Q&A "Everyone Look At Me!" The Marth Video Critique Thread.

[Metal Reeper]

New metagame? Wha?
All that's the latest is crouch-cancelling Fox's nair at an early percent to shieldgrab.

Why would you shieldgrab? I think you ment grab?

 

[Dart!]

way to be modest
i don't think i'm that good

I'll get there, sometime.
Going to pound V just confirmed today...hell yeah.

 

[Hellsinglover999]

hopefully i can get some videos up for critique i had a few matches recorded yesterday at a smashfest but i was kinda playing bad

 

[Niko45]

Tai let the lasers hit you. You're shielding lasers and doing full hop fairs from too far away. Even if you were to powershield from that distance you wouldn't get a frame advantage on an approach. You're forfeiting options without threatening him. Use dash attack/dash away grab instantly out of laser stun more imo. Or if he just spams lasers in place just let lasers hit you as you walk towards him until you are pressuring his space and forcing him to do something you can react to. By shielding from that distance it just narrows down what he has to prepare for and puts him in a better position to counter whatever you do.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i thought yu quit smashboards

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Why would you shieldgrab? I think you ment grab?

By shieldgrab I meant hold shield and spam A to grab after the CC instead of accidentally dtilting bc you pressed z while crouching. It's one way to grab if you tend to hold down/not have to release down as fast.

 

[Niko45]

i thought yu quit smashboards

trying to .

 

[KirbyKaze]

But if Niko leaves the boards who will I flirt with?

Oh right Cactuar duh lololol

 

[Palpi]

By shieldgrab I meant hold shield and spam A to grab after the CC instead of accidentally dtilting bc you pressed z while crouching. It's one way to grab if you tend to hold down/not have to release down as fast.

Couldn't you also JC your grabs in place?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

spamming A is more reliable

even tho i still do JC grab

 

[AceDudeyeah]

You could. I've been trying not JC unless a JC grab is absolutely necessary(ex: out of a dash towards a falling fox) so I don't get in the habit of hitting jump before every grab. I hate it when I try to grab someone who just landed behind me but didn't turn around because I JC it instead of turning and grabbing. ><


I'd actually like some newbs to come in asking for help, aka this thread's purpose! haha

 

[Seagull Joe]

I'm gonna start practicing more and especially with my friend Chris who goes to Umcp. Smashers probably know him as CTL from whoever knows Chris.
Round 1-5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RczJ2vLWvzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGuUQzYFCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3a6NsZY8bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDY1Q8eRmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4nvXbozn6k

Usually when I upload vids they don't take this long, but I just got a new computer and the matches I recorded were in Avi format (I forgot to switch to MPEG 1/2) and past 15 minutes. For some reason I could upload things 15 minutes and longer before, but not on my new computer. I found that weird. So I just split the 5 matches up using Windows Movie Maker. I wish Melee had a save replay function lmao.

How does one easily JC Grab in Melee? I usually set my L to jump in brawl and JC Usmash Out of shield or Jumpshine or Full hop laser with Wolf.

I still gotta train for brawl for pound 5, but I'll try to play a little Melee friendlies too (Obviously not entering Melee teams/singles).

 

[OverLord]

You Nair way too much.

 

[Seagull Joe]

You Nair way too much.

Is that bad?

 

[Palpi]

Nair isn't as safe as it looks. Doing a fast fall fair is much safer and it also leaves more options because you don't have to commit to the nair as early. I actually like the way TAI uses nair.

 

[Tee ay eye]

mind elaborating on that?

fair vs nair is something i think about a decent bit, and i can't express in words what situations i would use one and when i would use the other.

if i were to pull an explanation out of my *** about how to space them....

i'd say that fair has a more simple and predictable timing, but it has a lot more coverage and it's easier to use and a little better for like, swatting people away

and nair is sorta hard to get between, but way easier to get around/over/under. also, the fact that you can autocancel it is pretty cool sometimes, and 1 nair covers an entire shorthop, while a fair only covers like, half.

so i guess, if you want your aerial to last a long time/multihit (on shields, or if they're waiting to find a timing window to **** you or something), use nair, if you want something quick and safe-ish, use fair.

and if your opponent is a bad person and tries to get under/crouch cancel your aerials, shield, grab, dair, or use ground attacks. or you can try to play the spacing/timing game and hit with a tipper fair, but you have to get a tipper or they'll CC it.

 

[Niko45]

Nair also seems to be one of Marth's best shield poking moves so if I get somebody shielding on the edge of a platform or something I'll usually try to nair them from underneath.

