. :(

    Say for example I dair shine Falcon at 0 under one of Yoshi's platforms. Should I:

    -Sh shine waveland to something?

    -quick dj dair onto platform into another move (does this even work?)

    -uair? lol


    Sometimes I just don't know how to keep combos going. haha
     
  7. Dr Peepee

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    Lol I was still adjusting to the fact that Foxes didn't approach(never been out of the south before =p). I have a lot to learn about fighting Fox, but I think I can only get better at it. You're legit. =)


    As for your question, I would say you should shine waveland onto the platform. The follow up is largely DI dependent though. If they DI away on both shines, then you'll want to Uptilt as Falcon falls into your range. If you wait until Falcon comes out of stun, then you can catch his double dump as he uses it and Fsmash to Dair/Fsmash edgeguard to finish.

    If he DIs towards the middle platform, you'll want to run off of the side platform and double dump double laser so you can catch Falcon's jump. If you think he won't jump(because you've punished his jump with this a lot lately and conditioned him not to jump), then it's best to dash into SH double jump waveland onto the main platform and I think you could get a turnaround uptilt on Falcon.
    Your other alternative in both cases for the middle platform is to go to the bottom and cut off his falling angle to set up for a Bair out of Falcon's falling aerial or a chance to double jump shine Falcon as soon as he lands onto a platform.
     
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    With my experience against Falcon, the roll almost always happens as you say, but what happens he's facing to the left and I'm pressuring the right side of his shield (behind falcon) and he rolls towards the left? The best I've done is shine -> jump -> laser pressure behind their shield then use lasers to follow the roll, but somehow the falcon always gets away.

    Also, what's your opinion on multishines vs falcon? I can do them on a shield at least 2/3 times, but I find it leaves me vulnerable to the roll.

    edit: great guide, Falcon always seemed to be a fuzzy matchup for me, despite all falco's advantages in this matchup.
     
  9. Alukard

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    smooth PP

    i'll read it later tho ... too tired to do it now >_>
     
  10. Dr Peepee

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    Once you get your shield pressure started, start to walk towards Falcon's shield out of a waveshine. He'll probably flip out and roll away and you can get a clean Fsmash. He might start trying to stomp/Bair OOS to mix in with his rolls, so just mix in Uptilt pressure to beat this.

    You could also try to just laser to grab if all else fails. If nothing else, you're cutting down Falcon's shield and increasing the likelihood of shield stabbing with a Dair, which gets you a combo. Even if you don't get a shield stab, then you know Falcon can't shield because it won't do him much good, so it's helpful to realize that Falcon will be worrying about this and start attacking him.

    Mixing in 2/3 multishines can be a good mixup for waveshining behind Falcon's shield(remember he tries to grab the waveshine). It's not really necessary when you can shine+JC grab and punish Falcon(though it's admittedly not as great of a reward as a shine, but it's much more likely to succeed).


    Thanks for the complement!



    Edit: Thanks Alukard! <3
     
  11. Igcoris

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    I laughed pretty hard at the bolded part. Anyways, I've never really thought of mixing up with shine grabs/laser grabs until I read this. I've always tried to shield pressure with multishines/dairs no matter what thinking it's the best way to go. I'll start paying real close attention to what I'm doing now. Thanks again!
     
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    good stuff I thought of this off the top of my head

    you could call it... dr. peepee tellin you how it's done, falco now with more lasers, dr. peepee's teaching you about ****, random ****, I bet you won't read this, or maybe this dr. peepee falco read.

    If you use one please put this at the end of your first post. "Play as pichu bought to you by ICG"
     
  13. Dr Peepee

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    @Igcoris: Yeah but it's true. =p I'm glad to help.

    LOL @ "Falco now with more lasers." XD I'm not THAT bad about them, am I?
     
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    This is cool and all PP, but I'm still probably gonna beat you at State with my Falcon;)
     
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    Very good guide. I'd definitely read more. Lol @ shooting Falcon right between the legs.
     
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    "Dr Peepee's office: I know more about falco than I do urine!"
    You can mess with it, but I thought it was a good start for the threads name. =D

    Nice info. I learned a lot, now all I need is a falcon player to test this against. Marth info would be really nice too. Thanks Dr. pp.
     
