eighteenspikes
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The guy from Super Size Me actually gained over 20 pounds, was miserable, lost his sex drive, and experienced irregular heartbeat. I'm sure it was because of the fries, though.
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Everything you know about nutrition is wrong.
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It was.
The first half of Fat Head (the slower part of it IMO) is a debunking of Supersize Me. The guy does a 30-day fast food diet where he bans fries and only drinks diet soda. Limiting himself to meat heavy burgers (McDoubles, Big Macs), keeping about 50% of his calories from fats, and limiting his calories to average around 2000 a day. Basically replicating that one guy's Big Mac diet. He drops 12 pounds and has improved cholesterol from the low-fat diet he was struggling with before.
The guy on Supersize Me gained weight and felt like crap because he was eating 5000 calories a day (until he was literally throwing up), including tons of sugar.
It wasn't the burgers.
Fat Head demonstrated it pretty conclusively.
The second half of the documentary (the good part) is explaining why it worked and also why it's not an ideal long term diet, what causes heart disease, etc.
It's basically a hyper-condensed version of Why We Get Fat.
GwJ
Smash Hero
According to Fat Head, the guy from Supersize me deliberately over-ate to make his weight gain more dramatic, citing that he ate 5000+ calories per day and 1 gallon of soda.
I've been following what I call the "war on traditional nutrition" for a while. The food pyramid and low fat low calorie diets have not and are not working. Saturated fats are GOOD FOR YOU. As Praxis said Olive, and Coconut (I am adding Palm oil too) oils are actually higher is saturated fat calories than vegetable oils, but are much better for you. Certain vitamins and minerals are ONLY fat soluble.
Obesity in the United States is not just a result of gluttonous and lazy Americans. It is the result of the processing of foods and the ENORMOUS increase in sugar intake (especially in children). Sodas, flavored milk, candy, and cheap processed foods are the culprits.
Losing weight is a lot more complex than "eat less exercise more". It should be more like "eat right, exercise more." Diet is more important than exercise. Without the right diet, exercise can actually be bad for you. Basically, if you don't consume the resources to repair the damage exercise does, it won't heal correctly. Again as Praxis mentioned, hormones control weight gain and loss. It isn't as simple as eating less calories. If you slow your metabolism by starving it, you are just setting yourself up to gain the weight back.
Another good book to add to Praxis' list is "The Dark Side of Fat Loss." Basically it goes into the Science of why popular diets are making us miserable, killing our libido, making us tired, and actually making some of us GAIN weight.
I also read a book on something called Metabolic Typing. Basically, metabolisms are unique and different people require different diets. Historically there have been cultures who have eaten primarily fats and meats and others that have eaten primarily fruits and vegetables. Both had radically different diets, but both were similarly healthy. As an example, an ******, whose diets was high in protein and fat, would get sick on a vegetarian diet (which did happen).
However, my major gripe with that book was the low amount of Science it used so I don't fully agree with it, but the correlations are pretty compelling.
Obesity in the United States is not just a result of gluttonous and lazy Americans. It is the result of the processing of foods and the ENORMOUS increase in sugar intake (especially in children). Sodas, flavored milk, candy, and cheap processed foods are the culprits.
Losing weight is a lot more complex than "eat less exercise more". It should be more like "eat right, exercise more." Diet is more important than exercise. Without the right diet, exercise can actually be bad for you. Basically, if you don't consume the resources to repair the damage exercise does, it won't heal correctly. Again as Praxis mentioned, hormones control weight gain and loss. It isn't as simple as eating less calories. If you slow your metabolism by starving it, you are just setting yourself up to gain the weight back.
Another good book to add to Praxis' list is "The Dark Side of Fat Loss." Basically it goes into the Science of why popular diets are making us miserable, killing our libido, making us tired, and actually making some of us GAIN weight.
I also read a book on something called Metabolic Typing. Basically, metabolisms are unique and different people require different diets. Historically there have been cultures who have eaten primarily fats and meats and others that have eaten primarily fruits and vegetables. Both had radically different diets, but both were similarly healthy. As an example, an ******, whose diets was high in protein and fat, would get sick on a vegetarian diet (which did happen).
However, my major gripe with that book was the low amount of Science it used so I don't fully agree with it, but the correlations are pretty compelling.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
Ok, so let's take your word for it and keto is incredibly effective and makes you lose a ton of weight as long as you don't eat fries. Fabulous. Don't you think fiercely touting a fad diet that is ENTIRELY sabotaged by Fries and Soda to a bunch of gamers is a bit... irresponsible? Don't you think that maybe encouraging them to exercise and enjoying snacks in diminished quantities would be a better place to start? Don't you think that you come off as a presumptuous douchebag when you proudly announce to the people who actually have the discipline to follow through on a healthy lifestyle that "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT NUTRITION IS WRONG" after one month of a fad diet?
To be fair, the OP is a lot more inflammatory and the title more of a click-bait. In retrospect, my OP is a bit douchebaggy sounding, I won't disagree, but I'd prefer a more formal discussion of it if you're willing.