 

[Palpi]

People tend to angle shields down against marth so I jump and poke their heads with nair sometimes.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Well I started playing my brother more today and incorporated more Fair. I like using Young Link, Doctor Mario, and Luigi too.

 

[DondonSF]

so im tryin to work on my marth more and I want to know if I can get some advice on some of the things I should and shouldn't be doin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ik5GE6rTZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsJAuUy9puE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3-Ookn9e1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlGk6y2tLUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hRAqHJDGA

any input would help.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

so im tryin to work on my marth more and I want to know if I can get some advice on some of the things I should and shouldn't be doin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ik5GE6rTZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsJAuUy9puE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3-Ookn9e1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlGk6y2tLUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hRAqHJDGA

any input would help.

Quick input: stop playing above Marth. When cornered, don't try to waveland above him on platform. That works on a lot of characters, but never against Marth. Stop jumping up and around him and figure out a way to land. Be more comfortable with your dash dance/ground game. Crouch cancel and stuff. Think more in between stocks; look at your options during his invincibility.

Rewatch the matches with that in mind and see what you could have done differently. Especially look at your tendency to try to jump over and around Marth.

 

[Dart!]

Hopefully crimson myself and other marths can get in some good marth dittos to show people what we mean. Im so damn excited to meet you guys, im also curious to know what made you pick marth. But dont answer my question til we meet in person, i wanna chill with you guys as long as possible

 

[DondonSF]

Quick input: stop playing above Marth. When cornered, don't try to waveland above him on platform. That works on a lot of characters, but never against Marth. Stop jumping up and around him and figure out a way to land. Be more comfortable with your dash dance/ground game. Crouch cancel and stuff. Think more in between stocks; look at your options during his invincibility.

Rewatch the matches with that in mind and see what you could have done differently. Especially look at your tendency to try to jump over and around Marth.

I see I picked up a lot of bad habits from Fox and Falco,I'll work on what you pointed out.thanks for the help Crimson.

 

[Dart!]

I think we should talk about the marth ganon matchup some more. i'm curious to hear opinions, facts/ frame data on this.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Sveet and I are arguing about it in the other thread.

 

[Metal Reeper]

I really need to record more and throw up some Marth vids for yall to get hard over.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I really need to record more and throw up some Marth vids for yall to get hard over.

Sounds like my usual saturday night

 

[Palpi]

bobby, lets go back and forth....you go falco against my marth and then ill go falco against your marth so we can get sick footage.

 

[Metal Reeper]

bobby, lets go back and forth....you go falco against my marth and then ill go falco against your marth so we can get sick footage.

I would actually really like that. I think im never gonna have 1 main, just tons of good chracters just incase.

 

[Palpi]

I hate marth now. I never feel "right" when I use him. Fox seems so much more fluent as a character with me.

 

[edgeluca]

I would actually really like that. I think im never gonna have 1 main, just tons of good chracters just incase.

I just have 2 mains: Marth and Sheik.
I can also use Fox, Falcon, Samus and Falco well.

 

[Palpi]

Right now, it seems like Fox is my best, then Sheik and marth are right under that. I legitimately don't like playing marth anymore.

 

[Tee ay eye]

no one is stopping you from quitting marth

 

[Palpi]

Haha, I know. I just don't know what happened. 1 month ago, he was easily my best character and everything went well, then it all just went to ****.

 

[edgeluca]

What's the problem with him?

 

[Metal Reeper]

Right my Falcon is my best? (Everyone says that but I don't believe it)

I realized my fox is still ***. My Falco is meh.

I think my Marth is my best....but I lose against decent spacies

 

[Palpi]

Bobby, next time you come over it will just be us 2 so we can get all the match up practice.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Bobby, next time you come over it will just be us 2 so we can get all the match up practice.

I love me and you cause we have like 10 possible mains so we can get in alot of practice. Do you have a peach? I REALLY need peach practice.

 

[Palpi]

My peach is okay... I need to space better with her...I just get baited too much when I am peach

We can definitely get like, falco, fox, marth, sheik, falcon, ganon practice though

 

[Metal Reeper]

My peach is okay... I need to space better with her...I just get baited too much when I am peach

We can definitely get like, falco, fox, marth, sheik, falcon, ganon practice though

Read some Peach vs Marth MU I am gonna start trying my hardest when I play, and I hope that everyone else around us will also. I reallllllly need to play your falco. And Maybe your sheik vs my marth....we need to write this down lmao.

**** your Gaynon lol.