  18. Dr Peepee

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    I updated the title because I'm punny like that.

    Glad to help bros. Apparently you all want to hear about Marth next, and that M2K experience would come in really handy here haha. I'll get to work on it fairly soon, no worries.

    I'll also try to make this a little more divided so it's easier to find what you want to read about.
     
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    Seriously? Falcos dont know how to deal with Falcons?

    Your gun has infinite bullets

    Take him to FD or FoD or YS

    DONE SON.
     
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    Really good guide, wow. Goes into a lot of specifics and into the few things falcon can actually do vs falco.
     
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    falcon v falco is a hilarious matchup.
     
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    great guide

    title makes me :(
     
  24. Dr Peepee

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    Dude my title rapes no hate. =p

    I'll either do Marth soon or I'll talk to Mogwai a lot and do a big update all at once.


    I guess this thread can also be a sort of Q and A if anyone cares. I just want it to be useful haha.
     
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    cool.

    the paragraph labeled #2. is one of the funniest things I have seen today.

    PP, I need help on the falco vs ICs / jiggs matchup!!!
     
  26. Dr Peepee

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    Funny because you disagree or because of the way I wrote it? Lol <3 my gun.

    Jiggz....ugh. I don't know a lot about this matchup, but I can tell you that you want to laser when Puff is on the ground or across the stage from you. Once Puff gets halfway to you(halfway across the stage, whatever), stop shooting. You have to start getting your self into a position to Bair. This involves lots of patience and.....a little movement I guess, but mostly patience. Bair beats everything Jiggz has(except maybe a perfectly spaced Bair, but if you get to her quickly enough that shouldn't be happening).

    When puff lands, you have to try to keep her grounded. Puff's shield blows but her OOS options do not. If she's not close enough for you to aerial at her easily, then shoot lasers a little above her shield as you approach so that when she tries to jump away she'll get knocked back onto the ground.

    When you get in close, you want to look for grabs at lower percents because upthrow gives you a little bit to work with. Chops likes to Fthrow everyone, and if you can guess if puff retreats or counterattacks then you can react accordingly. Retreat=chase with lasers. Counterattack=Dair(since I think you'll still be over her at lower percents).
    I like to Uthrow. Usually leads to a Uair, but it can be a Bair or even Dair depending on DI, stage location, and what throw/followup you have been using recently. Get creative here because you need to make the most of whatever throw you decide to use.

    Everyone at RoM2 was yelling at me to laser approach to Dtilt to kill puff early. I'm gonna go ahead and suggest it to you guys as well. I haven't killed puff early yet so it's worth testing at the least.

    Dair to Dair is really good on puff because it puts her back onto the ground where you want her.


    There's a little more to it but that's enough for now. I'll do ICs later.
     
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    I just came here to say that I approve of the title.
     
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    Yeah see, you guys could learn from this bro.

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    #2 was funny, because you said to keep lasering when he powershields, so that they don't build confidence. I completely agree, but it made me chuckle a bit when I read it to myself, so I'd say it's funny because it's true.

    Also, thank you for the advice. I'm definitely going to work on it.
     
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    dtilting puff is tricky cause she rarely stays grounded and it's relatively high risk for a tilt (longest duration of Falco's tilts). I'd only really recommend it when you can CC a falling aerial from her or you're shooting high and think you'll catch her jumping out of her shield into one of your lasers, but even then your timing and spacing have to be spot on to dtilt before she can jump again to get out of range and punish your dtilt.
     
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    Yeah that makes sense.

    Thanks Mogwai.
     
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    i can finally beat $Mike consistently now. (?)

    (lol yeah right)
     
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    PP, advice for falco vs ganon please.

    The matchup looks **** if done properly.
     
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    shoot him, when he commits to moving forward, SHFFL nair and death combo. don't approach when he can jump backwards and fair. don't lose game 1 cause then he'll take you to brinstar :(.
     
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    You have problems with Falco on brinstar? I just make sure Ganon can't safely control the top platform, and then make sure he can't get off without jumping into something.
     
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    This thread is to legit to quit....
    talking on it
    nice information though
     
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    I dunno, Kage took me there for game 3 and it was mad gay, that's all I'm sayin'.
     

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