I disagree with the term fad diet, as I mentioned in my earlier post. Low carbohydrate diets have been used since the 1800's, and I'm not talking about a specific regimen; just low carbs.
I think what I WANT people to get out of this thread is that they need to focus on eliminating sugars and vegetable oils, not fats. And I don't think it's irresponsible to push low-sugar on gamers. Fast food junkie? Drink diet soda, skip the fries, get a double patty burger or something. You could eat healthier than fast food, but if you're going to either way, you'll be healthier cutting out the sugar in the soda and vegetable-oil-fried-starch in potatoes.
Exercise is anti-inflammatory and calorie burning and is absolutely fantastic, but exercise alone will not beat out poor eating habits in someone who is already fat (which implies they may have insulin resistance or a poor metabolism in some way or another). That's why you see fat construction workers, fat lumberjacks, etc.
I would highly encourage anyone to start exercising. But I think they already know they should be exercising and are choosing not to. They probably don't realize that the mantra they hear everywhere- eat less fat, more grains- isn't going to help them and that sugar and vegetable oils are what they should kill. So, I'm targeting the thing they don't already know.
I disagree with the term fad diet, as I mentioned in my earlier post. Low carbohydrate diets have been used since the 1800's, and I'm not talking about a specific regimen; just low carbs.
I think what I WANT people to get out of this thread is that they need to focus on eliminating sugars and vegetable oils, not fats. And I don't think it's irresponsible to push low-sugar on gamers. Fast food junkie? Drink diet soda, skip the fries, get a double patty burger or something. You could eat healthier than fast food, but if you're going to either way, you'll be healthier cutting out the sugar in the soda and vegetable-oil-fried-starch in potatoes.
Exercise is anti-inflammatory and calorie burning and is absolutely fantastic, but exercise alone will not beat out poor eating habits in someone who is already fat (which implies they may have insulin resistance or a poor metabolism in some way or another). That's why you see fat construction workers, fat lumberjacks, etc.
I would highly encourage anyone to start exercising. But I think they already know they should be exercising and are choosing not to. They probably don't realize that the mantra they hear everywhere- eat less fat, more grains- isn't going to help them and that sugar and vegetable oils are what they should kill. So, I'm targeting the thing they don't already know.
This; and stated in a less obnoxious manner than I, appreciated
Man, being on keto for two months- now that I check the sugar content of everything I am completely flabbergasted by the amount of sugar in everything here. Even fruit juice is insane 0_o
I've also become something of a sugar detecting machine- I can pick up even the slightest amount of sugar in something now.
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im starting to realize everything i know about food in general is wrong:
http://youtu.be/nBJV56WUDng
http://youtu.be/nBJV56WUDng
I think the "grains are bad for you" part of the OP is too casually put. The idea behind it has been made clear enough but I still think it's needed to be corrected somewhat.
Grains are not bad for you! If you know the basics of biochemistry you'd know that carbs are nothing other than sugar [which your body needs!]. If your body can't burn it within a certain time the body will store it in shape of fat. That is the reason why too high a carb input leads to overweight and usually is the reason for overweight. But that doesn't mean that carbs or grains are "bad" at all.
What it comes down to is a balanced proportion between your carb input and your saturation. And as it has been mentioned countless times in this thread, that's up to a hormone called "insulin". What you want is to not influence your "natural" level of insulin too much with your input of carbs [aka sugar]. What's bad for you are processed grains - the longer and more they have been processed the worse they are. Because the more they have been refined the less time it will take for your body to extract the carbs / sugar and then the insuline level will rise faster than it should. Your feeling of saturation will wear off fast and you will feel hungry again despite your massive input of refined carbs / sugar.
That doesn't mean you should remove carbs from your diet or reduce them to a small limit. You just need to eat the right cards at the right time. Full grain products are perfect. Since they contain almost only unrefined grains the sugar will be extracted a lot more slowly and thus a good balance of carb input / saturation is provided. What you want are carbs that have the right balance between the amount you eat of them and the level of saturation they provide. 200g of full grain bread keep you saturated much longer than 200g of white bread, despite the same input - because the full grain bread affects your level of insulin a lot less. If you eat the carbs before work / going to school most of the carb input will be burnt by your body anyway so starting the day with full grain products is not just not bad at all but actually also highly recommended because nothing provides energy over a longer amount of time than full grain products [fun fact: the body provides 80% of the energy you eat to the brain, the other 20% are used for the rest of your body. Mental labor - focusing / paying attention in particular - burn more energy than physical exercise does]. After that - once most of your work has been done - that's when you want to avoid carbs the most. Just keep yourself slightly saturated over the rest of the day with pulses / tofu, low-sugar dairy producs like yoghurt / cheese, salads, soup, veggies, eggs and fish and you'll be doing fine - fat is never really a factor within all that [just avoid products from pork - that stuff is ***]... it might take a while until you actually start to lose weight but once you've gotten there it becomes easy to control at little risk.
What can be taken at face value from the OP are mainly the explanations on how fat affects your body. However, with a few exceptions I think the Havard's "Healthy Eating Pyramid" looks pretty much completely on point and should be the basis of a balanced diet. If you want to lose weight faster then you might want to try a different diet but this is literally the only one that is 100% safe from any consequences such as the yo-yo effect and others [although that's obviously up to individual judgment - people who are aware of biochemistry will probably have an easier time dealing with more drastic change].
Stuff you should remove from your diet are any kind of refined shugar and flour products. The disproportion between saturation and input is high and potentially damaging [-> diabetes]
What you are free to eat are full grain bread, brown rice and full grain noodles. The amount of carbs you eat always matches your level of saturation so it's really hard to overeat on them [unless you do so on purpose].
Black Bread, Noodles, White Rice and Fruits lie somewhere between these two "extremes" depending on the balance between sugar / saturation. Physical / mental exercise can easily make up for them although you still don't want to overdo it @sugary fruit.
Grains are not bad for you! If you know the basics of biochemistry you'd know that carbs are nothing other than sugar [which your body needs!]. If your body can't burn it within a certain time the body will store it in shape of fat. That is the reason why too high a carb input leads to overweight and usually is the reason for overweight. But that doesn't mean that carbs or grains are "bad" at all.
What it comes down to is a balanced proportion between your carb input and your saturation. And as it has been mentioned countless times in this thread, that's up to a hormone called "insulin". What you want is to not influence your "natural" level of insulin too much with your input of carbs [aka sugar]. What's bad for you are processed grains - the longer and more they have been processed the worse they are. Because the more they have been refined the less time it will take for your body to extract the carbs / sugar and then the insuline level will rise faster than it should. Your feeling of saturation will wear off fast and you will feel hungry again despite your massive input of refined carbs / sugar.
That doesn't mean you should remove carbs from your diet or reduce them to a small limit. You just need to eat the right cards at the right time. Full grain products are perfect. Since they contain almost only unrefined grains the sugar will be extracted a lot more slowly and thus a good balance of carb input / saturation is provided. What you want are carbs that have the right balance between the amount you eat of them and the level of saturation they provide. 200g of full grain bread keep you saturated much longer than 200g of white bread, despite the same input - because the full grain bread affects your level of insulin a lot less. If you eat the carbs before work / going to school most of the carb input will be burnt by your body anyway so starting the day with full grain products is not just not bad at all but actually also highly recommended because nothing provides energy over a longer amount of time than full grain products [fun fact: the body provides 80% of the energy you eat to the brain, the other 20% are used for the rest of your body. Mental labor - focusing / paying attention in particular - burn more energy than physical exercise does]. After that - once most of your work has been done - that's when you want to avoid carbs the most. Just keep yourself slightly saturated over the rest of the day with pulses / tofu, low-sugar dairy producs like yoghurt / cheese, salads, soup, veggies, eggs and fish and you'll be doing fine - fat is never really a factor within all that [just avoid products from pork - that stuff is ***]... it might take a while until you actually start to lose weight but once you've gotten there it becomes easy to control at little risk.
What can be taken at face value from the OP are mainly the explanations on how fat affects your body. However, with a few exceptions I think the Havard's "Healthy Eating Pyramid" looks pretty much completely on point and should be the basis of a balanced diet. If you want to lose weight faster then you might want to try a different diet but this is literally the only one that is 100% safe from any consequences such as the yo-yo effect and others [although that's obviously up to individual judgment - people who are aware of biochemistry will probably have an easier time dealing with more drastic change].
Stuff you should remove from your diet are any kind of refined shugar and flour products. The disproportion between saturation and input is high and potentially damaging [-> diabetes]
What you are free to eat are full grain bread, brown rice and full grain noodles. The amount of carbs you eat always matches your level of saturation so it's really hard to overeat on them [unless you do so on purpose].
Black Bread, Noodles, White Rice and Fruits lie somewhere between these two "extremes" depending on the balance between sugar / saturation. Physical / mental exercise can easily make up for them although you still don't want to overdo it @sugary fruit.
I agree with basically everything in this. The processed grains cause way worse insulin response than unprocessed. The Harvard Food Pyramid, you'll note, counts white bread as sugar.I think the "grains are bad for you" part of the OP is too casually put. The idea behind it has been made clear enough but I still think it's needed to be corrected somewhat.
Grains are not bad for you! If you know the basics of biochemistry you'd know that carbs are nothing other than sugar [which your body needs!]. If your body can't burn it within a certain time the body will store it in shape of fat. That is the reason why too high a carb input leads to overweight and usually is the reason for overweight. But that doesn't mean that carbs or grains are "bad" at all.
What it comes down to is a balanced proportion between your carb input and your saturation. And as it has been mentioned countless times in this thread, that's up to a hormone called "insulin". What you want is to not influence your "natural" level of insulin too much with your input of carbs [aka sugar]. What's bad for you are processed grains - the longer and more they have been processed the worse they are. Because the more they have been refined the less time it will take for your body to extract the carbs / sugar and then the insuline level will rise faster than it should. Your feeling of saturation will wear off fast and you will feel hungry again despite your massive input of refined carbs / sugar.
That doesn't mean you should remove carbs from your diet or reduce them to a small limit. You just need to eat the right cards at the right time. Full grain products are perfect. Since they contain almost only unrefined grains the sugar will be extracted a lot more slowly and thus a good balance of carb input / saturation is provided. What you want are carbs that have the right balance between the amount you eat of them and the level of saturation they provide. 200g of full grain bread keep you saturated much longer than 200g of white bread, despite the same input - because the full grain bread affects your level of insulin a lot less. If you eat the carbs before work / going to school most of the carb input will be burnt by your body anyway so starting the day with full grain products is not just not bad at all but actually also highly recommended because nothing provides energy over a longer amount of time than full grain products [fun fact: the body provides 80% of the energy you eat to the brain, the other 20% are used for the rest of your body. Mental labor - focusing / paying attention in particular - burn more energy than physical exercise does]. After that - once most of your work has been done - that's when you want to avoid carbs the most. Just keep yourself slightly saturated over the rest of the day with pulses / tofu, low-sugar dairy producs like yoghurt / cheese, salads, soup, veggies, eggs and fish and you'll be doing fine - fat is never really a factor within all that [just avoid products from pork - that stuff is ***]... it might take a while until you actually start to lose weight but once you've gotten there it becomes easy to control at little risk.
What can be taken at face value from the OP are mainly the explanations on how fat affects your body. However, with a few exceptions I think the Havard's "Healthy Eating Pyramid" looks pretty much completely on point and should be the basis of a balanced diet. If you want to lose weight faster then you might want to try a different diet but this is literally the only one that is 100% safe from any consequences such as the yo-yo effect and others [although that's obviously up to individual judgment - people who are aware of biochemistry will probably have an easier time dealing with more drastic change].
Stuff you should remove from your diet are any kind of refined shugar and flour products. The disproportion between saturation and input is high and potentially damaging [-> diabetes]
What you are free to eat are full grain bread, brown rice and full grain noodles. The amount of carbs you eat always matches your level of saturation so it's really hard to overeat on them [unless you do so on purpose].
Black Bread, Noodles, White Rice and Fruits lie somewhere between these two "extremes" depending on the balance between sugar / saturation. Physical / mental exercise can easily make up for them although you still don't want to overdo it @sugary fruit.
In fact, the only thing about the Harvard Pyramid I disagree with is that I think there should be a little more allowance for red meat. Bacon and pork can be in the corner as the least nutritious red meat- but grass-fed steak/beef actually has pretty decent amounts of omega-3 and is healthy. However, I think it's fair to stick it in the corner since most people won't differentiate between processed (not healthy), grain-fed unprocessed (so-so), and grass-fed unprocessed (actually pretty healthy). I think Lamb is similar.
However, grains still cause a little more insulin response and than the average food. I don't think whole grains will make you fat if you're not fat. But, IMO they're a good thing to cut back on if (A) You are already fat and (B) You have already eliminated sugar and white bread.
When I am at my ideal weight, I'm going to allow myself to eat pasta and whole grain bread again. I'm going to avoid sugar and refined grains forever to keep from going back to my old weight.
Keto's definitely not the only way to lose weight; heck, I've seen people lose weight on all-carb diets (Engine 2 diet, for example, is carb heavy), but only by banning high glycemic index stuff (refined grains banned, regular grains limited, sugar banned). Killing insulin response is the best way to lose weight in an overweight person while sparing muscle mass and not fighting hunger cravings. 90% of that is killing sugar and white bread and flour and white potato starch. Keto is just a little added boost on top of that.
In a person gaining weight due to, for example, menopause, it might not be nearly as effective on the other hand.
One thing- re: your body chemistry statement, the need for sugars is overstated. That's the point of ketosis; not enough blood sugar (glucose)? Body can manufacture its own replacement in the form of ketones.
Also, guys?
Frying vegetables in olive oil is top tier.
I don't think anyone would disagree with the suggestion that eating green vegetables more helps in every way. Acknowledging that saturated fats aren't bad for you has allowed me to do some fantastic cooking with broccoli, spinach, kale, sprouts, etc...coconut milk and olive oil wherever I want
Havard counts White Bread as sugar because White Bread is sugar. Almost everything that's not sugar has been removed from the grain before it was even processed into flour. That's why it affects insuline so much and so quickly.
It is ... if you add garlic :3
The Hulk buys garlic infused olive oil for convenience's sake brother you should check it out.
It is the enrichment process that ruins the flour. Check the ingredients on the back of a bread loaf for any kind of "enriched" flour. That's how you know it's crap.
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I switched to a paleo/primal based diet around the end of january. I lost 20 lbs in 4 weeks with minimal exercise, meaning I went to yoga a couple of times a week. The theory behind paleo is that your body is not designed to process grains, and functionally becomes addicted to grains and sugars.
Nicknyte
Smash Lord
Yea. I am pretty much avoiding all bread, but if I must eat it, either whole grain, or bust. I have to admit, I do a bit of calorie counting, but mainly whenever I feel the need to have a rather unhealthy snack, and I feel the need to burn it off.
Oh yea, I tend to do 1-1.5 mile walks every other day for exercise. Trying to get to the Navy.
I've lost 15 pounds so far doing this. Was at 314 lbs and now at 301. Keto does its stuff. I know some trolls will think that this is a fad diet, but remember, fad diets actually refer to doing Keto because it's an established diet for people who have epilepsy. Ketosis is an induced medical condition. Nothing more....Of course my main challenge is trying to convince my wife TO STOP FEEDING ME SUGARY FOODS FOR DINNER!
Oh yea, I tend to do 1-1.5 mile walks every other day for exercise. Trying to get to the Navy.
I've lost 15 pounds so far doing this. Was at 314 lbs and now at 301. Keto does its stuff. I know some trolls will think that this is a fad diet, but remember, fad diets actually refer to doing Keto because it's an established diet for people who have epilepsy. Ketosis is an induced medical condition. Nothing more....Of course my main challenge is trying to convince my wife TO STOP FEEDING ME SUGARY FOODS FOR DINNER!
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I like books "Everything bad is good for you" and "The Vegetarian Myth" as well as the movie "Fat Head"
random crap:
http://www.thincs.org/index.htm - general site
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm - books
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE78.htm - (spiked article by a doctor)
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/502.abstract - Saturated fat, carbohydrate, and cardiovascular disease
http://thrivewithdiabetes.com/doc/Dietary_cholesterol_recommendations.pdf - Revisiting Dietary Cholesterol Recommendations: Does the Evidence Support a Limit of 300 mg/d?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a8119380u1m65617/ - Saturated Fat and Cardiometabolic Risk Factors, Coronary Heart Disease, Stroke, and Diabetes: a Fresh Look at the Evidence
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1742-1241.2009.02136.x/abstract - Dietary cholesterol and the risk of cardiovascular disease in patients: a review of the Harvard Egg Study and other data
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/pdf/brmedj02398-0041.pdf - Corn Oil in Treatment of Ischaemic Heart Disease
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j031q8l38xq1wkr2/ - Reduction of hypercholesterolemia by high-fat diet plus soybean phospholipids
portal to some more stuff: http://www.nmsociety.org/Fat_Research.aspx (this site contains full text studies which normally cost money to view)
http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/Research/Hu 10 SAFA vs CHO CHD Prevention[1].pdf ******* (paste this link, including "[1].pdf")******* - Are refined carbohydrates worse than saturated fat?
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Dietary Fat Quality CHD August 2009.pdf - Dietary Fat Quality and Coronary Heart Disease Prevention: A Unified Theory Based on Evolutionary, Historical, Global, and Modern Perspectives
http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/AboutFat/Siri-Tarino SAFA CVD Risk.pdf - Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
big: http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes...ff Dietary Fat and Coronary Heart Disease.pdf - Dietary Fat and Coronary Heart Disease: Summary of Evidence from Prospective Cohort and Randomised Controlled Trials
good read: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/...ed-fat-and-heart-disease-studies-old-and-new/
88 year old that ate 25 eggs a day: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306
random crap:
http://www.thincs.org/index.htm - general site
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm - books
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE78.htm - (spiked article by a doctor)
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/502.abstract - Saturated fat, carbohydrate, and cardiovascular disease
http://thrivewithdiabetes.com/doc/Dietary_cholesterol_recommendations.pdf - Revisiting Dietary Cholesterol Recommendations: Does the Evidence Support a Limit of 300 mg/d?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a8119380u1m65617/ - Saturated Fat and Cardiometabolic Risk Factors, Coronary Heart Disease, Stroke, and Diabetes: a Fresh Look at the Evidence
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1742-1241.2009.02136.x/abstract - Dietary cholesterol and the risk of cardiovascular disease in patients: a review of the Harvard Egg Study and other data
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/pdf/brmedj02398-0041.pdf - Corn Oil in Treatment of Ischaemic Heart Disease
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j031q8l38xq1wkr2/ - Reduction of hypercholesterolemia by high-fat diet plus soybean phospholipids
portal to some more stuff: http://www.nmsociety.org/Fat_Research.aspx (this site contains full text studies which normally cost money to view)
http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/Research/Hu 10 SAFA vs CHO CHD Prevention[1].pdf ******* (paste this link, including "[1].pdf")******* - Are refined carbohydrates worse than saturated fat?
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Dietary Fat Quality CHD August 2009.pdf - Dietary Fat Quality and Coronary Heart Disease Prevention: A Unified Theory Based on Evolutionary, Historical, Global, and Modern Perspectives
http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/Images/AboutFat/Siri-Tarino SAFA CVD Risk.pdf - Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
big: http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes...ff Dietary Fat and Coronary Heart Disease.pdf - Dietary Fat and Coronary Heart Disease: Summary of Evidence from Prospective Cohort and Randomised Controlled Trials
good read: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/...ed-fat-and-heart-disease-studies-old-and-new/
88 year old that ate 25 eggs a day: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306
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[COLLAPSE="Causes of these changes:"]
- Lack of exercise
- Switching diets from one revolving around eating vegetables to one revolving around processed meats and white bread.
- Lots of empty calories from sodas.
- Lots of minerals that are good for you being absorbed by sodas (by the way, man-made sodas are TERRIBLE FOR YOU!).
- High sodium from the fries.
- Possibly eating trans-fats.
- Lots of unsaturated fats.
- Loads of processed sugars, such possibly high-fructose corn sugars, from the small meal items.
- Eat whole grains: They taste the same, but are way healthier than white breads, man-made grains, and processed crap!
- A ton of saturated fats
- A good amount of natural sugar (specifically sugars from fruits)
- Loads of natural carbohydrates
- Lots of protein (although we all probably get a healthy dosage of protein).
- 3,000-4,000 calories a day.
- Drink lots of water.
- Have a surplus amount of salt: I do this is because I drink a lot of water, I exercise regularly, and because my heart rate is ridiculously low. I wouldn't suggest this for most of you.
- Stretch multiple times a day (including when I'm not exercising).
- Exercise every part of my body on a regular basis via stretching, strength training, and endurance training.
[COLLAPSE="On a not-so-random side note, here's a few fun things I would like to mention:"]
- Be sure to run, and get a runner's high. It's like heroin, except it's good for you. Trust me, I'm a drug deal-I mean... pharmacist!
- Drink lots of water. A ton. It makes you pee, which gets ride of crap in your body. Drinking a few extra cups of water a day will add years to your life.
- Doing cherry pickers with heavier medicine balls sheds all kinds of "tummy fat" and gets your stomach ripped. Having excess belly fat can cause damage to your organs. I recently started doing this, and I have gotten a pretty ripped stomach since then, while my stomach fat has all but melted away.
- Jump roping is the exercise that loses the most (or one of the most) calories.
- Don't judge your health by your weight. My weight is just over 180 pounds at 6 feet tall. According to the U.S. Department of Health weight-to-height scale, that means I am overweight. However, I am not unhealthy. It's just that 1 pound of muscle takes up a lot less space than 1 pound of fat.
- Judge your health by your resting heart rate at room temperature (under 100 is good), Fat to Muscle Body Mass Index (BMI), how much fat you have on your torso, how wide your waist is (judge it by sex, although if it about as thick as your hips and your hips look healthy, you should be good), how easy or hard it is for you do day-to-day activities (based on strength, endurance, and flexibility), and overall how healthy you "feel."
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Dang Praxis, looking good!
I eat like a fat man and somehow manage to remain around the 160-170 mark.
For example I have had over 30 Mc chicken nuggets at least 3 times this week.
Today I bought the gravy from KFC and dipped them in that.
Best hangover food ever.
I eat like a fat man and somehow manage to remain around the 160-170 mark.
For example I have had over 30 Mc chicken nuggets at least 3 times this week.
Today I bought the gravy from KFC and dipped them in that.
Best hangover food ever.
Sharky
Smash Master
I started this a couple days ago, getting the headaches now. Suddenly realizing just how much sugar/empty carbs I normally go through, kinda scary o.o
ZaXXoR
Smash Journeyman
You should just hit the gym brother.
Lol you say brother so much, do you act like Hulk Hogan IRL?
M@v
Subarashii!
So basically, you don't have to cut the fatty foods out, but the sodas. That the general gist? And its not the fried food thats bad, its the oil its in? That leaves me to ask, how's peanut oil? Same category as canola?
Also for those getting headaches from stopping soda, its from the lack of caffeine, not the sugar lack. You probably had an addition to caffeine. Its not hard to break though. Start off by replacing almost all your soda with diet or zeros, then start cutting them out for water. This way you dont get the headaches, but are off all the sugar, and can slowly transition out of soda all together. I tried going cold turkey on soda once, and got the worst headache ever like 3 days in.
I'm a soda freak, and I've gotten myself down to 1 soda a day, or 1 every 2 days. I haven't lost TOO much weight, but I've definitely noticed a difference.
Also for those getting headaches from stopping soda, its from the lack of caffeine, not the sugar lack. You probably had an addition to caffeine. Its not hard to break though. Start off by replacing almost all your soda with diet or zeros, then start cutting them out for water. This way you dont get the headaches, but are off all the sugar, and can slowly transition out of soda all together. I tried going cold turkey on soda once, and got the worst headache ever like 3 days in.
I'm a soda freak, and I've gotten myself down to 1 soda a day, or 1 every 2 days. I haven't lost TOO much weight, but I've definitely noticed a difference.
I don't think Peanut Oil is anything to worry about. If I had to guess I'd say the rule of thumb is that the "good" oils are the ones made of a source that's generally high in fat %: Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Peanut Oil, Sesame Oil, Pumpkin Seed Oil, Sunflower Oil, Butter, et cetera.
Update guys! Had my cholesterol tested today, excellent across the board.
My results:
Total: 166
HDL: 59
LDL: 96
Cholesterol/HDL ratio: 2.8
Triglycerides: 54
Yesterday I ate eggs, cheese, spinach, mushrooms, garlic, salmon, more cheese (cream cheese, cheddar, and jack), and a metric ton of heavy cream.
The day before I ate mostly eggs, cheese, beef, avocado, bacon, lettuce, and olive oil.
Yeah, peanut oil is the same as canola. It's loaded with omega-6 fats (inflammatory).
Basically, you want to cook with olive oil, coconut oil, hemp oil, butter, or lard. Almost everything else is bad. Especially anything derived from a bean or a grain (Soybean oil, canola oil, peanut oil, margarine, all bad).
It's high glycemic index carbohydrates that make you fat. (sugar, white refined flour, white starches, and to a lesser degree all grains)
It's inflammation that makes you get heart disease. (sugar, omega-6 fats, trans fats, genetics, lack of exercise)
You'd think, but no. Just about anything made from grains or legumes requires a lot of processing and you get a bunch of refined-not-so-good fats out of it. Lots of omega-6 fats.
Olive oil is mostly monounsaturated fats (like avocado), and coconut and I think hemp are all saturated fats with lots of nutrients tied up in them. Butter is also saturated.
My results:
Total: 166
HDL: 59
LDL: 96
Cholesterol/HDL ratio: 2.8
Triglycerides: 54
Yesterday I ate eggs, cheese, spinach, mushrooms, garlic, salmon, more cheese (cream cheese, cheddar, and jack), and a metric ton of heavy cream.
The day before I ate mostly eggs, cheese, beef, avocado, bacon, lettuce, and olive oil.
Well, it's usually both. Like, french fries are fattening starch deep fried in inflammatory (read: bad for your heart/arteries) vegetable oil.
Yeah, peanut oil is the same as canola. It's loaded with omega-6 fats (inflammatory).
Basically, you want to cook with olive oil, coconut oil, hemp oil, butter, or lard. Almost everything else is bad. Especially anything derived from a bean or a grain (Soybean oil, canola oil, peanut oil, margarine, all bad).
It's high glycemic index carbohydrates that make you fat. (sugar, white refined flour, white starches, and to a lesser degree all grains)
It's inflammation that makes you get heart disease. (sugar, omega-6 fats, trans fats, genetics, lack of exercise)
This.
Eliminate sugar anywhere you can.
NopeI don't think Peanut Oil is anything to worry about. If I had to guess I'd say the rule of thumb is that the "good" oils are the ones made of a source that's generally high in fat %: Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Peanut Oil, Sesame Oil, Pumpkin Seed Oil, Sunflower Oil, Butter, et cetera.
You'd think, but no. Just about anything made from grains or legumes requires a lot of processing and you get a bunch of refined-not-so-good fats out of it. Lots of omega-6 fats.Olive oil is mostly monounsaturated fats (like avocado), and coconut and I think hemp are all saturated fats with lots of nutrients tied up in them. Butter is also saturated.
You can virtually SQUEEZE the oil out of things like Peanuts, Sesame or Pumpkin Seeds ... how does this relate to "a lot of processing"?
This thread is awesome. I am in good shape when it comes to weight though as I am almost too skinny as it is. Still, my diet is extremely unhealthy. I eat absolutely no vegetables at all, only a little fruits and meat and bread are the stuff I live with right now. Not cool, I know, I am getting the consequences for it too.
What I'm doing is first removing the bad stuff before starting to add good stuff. First I stopped drinking coffee and now I cut off the soda. I am no longer addicted to caffeine and feel so much better than before.
On topic stuff: So if I got it all correct, I shouldn't really be thinking about how much butter I put on my bread, but the bread itself? If it's not white bread, is it all right to eat then? If not, what do I eat for breakfast instead? Also I never eat vegetables and I am not used to them. Whenever I try to taste them, it makes me want to puke.
What do?
What I'm doing is first removing the bad stuff before starting to add good stuff. First I stopped drinking coffee and now I cut off the soda. I am no longer addicted to caffeine and feel so much better than before.
On topic stuff: So if I got it all correct, I shouldn't really be thinking about how much butter I put on my bread, but the bread itself? If it's not white bread, is it all right to eat then? If not, what do I eat for breakfast instead? Also I never eat vegetables and I am not used to them. Whenever I try to taste them, it makes me want to puke.
What do?
I really like most vegetables, but they aren't terribly hard to make delicious if you don't like them. You can add a lot of flavor to vegetables. Cook green beans or spinach in a frying pan with olive oil and garlic. Put a little sea salt before you eat it.
You can bake cheese on some broccoli.
You can put butter in various kinds of cooked potatoes.
You can add butter and salt to peas. (frozen peas even task good from the microwave).
Peppers onions and tomatoes go good in really any kind of mexican dish (although tortilla shells are generally the bad kind of bread you don't want to eat).
You can bake cheese on some broccoli.
You can put butter in various kinds of cooked potatoes.
You can add butter and salt to peas. (frozen peas even task good from the microwave).
Peppers onions and tomatoes go good in really any kind of mexican dish (although tortilla shells are generally the bad kind of bread you don't want to eat).
Dunno maybe Americans don't really buy their stuff raw or even expect to.You can virtually SQUEEZE the oil out of things like Peanuts, Sesame or Pumpkin Seeds ... how does this relate to "a lot of processing"?
M@v
Subarashii!
Whole wheat is amazing. its not as good as white bread taste wise, but on things such as sandwiches, you can't really notice a difference.
Gee, wish I knew this before I started starving myself. Haha~ Bookmarked. Its a shame how many people are totally in the dark on how to lose weight. Seriously though praxis, you know your **** man! :D
Ehhhh, it would probably better for you if you didn't immediately accept stuff like that as truth and question things first. Just because it worked for him doesn't mean it works for you ... and just because this method works for him doesn't mean there are better / healthier methods for you <_<
Oh my god I'm so glad I saw this.I use to have a crappy diet. 5 sodas a day, tons of Oreos (back when they had trans fats), Sunny D, loads of stuff with nasty man-made processed garbage, etc. I wasn't fat, either. I was athletic as heck, and I was being recruited out of middle school because I was an exception soccer goalie. However, my poor diet eventually gave me internal damage. I had a severely inflamed spleen and my liver literally had fits, and gave me all kinds of issues (I'll spare the gruesome details). This is proof that even being active and exercising doesn't make you "healthy." After all that, I haven't had soda in over 8 years, and I now have a much healthier life style of eating. I avoid trans fat, and empty calories or empty foods/beverages.Thanks to my good exercise and diet habits, I am now healthy as heck. I have a heart rate of 55 beats per minute, I haven't been sick in over two years, all my internal issues no longer exist, I have about 10% body fat (the healthy range I think is 5%-20% depending on your body composition). All my past health issues are a thing of the past!
I'm doing the same exact thing you used to do. This is definitely a wake-up call for me.
I'm really glad I clicked this thread. The OP was very well written.
Any methods healthier then starving yourself. I lived off of almost only liquid for the pass 2 years with only a small meal a day. I've got an amazing physique for it, but my body feels like its gone to **** lately because of the lack of nutrition. I look amaziiiiing, but I don't feel amazing. I feel weak. I need to eat some meaaaat!Ehhhh, it would probably better for you if you didn't immediately accept stuff like that as truth and question things first. Just because it worked for him doesn't mean it works for you ... and just because this method works for him doesn't mean there are better / healthier methods for you <_<
I'm doing this not to lose weight, but to maintain the weight i'm at, while not completely depriving my body. And yea, it might not work for me, but i'll never know til I try. If it doesn't work for me I could just go back to what I did before. Its a lifestyle at this point. A horrible one, but still, its what i'm use too...
M@v
Subarashii!
Yeah my diet (college student) as of recent has mostly been sub sandwiches, with whole wheat buns when the sub shop offers them. Otherwise standard white bread. Usually turkey, chicken, or roast beef. My personal favorite sub so far is Jersey Mikes. Turkey, Roastbeef, bacon, cheese, lettuce tomato, raw onion, and olive oil. Sooooooooooooo good, and the only thing that's not "healthy" is the bacon. I try to do 85-90% water for beverage, and I average 1 soda a day. I've been slipping with the soda recently though and need to slow down again; my goal is to get to 1 soda every 2 days. Otherwise water, or diet soda/coke zero if I'm having a huge crave/something that tastes horrible with water such as pizza.
My other big gripe is I'm still having too much fried food. I've been having fried food ~once every couple days. Need to cut that back to once or twice a week.
Otherwise, on the good parts of my diet.
-I never eat any sweets like cookies or cake or ice cream
-I drink a ton of water, even on days i drink too much soda
-I average 30-40 minutes a walking minimum a day thanks to going to classes on the huge campus known as penn state
-I plan to get back into exercising again once summer hits and I don't have classes to worry about.
Note: this next part is more about weight lifting than losing weight:
If you want to maximize weight lifiting, it requires some diet tweaking. After working out, high protein meals are awesome, and carbs aren't too bad to have. What works well for me after working out is a chipotle burrito with grilled chicken, pinto beans , brown rice, and the hottest sauce. Massive amounts of protein, some carbs, and Hot stuff jump starts metabolism :D
My other big gripe is I'm still having too much fried food. I've been having fried food ~once every couple days. Need to cut that back to once or twice a week.
Otherwise, on the good parts of my diet.
-I never eat any sweets like cookies or cake or ice cream
-I drink a ton of water, even on days i drink too much soda
-I average 30-40 minutes a walking minimum a day thanks to going to classes on the huge campus known as penn state
-I plan to get back into exercising again once summer hits and I don't have classes to worry about.
Note: this next part is more about weight lifting than losing weight:
If you want to maximize weight lifiting, it requires some diet tweaking. After working out, high protein meals are awesome, and carbs aren't too bad to have. What works well for me after working out is a chipotle burrito with grilled chicken, pinto beans , brown rice, and the hottest sauce. Massive amounts of protein, some carbs, and Hot stuff jump starts metabolism :D
M@v
Subarashii!
This. If your working out you might actually gain weight. But this is perfectly fine because your primarily adding more muscle mass, not fat.You guys need to stop confusing "losing weight" and "being healthier". Not everything that makes you lose weight makes you healthier and not everything that makes you gain weight is unhealthy.
DoH
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For those of you who cut out legumes like peanuts but still like the taste, sautee broccoli in olive oil with garlic powder and red pepper flakes.